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Enough Political Correctness to make you sick...
DrafterX Offline
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Seattle officials call for ban on 'potentially offensive' language
Published August 02, 2013

Government workers in the city of Seattle have been advised that the terms "citizen" and "brown bag" are potentially offensive and may no longer be used in official documents and discussions.

KOMO-TV reports that the city's Office of Civil Rights instructed city workers in a recent internal memo to avoid using the words because some may find them offensive.

"Luckily, we've got options," Elliott Bronstein of the Office for Civil Rights wrote in the memo obtained by the station. "For 'citizens,' how about 'residents?'"

In an interview with Seattle's KIRO Radio, Bronstein said the term "brown bag" has been used historically as a way to judge skin color.

"For a lot of particularly African-American community members, the phrase brown bag does bring up associations with the past when a brown bag was actually used, I understand, to determine if people's skin color was light enough to allow admission to an event or to come into a party that was being held in a private home," Bronstein said.

According to the memo, city employees should use the terms "lunch-and-learn" or "sack lunch" instead of "brown bag."

Bronstein told KIRO Radio the word "citizen" should be avoided because many people who live in Seattle are residents, not citizens.

"They are legal residents of the United States and they are residents of Seattle. They pay taxes and if we use a term like citizens in common use, then it doesn't include a lot of folks," Bronstein said.

Seattle, however, isn't the only city with an eye on potentially disruptive words.

The New York Post reported in March 2012 that the city’s Department of Education avoids references to words like “dinosaurs,” “birthdays,” “Halloween” and dozens of other topics on city-issued tests because they could evoke “unpleasant emotions” among the students.

Dinosaurs, for example, conjures the topic of evolution, which could rile fundamentalists and birthdays are not celebrated by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Halloween, meanwhile, suggests an affiliation to Paganism.

Officials said such exclusions are normal procedure, insisting it’s not censorship.

“This is standard language that has been used by test publishers for many years and allows our students to complete practice exams without distraction,” a Department of Education spokeswoman told the newspaper last year



Film at 11.... Not talking Not talking Not talking


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dpnewell Offline
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Of course "citizen" is a bad word under the Obama regime. "Subject" is the proper term.
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Oh, and did you Snopes this? Never mind, Victor will be along shortly.
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no need to snopes this.. it came from Fox News... ThumpUp
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DrafterX wrote:
no need to snopes this.. it came from Fox News... ThumpUp


Once again, you just gift wrapped this one for Victor. Can you make it any easier?
DrafterX Offline
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but Fox News is Fair & Balanced.... Mellow
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Screw Fox News. Everybody knows they are raciss and biased. I'm waiting for Chris Matthews to verify that news item.
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Nothing there sounds unreasonable honestly. Citizen has too much ambiguity, or at least unintentionally excludes people, so they use resident instead. Brown bag has negative connotations so they use sack lunch instead. They make sure tests use words without strong associations so kids can focus on taking them. Big deal.

Honestly I couldn't care less, but I am amazed that people are getting outraged at other people trying to be considerate and thoughtful.
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^Where do you see any "outrage" in this thread?
daveincincy Offline
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Here's some outrage...

Regarding #8...are you serious?! Are you saying kids take a test and see something with a color associated to it and freeze up or something?
z6joker9 Offline
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daveincincy wrote:
Here's some outrage...

Regarding #8...are you serious?! Are you saying kids take a test and see something with a color associated to it and freeze up or something?


I'm not saying they freeze up, but who knows how negative feelings brought up by connotations will affect someone taking on a test. It might only affect a small percentage of children with parents that have drilled in something about Halloween being the devil's holiday, or how Dinosaurs were never real, etc. It's not unreasonable to just avoid a possible issue (a student refusing to answer a question on religious beliefs, for instance) by omitting that language from a state-wide standardized test.

Sorry dp, I didn't mean to imply that this thread was full of outrage- only that, in general, people are overly concerned about political correctiveness. The euphemism treadmill affects every generation; it is not a new problem, if you can even call it that.
teedubbya Offline
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Well the title does sort of express outrage unless drafter has the flu or something.

I'm not pc but I also don't know everything. If I use a word or phrase that seems benign to me but someone tells me it bothers them for whatever reason I tend to quit using it around them and if I know them fairly well try to understand why. You may learn something. I find it easier than saying eff you and using it more.

If you are dealing with the masses you'd better learn that very quickly and it's worse in larger companies trying to sell or market to a large varied customer base. It's just a fact of life. You don't have to like it but it has always been like that. New words get added etc but its no different than it has ever been.

It doesn't make me sick or outraged but it is amusing. Now get on wif yo bad self you smoke breathing wiggers.

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I don't use isom following a conversation with docrks. That's pc too. I quit using it out of respect and a new understanding.
tailgater Offline
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z6joker9 wrote:
Nothing there sounds unreasonable honestly. Citizen has too much ambiguity, or at least unintentionally excludes people, so they use resident instead. Brown bag has negative connotations so they use sack lunch instead. They make sure tests use words without strong associations so kids can focus on taking them. Big deal.

Honestly I couldn't care less, but I am amazed that people are getting outraged at other people trying to be considerate and thoughtful.


Trying to be considerate and thoughtful?

LOL!

There's a difference between being considerate, and having your language mandated to conform.

tailgater Offline
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In a related story, a generation of American young adults are in for a big freakin surprise when they first encounter a word that could potentially be deemed mildly offensive.

Film at 11.


You can say "film", right?

I mean, maybe I should have said video. Or visual documentation.
A little help please.

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z6joker9 wrote:
Nothing there sounds unreasonable honestly. Citizen has too much ambiguity, or at least unintentionally excludes people, so they use resident instead. Brown bag has negative connotations so they use sack lunch instead. They make sure tests use words without strong associations so kids can focus on taking them. Big deal.

Honestly I couldn't care less, but I am amazed that people are getting outraged at other people trying to be considerate and thoughtful.



d'oh! Obviously you DO care
HockeyDad Offline
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Le HockeyDad has not expressed outrage due to concern for all you people's feelings.
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tailgater wrote:
There's a difference between being considerate, and having your language mandated to conform.


Certain organizations are being considerate- nobody mandated they do this, and nobody is restricting the words you're allowed to use.

TMCTLT wrote:
d'oh! Obviously you DO care


There is a difference between having strong feelings about something and stating an observation about something you find interesting.
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z6joker9 wrote:
There is a difference between having strong feelings about something and stating an observation about something you find interesting.



What the hell do you mean by "observation"? Are you saying he's some sort of mental patient? ****.
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I'm grossed out by the replacement term "sack lunch".
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm grossed out by the replacement term "sack lunch".


Hey me too! We should start a letter writing campaign.
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Boy they sure got me there....EVERY time I say the word dinosaur I immediately want to discuss evolution with someone......where DO they find these douchebags???

Oops, my apologies....I know your ALL thinking of feminine products now....and how they came to be and other uses and stuff. fog
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TMCTLT wrote:
Boy they sure got me there....EVERY time I say the word dinosaur I immediately want to discuss evolution with someone......where DO they find these douchebags???

Oops, my apologies....I know your ALL thinking of feminine products now....and how they came to be and other uses and stuff. fog

I believe that douchebag is suspended but not banned yet, pending ARod's case. But douchebrownbag has been declared offensive.
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LOL
teedubbya Offline
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Lol

And stuff
Mathen Offline
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I work for one of the most "proud to be diverse and inclusive" companies out there and we use the term brown bag all the time. I'm glad I know that I should be offended by this. In going to complain, change corporate policy and probably get a promotion for this.


bloody spaniard Offline
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LMAO@sack lunch and "stuff"...
What a buncha hypersensitive cows we've become.

Agree with TW's overall assesment though. Thing is, one has always had to show a modicum of decorum and manners in order to effectively operate in polite society. Now, the world is upside down however, with folks adorned with body modifications who barely know how to hold an eating implement, dress appropriately, or even write a grammatically correct, declarative sentence, yet insist on the "proper" (pc) usage of words... A little common sense all around would be useful.Beer
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Mathen wrote:
I work for one of the most "proud to be diverse and inclusive" companies out there and we use the term brown bag all the time. I'm glad I know that I should be offended by this. In going to complain, change corporate policy and probably get a promotion for this.





My company is much more diverse and inclusive than yours. Our locations in 102 countries makes us both multinational and multicultural.

I am not sure if we use the term "sac marron" or "bolso marrón" in Europe but I can't recall hearing "brown bag" here in the USA for a while.
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Only 102? You've got 94 or so (depending on who is doing the counting) to go. Barely halfway there.
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Mathen wrote:
Only 102? You've got 94 or so (depending on who is doing the counting) to go. Barely halfway there.



We only have offices in safe countries!
teedubbya Offline
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You live in Canada?
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z6joker9 wrote:
Certain organizations are being considerate- nobody mandated they do this, and nobody is restricting the words you're allowed to use.


From the OP:
"Government workers in the city of Seattle have been advised that the terms "citizen" and "brown bag" are potentially offensive and may no longer be used in official documents and discussions."

Their word choice is indeed being mandated.
And if I worked for those organizations, then my words would be restricted as well.

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teedubbya wrote:
You live in Canada?



Nope but I do occasionally work there.
z6joker9 Offline
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z6joker9 wrote:

Certain organizations are being considerate- nobody mandated they (referring to someone above forcing the organizations, in this case, the city of Seattle) do this, and nobody is restricting the words you're allowed to use. (literally, you)


tailgater wrote:
From the OP:
"Government workers in the city of Seattle have been advised that the terms "citizen" and "brown bag" are potentially offensive and may no longer be used in official documents and discussions."

Their word choice is indeed being mandated.
And if I worked for those organizations (you don't), then my words would be restricted as well.


Again, you're getting upset because some city government somewhere that doesn't affect you decided they were not going to use certain words in their own documents- one because as a euphemism, it might have negative connotations that people are not aware of, and another because the manner in which it is used excludes a segment of people that they did not intend to exclude.

Are you saying that you're allowed to use any word you like in any official documents at your workplace, even if it is an offensive euphemism or leaves some ambiguity to the meaning of a statement?
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Brownbag Please Outrage
bloody spaniard Offline
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Let's cut to the chase and greet each other as "citizen" or "comrade" in our unisex costumes.
You know they're going to win eventually anyway.
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z6joker9 wrote:
Again, you're getting upset because some city government somewhere that doesn't affect you decided they were not going to use certain words in their own documents- one because as a euphemism, it might have negative connotations that people are not aware of, and another because the manner in which it is used excludes a segment of people that they did not intend to exclude.

Are you saying that you're allowed to use any word you like in any official documents at your workplace, even if it is an offensive euphemism or leaves some ambiguity to the meaning of a statement?


Getting upset?
Uh, I didn't realize that posting an opposing viewpoint qualified as getting upset. And apparently we shouldn't even discuss the topic unless it affects us directly.
Thank goodness you set that straight.

And as for using "any" word? No. I can't.
But when those who make the rules go out of their way to look for perceived offenses, it is simply going too far.
And the fact that it was a government and not a PRIVATE organization?

You know it's ridiculous.

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I'm didn't say not to discuss it, only that you're disproportionately concerned about a non-issue. They sent out a memo asking people to avoid some words that could offend. They didn't list it as a firable offense or anything. The media just plays off of people's strong opinions on political correctiviness to spin any story they can find.

For the record, I do think people are offended too easily, but that's a different discussion.
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z6joker9 wrote:
For the record, I do think people are offended too easily, but that's a different discussion.

I'm sure someone, somewhere finds that offensive.
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here's a good one... 'Shark attacks' are now to be refered to as 'Shark encounters' or Shark sightings'... apparently they're getting a bad rap... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
here's a good one... 'Shark attacks' are now to be refered to as 'Shark encounters' or Shark sightings'... apparently they're getting a bad rap... Mellow


Obviously a lawyer thing...
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something to do with Shark Week or tourism or somethin... I heard it on the radio this morning... Mellow
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z6joker9 wrote:


For the record, I do think people are offended too easily, but that's a different discussion.



Actually, that's this exact discussion.

The general public need to understand that we're not entitled to live life free of being offended.
We can discuss degrees of offensive behavior or verbiage, however, and on a scale of 1 to 10 the term "brown bag" likely falls between 1 and zero.

Yet we have a government body deem it necessary to eliminate this term from their vocabulary.
And we have some who support this decision.

They have the right to make these rules. I understand that.
But if they're not openly ridiculed then what's next? And where?
Because before too long it will be our own local politicians spouting the same stupidity.

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DrafterX wrote:
something to do with Shark Week or tourism or somethin... I heard it on the radio this morning... Mellow


are you dating a french model?
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I would have never know about the brown bag thing if it hadn't been brought up... I always thoguht it was away to take lunch somewhere.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I would have never know about the brown bag thing if it hadn't been brought up... I always thoguht it was away to take lunch somewhere.... Mellow


I'm sure you never see color when guys are tea baggin ya.... stars maybe... but no color
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I heard things. I dunno... I heard Drafter puts a price on guys' heads & whacks 'em and stuff.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I heard things. I dunno... I heard Drafter puts a price on guys' heads & whacks 'em and stuff.


I thought that was ram.

you mean drafter whacks off?
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Drafter either whacks 'em or get's 'em off with a stiff warning.
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, that's this exact discussion.


Nah, this is about people being sensitive to what other people might be offended about.

The only thing people got offended about here was that an organization was being sensitive to what others might be offended about.
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