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Army Removes Bible Reference from Scopes
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DadZilla3 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 2:26 AM EST
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The U.S. Army is directing troops to remove a Bible inscription that a vendor etched into the serial numbers of weapon scopes, Fox News has learned.

Soldiers at Fort Wainwright in Alaska told Fox News they received a directive to turn in their scopes so the Bible references could be removed.

The scopes were made by Trijicom and referenced New Testament passages in John 8:12 and Second Corinthians 4:6. The verses appeared at the end of the scope serial numbers – “JN8:12” and “2COR4:6.”

“The biblical verse (JN8:12) must be removed utilizing a Dremel type tool and then painted black,” read instructions on how to remedy the matter.

After the letters and numbers were scrapped off, soldiers were directed to use apply black paint to ensure the verses were totally covered.

“The vendor etched those inscriptions on scopes without the Army’s approval,” Army spokesman Matthew Bourke told Fox in a written statement. “Consequently, the modified scopes did not meet the requirement under which the contract was executed.”

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/army-removes-bible-reference-from-scopes.html
z6joker9 Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 7:37 AM EST
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Wasn't this a few years ago, or did they do it again? Can't click your link on mobile.
daveincincy Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 7:56 AM EST
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Good verses...I guess. Of course, those who live by the sword will die by it.
BuckyB93 Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 8:04 AM EST
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I don't think this is about them being anti religion or anti Bible. The military is very specific as to what markings are and are not allowed on their items almost to excess. It's all spelled out in the contract.

Depending on the product it must be marked or labeled with part number, CAGE code, lot number, date code, expiration date, warnings, blah, blah, blah... The contract also defines what type of marking (engraving, stamping, printing, etching...), font, size, color, location and so on and so forth.
dstieger Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 8:36 AM EST
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z6joker9 wrote:
Wasn't this a few years ago, or did they do it again? Can't click your link on mobile.

Yes -- old or recurring news. No indication if they company shipped more scopes with the inscriptions or if these were in Army system and hadn't been 'modified'.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474268.stm

This article from Jan 2010 says: "The company pledged to remove the inscription reference on all products destined for the US military yet to be shipped and ensure all future procurements from the department of defence are produced without scripture references.

It also said it would provide 100 modification kits to forces in the field to remove the references.

"Trijicon has proudly served the US military for more than two decades, and our decision to offer to voluntarily remove these references is both prudent and appropriate," the firm, founded by a devout Christian, said in a statement released on Friday."
strikeanywhere Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 10:31 PM EST
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But what if that combination of letters/numbers/symbols is just part of their normal SN?
wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Apr 23 2013, 10:47 PM EST
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So ?


If the only spiritual references one might get is on a gun scope . well they are in
big trouble to begin with,,

wheel,...
jackconrad Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Apr 24 2013, 4:16 AM EST
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ET TU ARMAY ???
Buckwheat Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 10:17 AM EST
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They shouldn't have been paid for the scopes, IMO. They weren't delivered to the army within the agreed upon specs. Don't really care about biblical reference.
Brewha Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 5:27 PM EST
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First, this is just the sort of inflammatory crap news article I expect from Fox.

Second, the vendor should pay for the rework.

Third, arn't you getting tired of those Christian who do things like this to push their beliefs on others and then cry like five year olds when people say "no thank you".
HockeyDad Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 6:09 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:


Third, arn't you getting tired of those Christian who do things like this to push their beliefs on others and then cry like five year olds when people say "no thank you".


They ought to be a law or something
dpnewell Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Apr 25 2013, 6:33 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
First, this is just the sort of inflammatory crap news article I expect from Fox.

Second, the vendor should pay for the rework.

Third, arn't you getting tired of those Christian who do things like this to push their beliefs on others and then cry like five year olds when people say "no thank you".


Kind of like most Liberals and the militant gays, though I do agree with your first two points.
bs_kwaj Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2013, 12:41 PM EST
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Patton's revolver:

http://www.generalpatton.org/Patton_Saber/images/Spring08_Patton-Pistol-BW.gif

Specs be damned.

Angel
DadZilla3 Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2013, 5:43 PM EST
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I would have gone with Luke 22:36

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Brewha Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2013, 5:47 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I would have gone with Luke 22:36

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Or how about Tyrone 11:35; "Back off, or I'll cut you so bad you be sayin' don't cut me so bad'."
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2013, 6:10 PM EST
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Think


There's always...


Ezekiel 25:17 - The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.


BITCHES!
wheelrite Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Apr 26 2013, 8:17 PM EST
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yawn,,,
jetblasted Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2013, 4:57 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They ought to be a law or something


We need more laws !!

When do we want them?

NOW !!!

fog
Buckwheat Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2013, 1:27 PM EST
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Here is what they should have put on the scopes:

"Private Jackson: [lining shots] Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teaches my hands to the war, and my fingers to fight." - Saving Private Ryan
HockeyDad Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2013, 3:05 PM EST
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How bout something like "this end towards enemy"
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2013, 11:31 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Or how about Tyrone 11:35; "Back off, or I'll cut you so bad you be sayin' don't cut me so bad'."



It's Trevon, not Tyrone!
Docta2821 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, May 1 2013, 1:08 AM EST
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Yeahh, this is pretty old news, I remember when I first got to the fleet (Marine Corps) they had some working party in the armory scratching them off all nice like and whatnot. I think that verses are more funny than anything, I mean the Trijicon scopes absorb the light from the sun to light the reticle and the verses are all about 'being the light in the dark" and whatnot, so it really is fitting to have it on the scopes, and ****, if you piss a few people off on the way, good on you, just IMHO anyways
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