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are repubicans liars or just plain stupid
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Economy AlterNet / By Lynn Stuart Parramore 176 COMMENTS Did You Know the Deficit Is Shrinking? Most Americans Don't, Thanks to Shameless Deficit Hawk Propaganda
The deficit is down 37.6 percent for the first 10 months of 2013. But half of Americans think it’s growing.

Remember all those deficit hawks who screamed that the federal deficit is spiraling out of control and must be stopped with spending cuts that have a funny way of hurting the pocketbooks of the most vulnerable Americans? Their excuse for ripping us off has been literally disappearing, but a new Google survey shows that not only do the vast majority Americans not know it — half of the public actually believes that the deficit is growing.

Here are the facts: The U.S. budget deficit has been shrinking at a rapid rate over the last few months. The deficit peaked at 10.2 percent of GDP in 2009, but over the past four quarters, it has shrunk to a mere 4.2 percent of GDP. What’s more, the Congressional Budget Office predicts that the deficit will fall to 2.1 percent of GDP in 2015.

Why such a disconnect? Unfortunately, disgraceful propaganda has left the public misinformed and confused.

Over in Economic Wonderland, the deficit hawk duo of Alan Simpson and Erksine Bowles have made a second career over the last several years wildly exaggerating the deficit issue and scaring Americans into thinking that deep cuts in the federal budget were necessary for the economy. The reality was just the opposite. If these two had ever sat down to read John Maynard Keynes, whose work is vital to understanding how to respond to economic crises, they would have known that cutting the federal budget when the economy is weak actually slows it down even more. Yet to this day, Simpson and Bowles continue waging battle for a “grand bargain” that would shred the social safety net and cost many Americans their jobs by requiring trillions of dollars to be cut from the federal budget over ten years. All in the name of a “problem” that doesn’t even exist.

Deficit hawks like Simpson and Bowles, and their grand funder, hedge fund billionaire Pete Peterson, go on promoting the nonsense that the deficit is the major economic problem of 2013 despite the obvious facts and a growing consensus from economists that such a claim is utterly absurd. Incredibly, they do it even after the faulty work they relied on to make their case – a paper produced by two Harvard economists, Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff – was discredited by a mere grad student in one of the great academic revelations of our time. Even conservative economists are bowing to reality. The folks over at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, for example, have come to the conclusion that austerity is a terrible idea and that without proper stimulus, the U.S. economy would look a lot more like Europe’s, where individual countries without sovereign currency have been forced to go the austerity route. It’s getting increasingly hard to deny that things have gotten pretty ugly over there because of deficit hawks and their ilk.

But deficit hawks are paid well to misinform the public. They write reports. They get corporate honchos to help them run campaigns with innocent-sounding names like “Fix the Debt.” They build websites. They write articles. They hold conferences. They pay off think tanks – even progressive ones – to play ball with them. And the corporate dominated major media frequently are happy to play along. On it goes, until the lies repeated to the public take on the ring of truth.

So it’s no surprise that the public is not aware of the important news that the deficit is shrinking. Or that it is shrinking precisely for the reason progressive economists have been saying all along. When you have a recession, you have to juice the economy through government investment. That, in turn, reaps you the benefit of more money in people’s pockets, which leads to more jobs, more tax revenue for the government, and less reliance on social safety net programs like unemployment insurance or food stamps. If the original stimulus package had been bigger, the deficit would have shrunk even faster.

The deficit hawks have been more than spectacularly wrong. They have impacted policy in a way that turned the attention of Washington away from what it should have been focused on all along – jobs. Instead of a deficit commission, Obama should have called for a jobs commission to address the fact that hard-working people have not been able to find jobs to feed their families because of a Wall Street-driven financial crisis.

One might hope that the reality emerging will help squelch the calls to recklessly cut government investment in the economy. But there’s a big problem: Deficit lies benefit the 1 percent in the short-run. Rather than shrinking the deficit, what the short-sighted, greedy rich in America really want to shrink is their tax liabilities, which is why they don’t want to pay for things like education, infrastructure, and social safety net programs that benefit the population and ultimately help keep the economy humming. The financiers among them would also dearly like to privatize things like Social Security so that they can collect fees on American retirement accounts. The corporate honchos like the way austerity drives up unemployment and drives down wages because they hold the mistaken view that keeping workers stressed and vulnerable is good for their bottom line. They want people like Larry Summers to head the Federal Reserve, who, while in the White House as the president’s chief economic adviser , famously presided over a stimulus program many economists warned was way too small.

In the fall, will deficit hawks in Congress manage once again to hold the American economy hostage? Or will reality finally rear its head? Facts have a tough time competing with well-funded mythology.

i'll bet you answer without reading this and learring anyhing

Lynn Parramore is an AlterNet senior editor. She is cofounder of Recessionwire, founding editor of New Deal 2.0, and author of 'Reading the Sphinx: Ancient Egypt in Nineteenth
teedubbya Offline
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The font is too small and the color makes it hard to read. I'm assuming it says something like UG Republican bad.
Abrignac Offline
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I don't understand. If the deficit is shrinking, why is there a need to increase the borrowing limit? Sounds like some voodoo economics to me.
HockeyDad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
Here are the facts: The U.S. budget deficit has been shrinking at a rapid rate over the last few months. The deficit peaked at 10.2 percent of GDP in 2009, but over the past four quarters, it has shrunk to a mere 4.2 percent of GDP. What’s more, the Congressional Budget Office predicts that the deficit will fall to 2.1 percent of GDP in 2015.



I love stats! We put $1000 on the American Express this month instead of $1500. Let's celebrate by going shopping.

THE DEFICIT WILL FALL TO 2.1 PERCENT OF GDP in 2015! This is great news.

(Of course the deficit will have to fall to 0.0 percent of GDP before we can ever even begin to discuss how we're going to pay back Obama's trillion dollar/year deficits or any of the rest of the national debt. Is there a CBO or Obama administration forecast as to when we'll hit 0.0%?)

The batricibal optimerveribication of America continues.
DrafterX Offline
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Mellow
SMIB Offline
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A liberal puke complaining about Repubs lying/????????


REALLY?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Totally unbiased......


" Lynn Parramore is an AlterNet senior editor. She is cofounder of Recessionwire, founding editor of New Deal 2.0,"
SMIB Offline
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I was talking about the OP......
teedubbya Offline
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I think he knew that....


noobs
DrafterX Offline
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Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking
DadZilla3 Offline
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In related news, the weekly chocolate ration has been increased from 2.0 ounces to 1.5 ounces! Long live Big Brother!
dpnewell Offline
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I have a question. Are Liberal bloggers liars or just plain stupid?




"Both" would be the answer we're looking for.
Brewha Offline
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Don't have me because I'm beautiful.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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dpnewell

is this one of those "I'M RUBBER YOU'E GLUE MOMENTS?"


so long mitch. i'll miss your lying rosy checked face.

if the repubicans lose the congress it's all over but the sound of relief
from the poor.
dpnewell Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
dpnewell

is this one of those "I'M RUBBER YOU'E GLUE MOMENTS?"


so long mitch. i'll miss your lying rosy checked face.

if the repubicans lose the congress it's all over but the sound of relief
from the poor.


You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you? It's in the best interest of the Democrats to keep the poor, poor, and dependent on the measly scraps they hand out.
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HockeyDad



batricibal optimerveribication

as soon as i learn to pronounce that, i'll never understand it,

but i will use it where ever and whenever i can.

i think it sounds like the answer to many questions including

some math problems that have not been solvable.

good on you.
robertknyc Offline
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So Rick, where is the evidence that Republicans lied? And if Obama spends totally out of control, then spends less out of control, that's good? Keep in mind that there is still a D-E-F-I-C-I-T, i.e. fiscal irresponsibility. That doesn't sound like anything common sense people can be proud of....but I guess going from really bad to just "bad" is good in liberal circles. Wow Rick, you've singlehandedly nuked conservatism....NOT.
HockeyDad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:

if the repubicans lose the congress it's all over but the sound of relief
from the poor.



I look forward to relief from the poor. I bet it will sound wonderful.
Brewha Offline
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Ah, the charitable voice of the Globalist . . . .

Sorry Bro, the Good Book says the poor will always be among us. No relief for you.
rfenst Offline
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SMIB wrote:
A liberal puke complaining about Repubs lying/????????


REALLY?


Your l.p. comment towards the OP crosses "the line".

ZRX1200 Offline
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Not everyone gets that rfenster.


Or Rick!



Hope Toby is well Uncle Rick, kids and grandkids as well.
Kidmd Offline
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It's because Michelle tore up ONE of Obama's credit cards....
Really, it is because they increased the payroll tax on the "poor" working stiff....remember Obama let the bush tax cuts expire...much to the chagrin of anyone receiving weekly pay check...when I say paycheck I mean a check for ACTUALLY doing work...
All my employees took a pay cut when these expired, I felt bad about it, but then.... You get what you deserve ..... He was voted back in.... The average middle class income has fallen about 5 grand since Obama took office... That will fall drastically when a lot of full timers are cut to part time to avoid the outrageous Obamacare regulations.... And then they are thrown to the exchanges to pay for mandated healthcare ..out of thier own pocket.....only to be subsidized by tax payers dollars....wait those taxpayers are now making 1/2 of what they were making working full time, they are now part timers.... Paying 1/2 the taxes... Uh-oh..... We need more taxes to pay for this...borrow more....TAX more.... Create MORE deficits....
" You have pass it to find put what's in it, away from the fog of all the democrats liies" ... Nacy Pelosi
You ain't never seen a jug funk until you see what' s about to happen to the greatest healthcare system in the world, thanks to the Social justice agenda of our dear prez...
This is gunna be redistribution of healthcare....yes the poor will have healthcare, but the working middle class ( who now have insurance) will have none, they will chose to pay the fine for Not having insurance because it will be cheaper
Than having to purchase it on thier own, because their employers dropped them. This will tick them off, having to pay a fine for not being able to afford insurance AND still NOT having any insurance...They will be dropped because it is cheaper for employers to drop it and pay the fines than to insure them....heck a small business has to stay profitable, ie...NO deficit or it goes out of business's....simple economics...
The poor will have insurance the middle class will not...redistrribution...
I hope all the young people see the bottom line and opt out and pay the $600 fine for NO insurance. It all hinges on
TAX! TAX! TAX!
You get what you vote for....brace yourselves!
You haven't seen the worst, yet.
Sorry for the rant.

Just a healthcare providers humble opinion.
God Bless Us All. We are gunna need it.
SMIB Offline
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SHHHHHH, bro. You're gonna confuse these liberal pukes with cold hard facts..........
HockeyDad Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Ah, the charitable voice of the Globalist . . . .

Sorry Bro, the Good Book says the poor will always be among us. No relief for you.



I thought you were an atheist?
jackconrad Offline
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thought he was a Anestesiest...
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
HockeyDad



batricibal optimerveribication

as soon as i learn to pronounce that, i'll never understand it,
but i will use it where ever and whenever i can.



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Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought you were an atheist?


Each man comes to know a God in his own way. With the possible exception of Globalists . . . .

Besides, I thought you were a believer.
Brewha Offline
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jackconrad wrote:
thought he was a Anestesiest...

Only because I feel your pain.
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