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'white racist god with a problem'.....
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Ivy League professor calls God a 'racist' after Zimmerman verdict
Published July 16, 2013


Anthea Butlers latest blog post on religiondispatches.org in which she says that God is a "White Racist" in response to last weeks not guilty verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman. (FoxNews.com)

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An Ivy League professor blogged after George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin that the verdict shows God is a “white racist” who stalks “young black men.”

Anthea Butler, an associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Department of Religious Studies, made the unusual comments in a blog post released on Monday on ReligionDispatches.org, where she is a regular contributor.

“God ain’t good all of the time. In fact, sometimes, God is not for us,” she wrote in the post. “As a black woman in an [sic] nation that has taken too many pains to remind me that I am not a white man, and am not capable of taking care of my reproductive rights, or my voting rights, I know that this American god ain’t my god.

“As a matter of fact, I think he’s a white racist god with a problem. More importantly, he is carrying a gun and stalking young black men,” she added.

Butler adds that Trayvon Martin’s killing was the result of racism that was influenced by Christianity.

“As a historian of American and African-American religion, I know that the Trayvon Martin moment is just one moment in a history of racism in America that, in large part, has its underpinnings in Christianity and its history,” she wrote. “Those of us who teach American Religion have a responsibility to tell all of the story, not just the nice touchy-feely parts.”

“When the good Christians of America are some of its biggest racists, one has to consider our moral responsibility to call out those who clearly are not for human flourishing, no matter what ethnicity a person is. Where are you on that scale? I know where I am.”

According to her biography, Butler holds doctorate and masters degrees in religion from Vanderbilt University as well as a masters in theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. She is the author of a 2007 book titled "Women in the Church of God in Christ, Making A Sanctified World," published by University of North Carolina Press.

Butler, who did not respond to requests for comment, is also an associate chair for the school's religious studies department and is a regular contributor and guest on both MSNBC and CNN.

Josiah Ryan, editor-in-chief of Campus Reform, which first reported Butler's comments, said the professor's reaction to the verdict was bizarre.

"No amount of heartbreak over the Zimmerman acquittal justifies these hateful posts," Ryan said. "Professor Butler's remarks were clearly designed to hurt when Americans needed healing and to divide when we needed unity.”

"In tumultuous times students must be able turn to their professors for calm and wisdom. In stoking the flames of hatred, Professor Butler has betrayed her students' trust. UPenn administrators ought not to allow her back in the classroom."

Officials for the University of Pennsylvania declined to comment.



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banderl Offline
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Busa works there, he'll take care of that ******.
HockeyDad Offline
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It is surely a true statement unless God strikes her down. God just got served. What's He gonna do?
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I blame da Pope... wearing that big white robe and big hat and stuff... Not talking Not talking
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I dunno. She appears to have an issue with the American God so I don't think we can pin this on the Pope.

She might be better off switching to Islam.
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Kill, kill, kill the white man...
Kill him until he is dead....
Kill the white man...
Thank you.... Mellow

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DrafterX wrote:
Kill, kill, kill the white man...
Kill him until he is dead....
Kill the white man...
Thank you.... Mellow




If the good professor is right, God will not allow that. Game over.
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true.... true... Think
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Ironic that she's a professor from Penn State. She must not have heard about Sandusky yet.
She's an idiot.
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cacman wrote:
Ironic that she's a professor from Penn State. She must not have heard about Sandusky yet.
She's an idiot.


I thought she was at Univ of Pennsylvania?
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DrafterX wrote:
“God ain’t good all of the time. In fact, sometimes, God is not for us,” she wrote in the post. “As a black woman in an [sic] nation that has taken too many pains to remind me that I am not a white man, and am not capable of taking care of my reproductive rights, or my voting rights, I know that this American god ain’t my god.


I wonder if God ain't paying attention to a university professor's lack of English language skills.
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HockeyDad wrote:
If the good professor is right, God will not allow that. Game over.

God is caucasian. Everybody knows that.Applause
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If God had a son he'd look like Zimmerman.... Mellow
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Racist cracker ass crackers.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought she was at Univ of Pennsylvania?

Correct. Both in the same State and within relatively close proximity to each other.
Still an idiot.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Racist cracker ass crackers.



OhMyGod
you spelled 'cracker' with an 'er'..!! OhMyGod
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Btw, my next door neighbors name is Craca. He's Eyetalian.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Btw, my next door neighbors name is Craca. He's Eyetalian.



has he seen CROS..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
has he seen CROS..?? Huh


I heard god had a son and not only did he look like cros he died on him
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poor CROS..... Sad
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WTF???

Stupid is as stupid does. And this is a pretty f-n stupid thing to say let alone believe.
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Buckwheat wrote:
WTF???

Stupid is as stupid does. And this is a pretty f-n stupid thing to say let alone believe.
fog



+1
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This is actually really funny from an atheist standpoint.

I mean... you can't prove she isn't right.
Hell, she isn't even without precedent. There are plenty of white-power organizations which cite god as their reason for whatever racist positions they are holding. There is little difference, except in this case she's actually part of the victim group.

Hell... I'd be willing to bet (I'm sure as hell not doing the necssary google searches on my work computer) that there's a bible-college out there somewhere where a professor has claimed god likes whites better than blacks. The only reason this is news is because she's black, and everyone is trying to get reaction the the zimmerman thing.
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victor809 wrote:
This is actually really funny from an atheist standpoint.

I mean... you can't prove she isn't right.
Hell, she isn't even without precedent. There are plenty of white-power organizations which cite god as their reason for whatever racist positions they are holding. There is little difference, except in this case she's actually part of the victim group.

Hell... I'd be willing to bet (I'm sure as hell not doing the necssary google searches on my work computer) that there's a bible-college out there somewhere where a professor has claimed god likes whites better than blacks. The only reason this is news is because she's black, and everyone is trying to get reaction the the zimmerman thing.



Claiming to be an Athiest only provides you with an easy out and non committal lifestyle....pfffft
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"I mean... you can't prove she isn't right. " - Don't have to.
She opens her mouth and stupid just falls out removing all doubt that she is a fool.
horse
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TMCTLT wrote:
Claiming to be an Athiest only provides you with an easy out and non committal lifestyle....pfffft


Huh?
Why would I be looking to have it "provide" me with anything? Do you look to your religion to provide you with stuff? Is there a free car, or something I'm missing?
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Buckwheat wrote:
"I mean... you can't prove she isn't right. " - Don't have to.
She opens her mouth and stupid just falls out removing all doubt that she is a fool.
horse


Oh, I am not trying to suggest you have to prove she isn't right.

I just think it's funny. :)

It's like if some religious professor started claiming god didn't like brussel sprouts, and cited some random bible passages, and referenced their bad smell or something... then a bunch of people on a cigar forum had a problem with it or something....

It's funny, you'll just have to trust me on this.
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victor809 wrote:
This is actually really funny from an atheist standpoint.

I mean... you can't prove she isn't right.
Hell, she isn't even without precedent. There are plenty of white-power organizations which cite god as their reason for whatever racist positions they are holding. There is little difference, except in this case she's actually part of the victim group.

Hell... I'd be willing to bet (I'm sure as hell not doing the necssary google searches on my work computer) that there's a bible-college out there somewhere where a professor has claimed god likes whites better than blacks. The only reason this is news is because she's black, and everyone is trying to get reaction the the zimmerman thing.

Would there be a Hell in the atheist universe? A real Hell, not just someplace on Earth like Detroit, I mean. Think
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I loke forward to President Obama healing this new racial divide between blacks and hispanics. Perhaps a beer and tequilla summit.

We need to get back to focusing on a different color...green...as in more green energy funding.
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Where's my new gubment Volt..??? Mad
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DrafterX wrote:
Where's my new gubment Volt..??? Mad

The wealthy aren't paying their fair share, otherwise we'd all have one by now.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
The wealthy aren't paying their fair share, otherwise we'd all have one by now.



does God know about this..?? Huh
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HockeyDad wrote:
I loke forward to President Obama healing this new racial divide between blacks and hispanics. Perhaps a beer and tequilla summit.

We need to get back to focusing on a different color...green...as in more Money in our pockets.


I fixed it for you!! You're welcome. Herfing
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victor809 wrote:
Huh?
Why would I be looking to have it "provide" me with anything? Do you look to your religion to provide you with stuff? Is there a free car, or something I'm missing?



Well, YES.....I look for it to provide me with the FAITH that there's something greater than me and you. I know....I know....there's nuttin bigger / greater than YOU, and YES there's ALOT your missing but we won't go into that fog
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TMCTLT wrote:
Claiming to be an Athiest only provides you with an easy out and non committal lifestyle....pfffft

Actually, Sociologists have long understood that religious believes exist in all cultures to provide relief from the emotional burden of mortality, among other reasons. Claiming an atheist conviction would be to embrace mortality without a 'death defying' belief and to confront life on those terms.
This seems neither non committal or particularly easy - as compared to singing Kumbaya and believing to live forever.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Would there be a Hell in the atheist universe? A real Hell, not just someplace on Earth like Detroit, I mean. Think

Dude, have you BEEN to Detroit???


I recon there is a hell in the atheist universe, but do you really need it to be worse than Detroit?
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Brewha wrote:
Dude, have BEEN to Detroit???


I recon there is a hell in the atheist universe, but do you really need it to be worse than Detroit?


I've lived there for awhile years ago, returned there on assignments now and then, and visit relatives there regularly. So yep, I've been there.

If Hell is all about eternal damnation, torment, and punishment then Detroit would be a logical comparison for an atheist Hell.

Maybe we could use Flint as Purgatory, sort of a Hell Lite.
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Brewha wrote:
Actually, Sociologists have long understood that religious believes exist in all cultures to provide relief from the emotional burden of mortality, among other reasons. Claiming an atheist conviction would be to embrace mortality without a 'death defying' belief and to confront life on those terms.
This seems neither non committal or particularly easy - as compared to singing Kumbaya and believing to live forever.


really ?

read Einstein

want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
2.Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
3.My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
4.The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.
5.Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
6.The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
7.There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.
8.The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
9.The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science.
10.We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
11.Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
12.When the solution is simple, God is answering.
13.God does not play dice with the universe.
14.God is subtle but he is not malicious.
15. A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.
16.Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
17.The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.
18.Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
19.Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.
20.The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
21.The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
22. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.
23.The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
24.The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.
25.True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.
26.Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends. To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man.

I suppose you are smarter than Albert,,

wheel,
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Albert was a brilliant Physicist and a religious man - not a Sociologist you dolt.

Ever read Ernest Becker?
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I've lived there for awhile years ago, returned there on assignments now and then, and visit relatives there regularly. So yep, I've been there.

If Hell is all about eternal damnation, torment, and punishment then Detroit would be a logical comparison for an atheist Hell.

Maybe we could use Flint as Purgatory, sort of a Hell Lite.

I thought the Catholics got rid of Purgatory. Too many administrative costs or something . . . .
Maybe it's Limbo I'm thinking of.

Wheel - you prolly know about this one. It's Catholicism not science . . . .
( sorry bud, I couldn't resist )

I was in Peoria last November. I remember feeling a sence of damnation and eternal suffering. Salvation came from the unlikely source of AA leaving on time (a miracle?). I felt imbued with blessings from above when the drink cart came by. And some would say there is no God . . . . .
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Brewha wrote:
I thought the Catholics got rid of Purgatory. Too many administrative cost or something . . . .
Maybe it's Limbo I'm thinking of.

Times are tough. Downsizing is the new normal.
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TMCTLT wrote:
Well, YES.....I look for it to provide me with the FAITH that there's something greater than me and you. I know....I know....there's nuttin bigger / greater than YOU, and YES there's ALOT your missing but we won't go into that fog


Soooo.... you need the idea that there's something greater than you and I? That's cool. I understand you have an inability to go on without it. I personally don't think it's a worthwhile bargain. You offer eternal subservience and arbitrary rule-following, just so you can get some external sense of purpose for a few decades... not a bargain I'd make.

The funny part is that you're absolutely 100% wrong.

I mean, you claim that what you're getting is "the idea that there's something greater than you". But the entire premise of your religion is that human beings are some sort of special little flowers, the focal point, so to speak, of an entire omniscient/omnipresent entity (really... that's the equivalent of someone with unlimited funds/power sitting down and watching honey boo boo all day). Sure, in your little religion there's something bigger than you. But you're only 1 step from the top dog. You're talkin' directly to the man. You may not be the biggest, but you've got his ear!.

Yeah... It's us atheists who are convinced we're special....RollEyes
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victor809 wrote:
Soooo.... you need the idea that there's something greater than you and I? That's cool. I understand you have an inability to go on without it. I personally don't think it's a worthwhile bargain. You offer eternal subservience and arbitrary rule-following, just so you can get some external sense of purpose for a few decades... not a bargain I'd make.

The funny part is that you're absolutely 100% wrong.

I mean, you claim that what you're getting is "the idea that there's something greater than you". But the entire premise of your religion is that human beings are some sort of special little flowers, the focal point, so to speak, of an entire omniscient/omnipresent entity (really... that's the equivalent of someone with unlimited funds/power sitting down and watching honey boo boo all day). Sure, in your little religion there's something bigger than you. But you're only 1 step from the top dog. You're talkin' directly to the man. You may not be the biggest, but you've got his ear!.

Yeah... It's us atheists who are convinced we're special....RollEyes



All that typing and to amount to nothing, must be kind of a bummer.
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TMCTLT wrote:
All that typing and to amount to nothing, must be kind of a bummer.


Yeah... you don't actually have the ability to decide that.
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Have you ever taken a crap so big that your pants fit better?

Anyone?
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