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Death tax increase makes 2013 a bad year to die...
bloody spaniard Offline
#1 Posted:
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The estate tax is as high as 55 percent.

Poor Tony Soprano's family will only get about half of his 70 million fortune. Since only 20% of the estate was allotted to his wife, the rest of the 80% was for other family members and will be subject to a Obama's harsh death tax.

That's a shame... but wait, the rich are finally paying their fair share! The 47% employed full-time in this country can't pay for ALL the green benny checks mailed out every two weeks.

Thanks, Mr. Gandolfini! I enjoyed your escalator tumbling work in Get Shorty!ThumpUp
jackconrad Offline
#2 Posted:
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I preach this sermon 5 times a week..
DrMaddVibe Offline
#3 Posted:
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Hope & Change!whip Brick wall
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted:
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I believe he supported Soetoro.
Brewha Offline
#5 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
... but wait, the rich are finally paying their fair share! ThumpUp


Not even close my friend.

But shed a few crocodile tears for them. The rich are getting such a raw deal - especially when you consider how much their lobbyists cost . . . .
DadZilla3 Offline
#6 Posted:
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Obama's new IRS director, E. Scrooge, said it best in a recent news conference: 'If they'd rather die then perhaps they had better do so and decrease the surplus population'.

He then quickly added, 'so long as they give their fair share of 55 percent first.'
Brewha Offline
#7 Posted:
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Will the governments abuse of the rich ever stop?

I think the rich should band together, gain an organized voice in government to protect their interests. Maybe they should circulate some petitions . . . . .

If only they had a voice.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Worked for SEIU and GE.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Glodman Sachs
Haliburton
Brewha Offline
#10 Posted:
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But think about the poor, everyday rich.

They take a third of what I make doing 50+ hours a week. But when they divey up $70 mill, the government makes half! Never mind that they did not work for this money, the guvmut is taking an extra 20 odd percent! Just because it's millions of dollars, and they did nothing for it.

So it would be more fair of you payed nothing for doing nothing. Working stiffs should tote the taxes, right?
wheelrite Offline
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Brewha wrote:
But think about the poor, everyday rich.

They take a third of what I make doing 50+ hours a week. But when they divey up $70 mill, the government makes half! Never mind that they did not work for this money, the guvmut is taking an extra 20 odd percent! Just because it's millions of dollars, and they did nothing for it.

So it would be more fair of you payed nothing for doing nothing. Working stiffs should tote the taxes, right?


you are a commie....
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted:
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There shouldn't be an IRS.
Brewha Offline
#13 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
you are a commie....

Dude, that is so nineteen fifties.
Step into the current century.
Brewha Offline
#14 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
There shouldn't be an IRS.

Then one would have to ditch the FED . . .
rfenst Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Will the governments abuse of the rich ever stop?

I think the rich should band together, gain an organized voice in government to protect their interests. Maybe they should circulate some petitions . . . . .

If only they had a voice.


All they need is a community organizer!
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Then one would have to ditch the FED . . .


Shut up! You are revealing his ulterior motive...
Brewha Offline
#17 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Shut up! You are revealing his ulterior motive...

Come on, 6% interest on every dollar in circulation? A small pittance to the owners of the country.

Where would we be without them?

Solvent?
ZRX1200 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Not an ulterior motive it's a bonus.

Cannot unwind banking control of OUR country without undoing all tentacles.

Brewhas my friend not my enemy.
Brewha Offline
#19 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Not an ulterior motive it's a bonus.

Cannot unwind banking control of OUR country without undoing all tentacles.

Brewhas my friend not my enemy.

I count you as a friend too Bro.




Back to the OP, maybe we should bomb his family with cigars. They have had a loss, and must now struggle by with $30 mill of declared income.
How will they make it?
rfenst Offline
#20 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:


Brewhas my friend not my enemy.


It was merely joke to be shared amongst friends- or the like...
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted:
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Here is a twist some may find interesting: Many of the "founding fathers" favored estate taxes to prevent the concentration of wealth which was thought to be contrary to democracy.
jackconrad Offline
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They wore wooden teeth and changed clothes once a year too,,
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted:
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I know rfenster didn't want a pile on Brewha session.
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted:
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jackconrad wrote:
They wore wooden teeth and changed clothes once a year too,,


Perhaps. Do some homework. You just may find it interesting....
HockeyDad Offline
#25 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
But think about the poor, everyday rich.

They take a third of what I make doing 50+ hours a week. But when they divey up $70 mill, the government makes half! Never mind that they did not work for this money, the guvmut is taking an extra 20 odd percent! Just because it's millions of dollars, and they did nothing for it.

So it would be more fair of you payed nothing for doing nothing. Working stiffs should tote the taxes, right?




Your jealousy of those that are a successful is not a very attractive trait.

Maybe you should just get back to work and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Fricking peasants...Always looking for a way to loot.
deadeyedick Offline
#26 Posted:
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[quote=bloody spaniard]The estate tax is as high as 55 percent.

Poor Tony Soprano's family will only get about half of his 70 million fortune. Since only 20% of the estate was allotted to his wife, the rest of the 80% was for other family members and will be subject to a Obama's harsh death tax.

Too bad but his problem (other than being dead) is that he was stoooopid with his estate. Anybody worth $70M has plenty of ways to shield the money from estate taxes. Think Warren Buffett will pay 55%?

DED
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
[quote=bloody spaniard]The estate tax is as high as 55 percent.

Poor Tony Soprano's family will only get about half of his 70 million fortune. Since only 20% of the estate was allotted to his wife, the rest of the 80% was for other family members and will be subject to a Obama's harsh death tax.

Too bad but his problem (other than being dead) is that he was stoooopid with his estate. Anybody worth $70M has plenty of ways to shield the money from estate taxes. Think Warren Buffett will pay 55%?

DED


warren buffet pledged to give nearly all of his away and is starting to do so
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted:
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Warren Buffett, the billionaire investment guru known as the Oracle of Omaha, is donating about $2.6 billion in stocks to five charities as part of a plan to give away the bulk of his wealth before he dies.

The chairman and chief executive of investment firm Berkshire Hathaway has watched his fortune soar this year as the company's stock jumped more than 25%. In March, Forbes magazine pegged his wealth at $53.5 billion.

The bulk of the annual donation, about $2 billion, went to the Gates Foundation, the philanthropic organization set up by Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates. Buffett also donated millions to his own foundation and the charitable organizations set up by his three children.

Along with Bill Gates, Buffett was one of the originators of the Giving Pledge, which encourages the wealthiest people in the world to commit to giving away most of their riches to philanthropy during their lifetime or at their death. At least 105 of the world's uber-wealthy have joined this select group
deadeyedick Offline
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I know what Buffett is doing with his estate. He has also paid himself a paltry income wage to avoid income taxes and has used unrealized capitol gains for decades to amass billions while avoiding any tax.

Friggin' hypocrite IMO.

DED
dpnewell Offline
#30 Posted:
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Wow, Buffett gave away 5% of his insane net worth to charities. What a generous guy.

Romney gave 16.4% of his income to charities in '10 & '11, yet the Obama worshipers consider him a greedy bastid.
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Your jealousy of those that are a successful is not a very attractive trait.

Maybe you should just get back to work and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Fricking peasants...Always looking for a way to loot.

Oh, go lick the boots of your master HD. It's your avocation.

Your remind me of the phrase "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men." Not that you are evil, just short sighted, as servants need to be.
jojoc Offline
#32 Posted:
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I know I am late to this game, but as someone who makes a living helping people reduce/avoid estate taxes, here are a few thoughts:

First is a correction - for 2013 the Federal estate tax is a flat tax of 40% (not 55%) on the excess over $5,250,000. The 20% going to the wife is not taxed (Until she dies assuming she has more than $5 million). Assuming the trust for his son with the $7,000,000 life insurance policy was set up correctly, it will not be subject to estate tax.

Estate planning can be very simple, or very complex, depending on the primary goals. Bill Gates and Buffet's planning is most likely very simple -- I give what I can tax free to (fill in the blank), with the remainder to charity. However, when someone's goals and desires do not line up with charitable planning, it can get much more complex. There are almost endless ways to reduce estate taxes, but they all come with a price (some are very expensive to set up and maintain, others result is a loss of access or control). As with most all things in life, we balance the good and the bad and make the best choice we can.

Rfenst is correct. When you look at the historical legislative history for the estate tax, the purpose of the tax is an effort to prevent the creation of an American royal class.

At the end of the day, the 99% of us do not really need to worry about estate taxes (although there are a lot of other reasons to do estate planning other than taxes) -- for a married couple they can easily exclude from the Federal estate tax over Ten Million dollars.
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