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DrafterX Offline
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100 entertainers ask Obama to change drug, jail policy
Published April 09, 2013
Associated Press

Actress Scarlett Johansson addresses delegates during the final session of the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina September 6, 2012. (Reuters)

Lil Wayne, Ron Howard, Scarlett Johansson and Kim Kardashian are all on the same page when it comes to criminal justice reform.

They're among more than 100 entertainers calling on President Barack Obama to focus on changing drug laws. Rap mogul Russell Simmons helped assemble the coalition of celebrities and civil rights leaders that presented a letter to the president on Tuesday.

The group praises the president's efforts toward drug incarceration reform but insists "the time is right" to move toward replacing jail sentences with intervention and rehabilitation for non-violent offenders. The starry group, which also includes Jennifer Hudson, Nicki Minaj, Susan Sarandon and Will Smith, also asks Obama to form a panel to handle clemency requests and to support a measure that allows judges to waive mandatory minimum sentences.

"It is critical that we change both the way we think about drug laws in this country and how we generate positive solutions that leave a lasting impact on rebuilding our communities," Simmons said, citing Department of Justice data that shows that the United States jails more of its citizens than any other country in the world.

Drug offenders comprise nearly half the federal prison population in the U.S.



Film at 11..... Mellow






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DrafterX wrote:
asks Obama to form a panel to handle clemency requests and to support a measure that allows judges to waive mandatory minimum sentences.




How much will this cost..?? Think


and not just the panel..... how much do you have to pay da judge....?? Think
cacman Offline
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So we're supposed to be impressed a bunch of over-paid millionaires lead by a Rap mogul are seeking change in drug incarcerations??
Did Lindsay Lohan or Snoop Dog get busted again?? And what exactly does Russel Simmons rap music promote? What makes him a respectable person to lead this coalition?
I find the whole thing hypocritical as these celebrities don't do the same jail-time as the rest of us anyway.
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I feel Outraged.... Mellow


poor Pedro on his 10 speed will do 10 years for a rock that will get Lindsay a ticket if it's up to da judge... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
How much will this cost..?? Think


and not just the panel..... how much do you have to pay da judge....?? Think


I'm sure a few extra "donations" to the Democratic party will help move things along.
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How about we focus on the uhm, oooh, ahhhh, what is it? Oh yes, the ECONOMY?
Ok, Hollywood douchebags?Frying pan
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Now that states are legalizing marijuana....NOW is the time to move...because now, of course, everyone is ok with it. I guess we're all ok with selling abortion pills to anyone who wants one too sooo.... Mellow
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Think
CBid should gather signatures demanding Obama fix the economy.... ya, that should do the trick.. ThumpUp
dubleuhb Offline
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All drug users should be incarcerated, especially the potheads.
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
CBid should gather signatures demanding Obama fix the economy.... ya, that should do the trick.. ThumpUp


I think you can request/petition whatever you want on the Whitehouse.gov site. If you get enough people to sign it the President has to look at it...at least that's what I heard on Tosh.O.


http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/daniel-tosh-petitions-white-house-fail/
Tosh's petitions called for a merging of North Dakota and South Dakota into one state, an elimination of most forms of currency and butterscotch candies, an automatic grant of U.S. citizenship to any Mexican who can make a killer fish taco, a demand that Bed Bath & Beyond stores mark down their merchandise, and a demand that comedian Dave Chappelle return to television.



bloody spaniard Offline
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Speaking of making legal, anyone ever think that by the time Cuban cigars are made legal again, President Hillary may have outlawed smoking?
Laugh
DrafterX Offline
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is that an attempt to thread-jack..?? Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
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Well... we're still talking about smoking, right?Anxious

LOL!
bloody spaniard Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
CBid should gather signatures demanding Obama fix the economy.... ya, that should do the trick.. ThumpUp



If Obama had listened to cbidders, he would have resigned too.
Nahhh, 7,000 posters (give or take 6,500) mean nothing to the great one.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Well... we're still talking about smoking, right?Anxious

LOL!




ya but the Celebs still want to be able to mainline... Jab.... puff da dragon... Jack-up... pharm.. go on a trip off your face and stuff.... Mellow
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bloody spaniard wrote:
How about we focus on the uhm, oooh, ahhhh, what is it? Oh yes, the ECONOMY?
Ok, Hollywood douchebags?Frying pan



Hemp could save the economy, duuuuuuuuude!
teedubbya Offline
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I'm with William F. Buckley on this, even though most of you jackalopes are probably more in line with A. Wilford Brimley
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borndead1 wrote:
Hemp could save the economy, duuuuuuuuude!


a new approach most certainly could have an impact on the economy.
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dubleuhb wrote:
All drug users should be incarcerated, especially the potheads.


Why because you said so? How is pot anymore dangerous than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths and social problems than pot is. I just don't understand how people can defend their states going bankrupt by incarcerating people for a victimless crime when pot could easily be legalized and turned into a source of revenue for the state via taxation.
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I for one think potts should be banned but not incarcerated
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You are complaining about how much this panel will cost. Didn't you read what you wrote? Half the federal prison population is drug offenders. If 20 of those offenders were non-violent, and otherwise decent people that could be released, you could cover the cost of the panel. The U.S. has something like 7 times the incarceration rate of Europe. Is that because we have a much higher percentage of offenders that deserve to be in prison? I think not.

Money is a terrible argument against this.

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stogiefan wrote:
Why because you said so? How is pot anymore dangerous than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths and social problems than pot is. I just don't understand how people can defend their states going bankrupt by incarcerating people for a victimless crime when pot could easily be legalized and turned into a source of revenue for the state via taxation.

Yes, because I said so. d'oh!

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kyman84 wrote:
You are complaining about how much this panel will cost. Didn't you read what you wrote? Half the federal prison population is drug offenders. If 20 of those offenders were non-violent, and otherwise decent people that could be released, you could cover the cost of the panel. The U.S. has something like 7 times the incarceration rate of Europe. Is that because we have a much higher percentage of offenders that deserve to be in prison? I think not.

Money is a terrible argument against this.




what I meant was like bribe money and stuff... but after I posted I reread and it sounded funny but I didn't feel like fixing it... Mellow
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Ever since first saw opening seconds of Lost in Translation, I decided I'd follow Scarlett anywhere.....right up until the Sarandon part, anyway. That'll take the starch out of your shirts.
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stogiefan wrote:
Why because you said so? How is pot anymore dangerous than alcohol? Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths and social problems than pot is. I just don't understand how people can defend their states going bankrupt by incarcerating people for a victimless crime when pot could easily be legalized and turned into a source of revenue for the state via taxation.




Big government new taxation always works out well.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Big government new taxation always works out well.


In a perfect world I would say no more taxes but states are hurting right now because of all the unfunded mandates by the Federal government. I'd love to go in and shut down all these mandates but realistically thats just not possible. I'd rather see the government get revenue in the form of sales taxes as opposed to income taxes. That way the individual has some choice in the matter. They can choose not to buy certain taxable items whereas the income tax cannot be lawfully circumvented.
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Once we start legalizing gateway drugs just to try to squeeze out tax revenue, the USA is done.
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I want my free Obamapot..!! Mad
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HockeyDad wrote:
Once we start legalizing gateway drugs just to try to squeeze out tax revenue, the USA is done.

Pot is no more of a gateway drug than alcohol is. Alcohol and prescription painkillers are much more of an addiction problem in the US.
dubleuhb Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I want my free Obamapot..!! Mad

How about an obamabong ?
teedubbya Offline
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"Conservatives pride themselves on resisting change, which is as it should be. But intelligent deference to tradition and stability can evolve into intellectual sloth and moral fanaticism, as when conservatives simply decline to look up from dogma because the effort to raise their heads and reconsider is too great. The laws aren't exactly indefensible, because practically nothing is, and the thunderers who tell us to stay the course can always find one man or woman who, having taken marijuana, moved on to severe mental disorder. But that argument, to quote myself, is on the order of saying that every rapist began by masturbating. General rules based on individual victims are unwise. And although there is a perfectly respectable case against using marijuana, the penalties imposed on those who reject that case, or who give way to weakness of resolution, are very difficult to defend. If all our laws were paradigmatic, imagine what we would do to anyone caught lighting a cigarette, or drinking a beer. Or — exulting in life in the paradigm — committing adultery. Send them all to Guantanamo?

Legal practices should be informed by realities. These are enlightening, in the matter of marijuana. There are approximately 700,000 marijuana-related arrests made very year. Most of these — 87 percent — involve nothing more than mere possession of small amounts of marijuana. This exercise in scrupulosity costs us $10-15 billion per year in direct expenditures alone. Most transgressors caught using marijuana aren't packed away to jail, but some are, and in Alabama, if you are convicted three times of marijuana possession, they'll lock you up for 15 years to life. Professor Ethan Nadelmann, of the Drug Policy Alliance, writing in National Review, estimates at 100,000 the number of Americans currently behind bars for one or another marijuana offense.

What we face is the politician's fear of endorsing any change in existing marijuana laws. You can imagine what a call for reform in those laws would do to an upward mobile political figure. Gary Johnson, governor of New Mexico, came out in favor of legalization — and went on to private life. George Shultz, former secretary of state, long ago called for legalization, but he was not running for office, and at his age, and with his distinctions, he is immune to slurred charges of indifference to the fate of children and humankind. But Kurt Schmoke, mayor of Baltimore, did it, and survived a reelection challenge.

But the stodgy inertia most politicians feel is up against a creeping reality. It is that marijuana for medical relief is a movement which is attracting voters who are pretty assertive on the subject. Every state ballot initiative to legalize medical marijuana has been approved, often by wide margins. Of course we have here collisions of federal and state authority. Federal authority technically supervenes state laws, but federal authority in the matter is being challenged on grounds of medical self-government. It simply isn't so that there are substitutes equally efficacious. Richard Brookhiser, the widely respected author and editor, has written on the subject for The New York Observer. He had a bout of cancer and found relief from chemotherapy only in marijuana — which he consumed, and discarded after the affliction was gone.

The court has told federal enforcers that they are not to impose their way between doctors and their patients, and one bill sitting about in Congress would even deny the use of federal funds for prosecuting medical marijuana use. Critics of reform do make a pretty plausible case when they say that whatever is said about using marijuana only for medical relief masks what the advocates are really after, which is legal marijuana for whoever wants it.

That would be different from the situation today. Today we have illegal marijuana for whoever wants it. An estimated 100 million Americans have smoked marijuana at least once, the great majority, abandoning its use after a few highs. But to stop using it does not close off its availability. A Boston commentator observed years ago that it is easier for an 18-year old to get marijuana in Cambridge than to get beer. Vendors who sell beer to minors can forfeit their valuable licenses. It requires less effort for the college student to find marijuana than for a sailor to find a brothel. Still, there is the danger of arrest (as 700,000 people a year will tell you), of possible imprisonment, of blemish on one's record. The obverse of this is increased cynicism about the law.

We're not going to find someone running for president who advocates reform of those laws. What is required is a genuine republican groundswell. It is happening, but ever so gradually. Two of every five Americans, according to a 2003 Zogby poll cited by Dr. Nadelmann, believe "the government should treat marijuana more or less the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and make it illegal only for children."

Such reforms would hugely increase the use of the drug? Why? It is de facto legal in the Netherlands, and the percentage of users there is the same as here. The Dutch do odd things, but here they teach us a lesson."

from about 10 years ago before the big o was in the hizzy
HockeyDad Offline
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^like any pothead would have the attention span to read that

I love it when Americans push articles that say to act more like Europeans.
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I didn't read it I'm a lazy American so I appreciate the cliff notes LHD.

Basically TW posted a reverse JPotts?
HockeyDad Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
lazy American


That is pretty much redundant!

Later TW will post another article that is opposed to his currently posted article.
ZRX1200 Offline
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He has a reputation to maintain.


And god knows what a jealous bitch that fencepost can be.
HockeyDad Offline
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Nobody puts fencepost in a corner.
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That's me in the corner...
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion....
Trying to keep up with you..
And I don't know if I can do it..
Oh no, I've said too much
I haven't said enough.... Whistle Whistle Whistle
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HockeyDad wrote:
Nobody puts fencepost in a corner.



Youve never built a fence. (must have hired it done... rich bassard)
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That was from William F. Buckley. I am totally for legalizing pot although I am also against it.
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teedubbya wrote:
Youve never built a fence. (must have hired it done... rich bassard)



a corner post is usually called a cornerpost and is bigger than the average fencepost... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
a corner post is usually called a cornerpost and is bigger than the average fencepost... Mellow


it is a subset of all fenceposts. ie you may use 100 fenceposts and 4 may be corner posts which now days may just mean putting a cap on top

never argue with a fencepost they may pop a cap in your ass
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forgot you was a city folk.... I was talking about real fences... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
forgot you was a city folk.... I was talking about real fences... Mellow


sounds like you are the real fencepost expert
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not an expert... but I've seen some nice ones... Mellow
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Thank you.
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daveincincy wrote:
Now that states are legalizing marijuana....NOW is the time to move...because now, of course, everyone is ok with it. I guess we're all ok with selling abortion pills to anyone who wants one too so.... Mellow


That's a pretty slick segue there: Marijuana transformed all the way to abortion pills.
Brilliant!
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Number One Cash Crop in the U.S. Bigger then wheat, corn or soy. Never mind the likely tax windfall in the matter.

Why are the "conservative" control freaks still in denial? Is it Ignorance? Stupidity? Fear of change? Afraid they will get addicted? Afraid they might like it? I think if most of them took a couple good tokes now and then with some "liberals", this country would have the socio-political division in discourse that is ruining things before our eyes.

Heard on TV today that approximately as many Americans take a toke at the end of the day as people who have a drink.

20+ years ago, when I worked as a prosecutor intern, we all hated the marijuana-related prosecutions. We saw alcohol 10-20x more often as part of crime, including domestic and social violence. Our jobs were "to do justice", but we had to ignore marijuana law at times to accomplish that. BTW, I never heard of a single damn case where some guy smoked pot and beat his woman to a raw pulp.

And, if it were legal, I wouldn't smoke it anymore than I do now, which is little to none on the whole. I wouldn't have to worry about breaking the law; and would have a much better selection at a lower price.

What's the problem here worth all the time and money?
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Why do people like Soros want people high?

Two reasons:

Control (stoned/self interest/addicts)

Control (cannot own a gun)


I personally think it should be legal but I don't like it.
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rfenst wrote:
Why are the "conservative" control freaks still in denial? Is it Ignorance? Stupidity? Fear of change? Afraid they will get addicted? Afraid they might like it? I think if most of them took a couple good tokes now and then with some "liberals", this country would have the socio-political division in discourse that is ruining things before our eyes.

They are worried about reefer madness and the obesity that comes with large sugary drinks used to quench cotton-mouth.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Why do people like Soros want people high?

Two reasons:

Control (stoned/self interest/addicts)

Control (cannot own a gun)


I personally think it should be legal but I don't like it.


So, marijuana will lead to loss of self control due to addiction and the loss of Second Amendment Rights. Now, I am beginning to think that marijuana is much worse than a gateway drug to other drugs. Instead, it is a gateway to the total destruction of our society. Think I better go have several drinks and pop a few prescription pills and ponder that one, huh?
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