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Why are birth rates much higher among non-whites than
bloody spaniard Offline
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they are among whites? (serious question)

Is it because of whites' careers, financial consideration, inability to sacrifice for children...? But aren't non-whites capable of same? Do non-whites (AND poverty stricken whites such as the Appalachian) rely on higher birth numbers in order to replace lost "manpower" due to disease, war, and poor nutrition? Is procreation more of a priority due to fewer recreational options than those available to the wealthier and the resulting births just an incidental product?

It is said that white Europeans are not having enough children to replace themselves and are in the advent of a "native/indigenous shortage" & will have to rely on Third World immigrants to maintain basic services in the near future. The same can be said of white Americans who will be the minority in 10- 15 years.

Serious, non-inflammatory discourse (if possible) please.
daveincincy Offline
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be fruitful and multiply...some take it a little too serious. Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
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Don't be afraid to post. Scared The pc police won't get ya. Anxious The worst that can happen is that the thread will be reported & pulled. Sneaky
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Is it because of whites' careers, financial consideration, inability to sacrifice for children...?


Yes
Careers...are becoming priority
Financial consideration...Need to have $X in bank, retirement, home, etc before having kids (how much is enough?)
Inability to sacrifice...selfishness, it's about my needs...and/or I make plenty of sacrifices...I drive them all around town to play sports.

bloody spaniard wrote:
But aren't non-whites capable of same?


Yes...if they are raised/taught/encouraged to believe in themselves and work hard (by example). But for the most part, it's a generational thing...kids raising kids and not seeing it (hard work, sacrifice) themselves.


I don't have an opinion on the other stuff you mention...other than sex has become a favorite past-time of teens these days. Getting pregnant is just part of the fun...and you might get a shot at being on a reality, teen mom, show if you're lucky.
dstieger Offline
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daveincincy wrote:
be fruitful and multiply...some take it a little too serious. Mellow


They aren't mutually exclusive?
z6joker9 Offline
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You covered a lot of it I believe. Raising children is a HUGE expenditure of time and resources. A lot of people are just deciding against it, probably because of the increase in things to do/ways of feeling self-fulfilled/new opportunities for women. It seems to be more prevalent as income goes up, so I'm not sure it's separated by race specifically. For example, the more modern Asian countries are also facing a shortage, in some cases worst than the West (which is helping drive the robotics industry there btw). The difference between white and other races might be correlation due to income disparities. Less money=less opportunity to do anything other than have children, combined with help from government programs that encourage child raising since we depend on an ever-increasing supply of workers to fund social security.

The income disparities might even be worsened by the decision of each camp to either have more kids or not, furthering the birth rate disparities.

EDIT: this is off the cuff thoughts on the matter; some of my info could definitely be wrong.
dstieger Offline
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Careful with correlation discussions that ignore a butt-ton of variables. Challenge your assumptions? What are the assumptions?

Are there any other common denominators? Religion? 'Social standing'? Geography? Divorce rates? Education factors - at home, teachers, quality of schools.... Access to health care? Pregnancy prevention education, contraception, etc.? Differing media influences?


Oh...and good luck keeping things less than flammatory.
bloody spaniard Offline
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dstieger wrote:
They aren't mutually exclusive?


Not in agrarian societies where every available hand is needed for crops and care of young & elders.
dstieger Offline
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I meant being a fruit and procreation
bloody spaniard Offline
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z6joker9 wrote:
You covered a lot of it I believe. Raising children is a HUGE expenditure of time and resources. A lot of people are just deciding against it, probably because of the increase in things to do/ways of feeling self-fulfilled/new opportunities for women. It seems to be more prevalent as income goes up, so I'm not sure it's separated by race specifically. For example, the more modern Asian countries are also facing a shortage, in some cases worst than the West (which is helping drive the robotics industry there btw). The difference between white and other races might be correlation due to income disparities. Less money=less opportunity to do anything other than have children, combined with help from government programs that encourage child raising since we depend on an ever-increasing supply of workers to fund social security.

The income disparities might even be worsened by the decision of each camp to either have more kids or not, furthering the birth rate disparities.



Yes, I was thinking of Japan, Singapore, and China where affluent lifestyles & burgeoning middle classes plus Government enforcement dictates fewer progeny. But the less developed parts of Asia tend to have huge families & even export manpower such as the Philippines.


The irony is that India + China account for about 1/3 of the world's population and yet they have aggressive birth control.
bloody spaniard Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I meant being a fruit and procreation



racistphobe (or something like that)! LOL
surfish1961 Offline
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Because they (whites) can't afford to have children. Just my opinion.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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C'mon...gather 'round...bring it on in...c'mon...make yer buddy smile...always room for more...we'll be popping popcorn soon...c'mon...the show is about to start...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8
dstieger Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Yes, I was thinking of Japan, Singapore, and China where affluent lifestyles & burgeoning middle classes plus Government enforcement dictates fewer progeny. But the less developed parts of Asia tend to have huge families & even export manpower such as the Philippines.


The irony is that India + China account for about 1/3 of the world's population and yet they have aggressive birth control.



What percentage of the Indian and Chinese populations are Catholic?


I'm not just a homophobe and a racistphobe. I'm also a religiphobe.
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dstieger wrote:
What percentage of the Indian and Chinese populations are Catholic?


I'm not just a homophobe and a racistphobe. I'm also a religiphobe.



That's a whole lotta phobin' goin on!
HockeyDad Offline
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Planned Parenthood is failing.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Planned Parenthood is failing.



Passing out rubbers and abortions isn't really much of a plan...jus' sayin'...Brick wall
teedubbya Offline
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I blame supersperm and larger deeks
jetblasted Offline
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I blame that bra-burning Gloria Steinem !! fog
z6joker9 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Passing out rubbers and abortions isn't really much of a plan...jus' sayin'...Brick wall


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57568695/teen-birth-rates-hit-historic-low-in-u.s/

The number of unplanned + planned pregnancies will never be lower than the number of planned pregnancies alone. Planned parenthood reduces the number of unplanned pregnancies/births. They don't really encourage general parenthood so much as they help prevent unplanned parenthood.
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A liberated woman is one who has sex before marriage and a job after. - Gloria Steinem

A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. - Gloria Steinem

If women have young children, they are one man away from welfare. - Gloria Steinem

In my own mind, I am still a fat brunette from Toledo. - Gloria Steinem




lgops Offline
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Gloria Steinem is a dumbazz - LGoPs
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In my experience it all has to do with our personal quests for the betterment of our lives. In other words settling down and children go hand in hand, one tends to cause the other.

A few of my childhood friends had children in high school or immediately after. - Never get to start the journey for themselves
Most then went on to college/military and only 1-2, military not college, came back with children. - Working towards something more is a good birth control
Those who didn't go had children at a younger age, and had more children. - Finding your groove in life is not
After college some worked aggressively for more, others found comfort quickly, and are starting to have children. - See the pattern?

Now this is just my experience with my friends and in not necessarily representative of the nation, or world as a whole. However it does seem to be the major contributing factor regardless of race. If you relate it to racial, financial, etc. lines I would imagine that it would all come down to when people in each group tend to settle down.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Very interesting post, sr.
The industrialized world tends to have better educated folks who put off having children until they are "ready". Then, they tend to have fewer kids- not enough to replace themselves. I've seen this pattern among friends of ALL races but they are predominantly white.

That being said, despite being the majority at the moment, there are not as many white births from "uneducated" folks as there are from the "uneducated" non-whites in the USA/Europe these days.
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I asked by buddy Tyrone about this. He told me;
"It's cause ya'll got short junk."

I'm still trying to figure out what he ment . . .
bloody spaniard Offline
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Brewha wrote:
I asked by buddy Tyrone about this. He told me;
"It's cause ya'll got short junk."
I'm still trying to figure out what he ment . . .



Poor Tyrone. Gifted in some areas. Short shrift in others.Anxious
wheelrite Offline
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My Broad is 1/2 Cherokee,,,

she is usually horny,,,
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Brewha wrote:
I asked by buddy Tyrone about this. He told me;
"It's cause ya'll got short junk."

I'm still trying to figure out what he ment . . .



Uh...yeah...I try not to even stop for gasoline when I'm near Georgetown.

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DMV, I'm aware of the Georgetown history on here, but I will to admit that I was in Georgetown 3 of the last 4 weekends and there are a chitload of gorgeous women in Georgetown. And while there's certainly a yuppyish vibe, I wouldn't have called it overly gayish. There are certainly a couple of local districts that meet that description - but, Georgetown doesn't seem to be one of them. Not asking you to come down and look for yourself....just out trying to right injustices where I can...without smileys
HockeyDad Offline
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The gorgeous women were safe there.
bloody spaniard Offline
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(threadjackin' my own thread)


Back in the day (70-80's), Georgetown and the M Street (til it intersected with K St.) corridor were the places to meet LOTS of professional women (business not streetwalkers). The Georgetown area was geared more for shopping and restaurants but it also had it's share of bars + plenty of beautiful/fun coeds from Georgetown, GW, and American University.

If one wanted hairy/smelly ass, Georgetown had a few holes in the walls (lol) but you usually went to Dupont Circle which was a handful of blocks east of Georgetown or to the GREAT gay dance bars near the water in Southwest DC. I know because I took dates (girls) dancing there.

(threadjack off)
JadeRose Offline
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Poor people **** more
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bloody spaniard wrote:
(threadjackin' my own thread)


Back in the day (70-80's), Georgetown and the M Street (til it intersected with K St.) corridor were the places to meet LOTS of professional women (business not streetwalkers). The Georgetown area was geared more for shopping and restaurants but it also had it's share of bars + plenty of beautiful/fun coeds from Georgetown, GW, and American University.

If one wanted hairy/smelly ass, Georgetown had a few holes in the walls (lol) but you usually went to Dupont Circle which was a handful of blocks east of Georgetown or to the GREAT gay dance bars near the water in Southwest DC. I know because I took dates (rugby players) dancing there.

(threadjack off)









Ick
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bloody spaniard wrote:
(threadjackin' my own thread)


Back in the day (70-80's), Georgetown and the M Street (til it intersected with K St.) corridor were the places to meet LOTS of professional women (business not streetwalkers). The Georgetown area was geared more for shopping and restaurants but it also had it's share of bars + plenty of beautiful/fun coeds from Georgetown, GW, and American University.

If one wanted hairy/smelly ass, Georgetown had a few holes in the walls (lol) but you usually went to Dupont Circle which was a handful of blocks east of Georgetown or to the GREAT gay dance bars near the water in Southwest DC. I know because I took dates (girls) dancing there.

(threadjack off)

Uh, Bloody - you're scaring the homophobic members of the forum . . . .
bloody spaniard Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Uh, Bloody - you're scaring the homophobic members of the forum . . . .



LOL! Brother Brew, I'm convinced the botl would have enjoyed themselves immensely at Tracks & Crossroads among others if they gave them a chance. The music & decor were great fun and the folks (all sexes) were very hospitable and mostly gay, er, happy. lol Memories I won't soon forget.
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Brewha wrote:
Uh, Bloody - you're scaring the homophobic members of the forum . . . .



Clearly Bloody Spaniard had immunity to the gay-homo virus.

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dstieger wrote:
DMV, I'm aware of the Georgetown history on here, but I will to admit that I was in Georgetown 3 of the last 4 weekends and there are a chitload of gorgeous women in Georgetown. And while there's certainly a yuppyish vibe, I wouldn't have called it overly gayish. There are certainly a couple of local districts that meet that description - but, Georgetown doesn't seem to be one of them. Not asking you to come down and look for yourself....just out trying to right injustices where I can...without smileys




Kid yourself all you want...they were phag hagging or post op.
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BS, the issue is that children in developed countries simply cost a lot of money and middle class families know that and do what they can to manage the size of their families. Now while middle class families "tend" to be predominantly white, they aren't always so. You mentioned a number of sub-classes like the poor whites, religious families, etc. who might have lots of children for other reasons but these are clearly in the minority from a US population perspective.

Other contributing factors are that poor people have limited access to birth control, plus as Jade Rose put it they have limited resources so presumably they entertain themselves by having sex more often (not statistically valid BTW but it makes sense). Historically speaking though, the poorer you are (regardless of race), the more children you have.
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
Other contributing factors are that poor people have limited access to birth control, plus as Jade Rose put it they have limited resources so presumably they entertain themselves by having sex more often (not statistically valid BTW but it makes sense). Historically speaking though, the poorer you are (regardless of race), the more children you have.




Ok...we'll have a matinee today too!


DrMaddVibe wrote:
C'mon...gather 'round...bring it on in...c'mon...make yer buddy smile...always room for more...we'll be popping popcorn soon...c'mon...the show is about to start...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

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Just for the record, my IQ is 148, I have two kids, and my sperm count is JUST FINE!!!
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I think (but don't have any data to prove) that it is more of an educational/income divide than a racial divide.
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SMGBobbyScott wrote:
Just for the record, my IQ is 148, I have two kids, and my sperm count is JUST FINE!!!


Think
How do we know that for sure? You could be a Croatian queer living with goats who keeps an Oxford educated Slovinian, english interpreter in a box under his bed.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Think
How do we know that for sure? You could be a Croatian queer living with goats who keeps an Oxford educated Slovinian, english interpreter in a box under his bed.


HOW DID YOU FIGURE ME OUT!
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Buckwheat wrote:
I think (but don't have any data to prove) that it is more of an educational/income divide than a racial divide.



That data is readily available from just about every developed country that collects it...I'm just too lazy to tabulate it!
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Buckwheat wrote:
I think (but don't have any data to prove) that it is more of an educational/income divide than a racial divide.



But when you say racial...it invokes colors...and that means the whole damn palette is on the table to discuss...then it comes down to finishes!Frying pan
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