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Poll Question : Zombie recycler of choice:
Choice Votes Statistics
Eugene Stoner's AR-15 12 37 %
Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK-47 13 40 %
Neither.Just sing 'Kumbaya' and hope for the best. 7 21 %
Total 32 100%

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Zombie Apocalypse: AR-15 or AK-47?
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DadZilla3 Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 6:47 AM EST
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The Zombie Apocalypse. We all know it's going to happen. It's only a question of how soon.

Forget about the age-old questions we've argued about in the past. Celo on of off? Beads or humidifiers? Coolerdor or humidor? CC or Dominican?

So when civilization collapses and the mindless zombies start running amok, what will we use to survive the curse that's soon to be unleashed upon this great land?

Both weapons are battle proven. Both have been manufactured in the millions. Ammo for both is (sort of) plentiful. So do we go with the long range accuracy of the AR-15 or the reliability of the AK-47?
Gene363 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 6:58 AM EST
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You never know what ammo 'the other guy' has to offer as a parting gift, get one of each. You might want something in .308 as well.
dpnewell Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 7:24 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
You never know what ammo 'the other guy' has to offer as a parting gift, get one of each. You might want something in .308 as well.


Bingo! Add in 9mm and .45 ACP, and you should have most bases covered. Wait, do the Soviets still use 9x18 Makarov? If they do, I have that one covered too.
Abrignac Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 7:30 AM EST
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Hard to say. Obviously they both have pros and cons.

That being said scavenging is your friend.
engletl Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 7:34 AM EST
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Yes

Throw in a surplus Mosin Nagant or M1A1 and you are set
DadZilla3 Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 8:04 AM EST
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For close up and personal there's a lot to be said for a 12 gauge running 00 buck, but then there's the ammo weight issue.
bloody spaniard Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 11:40 AM EST
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IMHO when society breaks down, there will be very few real outlaws or resistance folks- too few to make a gnat of a difference. Armchair talk is cheap anyway. The vast majority will merely trade in their invisible chains for uniforms, tracking chips, and a monthly stipend.
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 1:17 PM EST
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Daewoo is piston driven and reliable as hell and as accurate as an AR.

An AR can be built but alot of $
stogiemonger Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 1:51 PM EST
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My double tap weapon of choice is a .22cal. long rifle, preferably with a scope. The likes of a common squirrel hunting rifle.

Ammo is cheap, easy to find, and lightweight to carry. We'll need plenty of it. lol!
robertsccr5 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 2:53 PM EST
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Why not build an AK and chamber it for 5.56? Then you don't have to worry about the reliability and that round is more readily available... Let's face it, we're not talking about going to the store and buying ammo. When the fecal matter hits the oscillator you will be scavenging from police, military etc which all use 5.56.
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 2:56 PM EST
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If I was fighting in a swamp AK without a doubt...
ZRX1200 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 2:56 PM EST
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Or you can make a silenced tube with some plumbing supplies and an oil filter.
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 2:59 PM EST
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McDonalds' straw with chunks of chewed spud and a rubber hair beret.
andytv Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 4:29 PM EST
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I was shooting ARs last week.

My SKS is WAY more fun and punches bigger holes.
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 6:23 PM EST
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With alot of piss poor ammo available....
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 7:28 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
With alot of piss poor ammo available....


Works fine in an AK 'bullet hose' as well as the SKS. Dirty burning powder, steel cases and mild steel copper plated steel projectiles are cheap and deadly.
engletl Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 7:32 PM EST
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andytv wrote:
I was shooting ARs last week.

My SKS is WAY more fun and punches bigger holes.


Have one of each...they both have their purpose for me.

My favorite toy to shoot though is my Beretta Cx4 Storm.
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#18 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 9:07 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Works fine in an AK 'bullet hose' as well as the SKS. Dirty burning powder, steel cases and mild steel copper plated steel projectiles are cheap and deadly.


Yeap, I'll shoot Wolf or Bear out of an AK all day long, but I wouldn't let that crap anywhere near an AR.
jackconrad Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 10:20 PM EST
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AR 15 all the way !
JB113 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Aug 24 2013, 10:34 PM EST
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I'm better with an ar than an ak, but the ask is a bit more reliable. I'd had to be mowing down zombies and have to clean my rifle... Maybe add a mk19 to that list too, just cause its fun.
DadZilla3 Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 12:33 AM EST
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It'd be a tough call but I really like the AR platform and although it is less forgiving than an AK with ammo quality, I figure if the best military in the world has been using it as their battle rifle for a half century it must have something going for it.

Maybe throw an FEG AK underfolder in the pack as a backup just in case...Think
robertsccr5 Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 12:50 AM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
It'd be a tough call but I really like the AR platform and although it is less forgiving than an AK with ammo quality, I figure if the best military in the world has been using it as their battle rifle for a half century it must have something going for it.

Maybe throw an FEG AK underfolder in the pack as a backup just in case...Think


lol only because its the standard rifle they provide and we are trained to quickly react and rectify malfunctions in addition to cleaning that shlt every chance you get.
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#23 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 9:28 AM EST
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Ram has a bat.... ram27bat
DadZilla3 Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 2:52 PM EST
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robertsccr5 wrote:
lol only because its the standard rifle they provide and we are trained to quickly react and rectify malfunctions in addition to cleaning that shlt every chance you get.

Very true, weapons training and maintenance are important but had a better design come along at a competitive cost per unit, no doubt the military would have long since dropped the standard AR. Other than making incremental improvements in the rifle and ammunition, it hasn't.
lannyflaherty Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 3:15 PM EST
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7.62x39mm and 5.56x39mm are two of the most abundant and available cartridges on earth. I'll take the AK, any day. Have six upper receivers, my self.

The problem isn't going to be finding weapons or maintaining their reliability...people are still firing Revolutionary War muskets with 100% reliability. The problem is going to be finding ammo, and then after a handful of years, whether or not you can manufacture blackpowder at a high enough purity and flash point to use in smokeless rifle cartridges.
engletl Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 5:50 PM EST
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lannyflaherty wrote:
7.62x39mm and 5.56x39mm are two of the most abundant and available cartridges on earth. I'll take the AK, any day. Have six upper receivers, my self.

The problem isn't going to be finding weapons or maintaining their reliability...people are still firing Revolutionary War muskets with 100% reliability. The problem is going to be finding ammo, and then after a handful of years, whether or not you can manufacture blackpowder at a high enough purity and flash point to use in smokeless rifle cartridges.


Bummer...my AR shoots 5.56 x 45 d'oh!
Smokeyjohn Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 7:54 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Yeap, I'll shoot Wolf or Bear out of an AK all day long, but I wouldn't let that crap anywhere near an AR.

I second that... That Polly coated **** will never run through my AR!
My buddy bought an AR and got a good deal on that Tulammo and shot 500 rounds through it and never cleaned it... We went shooting and I cleaned mine and he asked me to clean his....
HORRIBLE!

It gooks up every piece inside your rifle and the barrel too!

I'd have to go with AR between those two!
It's nice having a long rang rifle too, my 30-06 is crucial!
MACS Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Aug 25 2013, 11:49 PM EST
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andytv wrote:
I was shooting ARs last week.

My SKS is WAY more fun and punches bigger holes.


This. The AR-15 is a 5.56mm round... blowing apart zombie heads will be much easier with a 7.62mm (x39) round.
HockeyDad Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Aug 26 2013, 6:35 AM EST
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The zombies will eventually win.
DadZilla3 Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Aug 26 2013, 8:14 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The zombies will eventually win.

Impossible. There is no Obama Cone of Protection eligibility for zombies.
Gene363 Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Aug 26 2013, 8:47 PM EST
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AR Question, which would you pick?

Armalite M15A4T 223 Remington Semi-Automatic Tactical Rifle $1,158

or

Ruger SR-556 5.56MM 20-inch $1,300

Both have a heavy, I like to punch targets, SS barrels.
engletl Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Aug 26 2013, 8:54 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

AR Question, which would you pick?

Armalite M15A4T 223 Remington Semi-Automatic Tactical Rifle $1,158

or

Ruger SR-556 5.56MM 20-inch $1,300

Both have a heavy, I like to punch targets, SS barrels.


go with the Ruger...it is chambered for 5.56 so you can shoot both 5.56 and 223 whereas the Armalite is only chambered for the lower pressure 223 rounds
Gene363 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Aug 26 2013, 9:34 PM EST
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engletl wrote:
go with the Ruger...it is chambered for 5.56 so you can shoot both 5.56 and 223 whereas the Armalite is only chambered for the lower pressure 223 rounds


Good point, but I checked the ArmilLite specs and they say it will take both rounds:

Caliber: .223/5.56 X 45 mm NATO National Match

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=15A4TBN&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=8e8e5de6-5022-483e-812b-822e58014822

The Ruger is a piston gun so it should be a little cleaner, but I wonder if the Ruger lower can accept other uppers, i.g., a .22 upper.
DadZilla3 Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 3:00 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
The Ruger is a piston gun so it should be a little cleaner, but I wonder if the Ruger lower can accept other uppers, i.g., a .22 upper.


So far Ruger lists 3 uppers for their SR-556, all in 5.56 NATO.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr556Uppers/models.html

They do make a .22LR complete rifle, the SR-22.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Rifle/models.html
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#35 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 3:04 PM EST
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stogiemonger wrote:
My double tap weapon of choice is a .22cal. long rifle, preferably with a scope. The likes of a common squirrel hunting rifle.

Ammo is cheap, easy to find, and lightweight to carry. We'll need plenty of it. lol!


Where is 22LR cheap and easy to find these days? Same goes for 9mm. No where to be found in quantity or for cheap. ram27bat
Gene363 Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 3:30 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Where is 22LR cheap and easy to find these days? Same goes for 9mm. No where to be found in quantity or for cheap. ram27bat



Good point. No large quantities of .22 'cause they are purchased as soon as they arrive. OTOH, they do coast less than the .40 - .60 per round cost for .223 ammo.

You can find 9 mm bilk for fair not great prices.
Gene363 Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 3:34 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
So far Ruger lists 3 uppers for their SR-556, all in 5.56 NATO.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr556Uppers/models.html

They do make a .22LR complete rifle, the SR-22.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Rifle/models.html


Wow, those uppers are more than an entire firearm. d'oh!

Makes the .22 version look like a bargain. Herfing
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#38 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 8:55 PM EST
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With a Direct Impingement AR platform all you have to do is buy a 22lr Bolt Carrier Group and mag CMMG makes one of the best quality 22lr BCGs out there

not sure if it that simple to convert a piston operated AR. Don't think it is because it is the gases that operate the piston and a 22lr doesnt have muh of that
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#39 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 9:27 PM EST
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engletl wrote:
With a Direct Impingement AR platform all you have to do is buy a 22lr Bolt Carrier Group and mag CMMG makes one of the best quality 22lr BCGs out there

not sure if it that simple to convert a piston operated AR. Don't think it is because it is the gases that operate the piston and a 22lr doesnt have muh of that




I have seen AR ,22 caliber conversion bolt/magazine sets. I wonder how their accurace compares to a complete upper with a .22 LR specific barrel? The normal bore diameter of 22LR is slightly smaller that the .223 center fire round.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 9:37 PM EST
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AK.

durable and will keep shooting, and no maintenance.

The lack of accuracy compared to the AR isn't as important when your target is moving..... that........slow.
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#41 Posted: Tue, Aug 27 2013, 9:45 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

I have seen AR ,22 caliber conversion bolt/magazine sets. I wonder how their accurace compares to a complete upper with a .22 LR specific barrel? The normal bore diameter of 22LR is slightly smaller that the .223 center fire round.

propadope from these boards could better answer that question as he runs a CMMG BCG in his AR as opposed to a dedicated 22lr upper
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#42 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 7:39 AM EST
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Just an FYI.....Natchez has some of their AR ammo on sale!!! fog


http://www.natchezss.com/index.cfm

click on specials!!!
DadZilla3 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 8:03 AM EST
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Thanks Paul. Also GunBot is a handy app for finding ammo and reloading supplies. Not a fancy interface but plenty of information.

http://www.gunbot.net/
TMCTLT Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 11:33 AM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Thanks Paul. Also GunBot is a handy app for finding ammo and reloading supplies. Not a fancy interface but plenty of information.

http://www.gunbot.net/



Thank YOU for the info Dad!!! Beer Been seriously considering getting into re-loading (not sure why though, I don't really shoot enough to justify getting set up. )
Gene363 Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 1:31 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Thanks Paul. Also GunBot is a handy app for finding ammo and reloading supplies. Not a fancy interface but plenty of information.

http://www.gunbot.net/



Gunbot is very good indeed. I would add ammo seek, slightly different sources and can search more cartridges:

http://ammoseek.com/
DadZilla3 Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 5:06 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:


Gunbot is very good indeed. I would add ammo seek, slightly different sources and can search more cartridges:

http://ammoseek.com/

Ammoseek is a great resource also. ThumpUp

Once in awhile I go out to the garage and look at the old empty 100 round CCI Mini-Mag .22LR plastic slide top containers I now use for ignition wrench sets, various Allen set screws, and so on. Most boxes were priced $3.99 each.

Ouch. d'oh!
Gene363 Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 5:25 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Ammoseek is a great resource also. ThumpUp

Once in awhile I go out to the garage and look at the old empty 100 round CCI Mini-Mag .22LR plastic slide top containers I now use for ignition wrench sets, various Allen set screws, and so on. Most boxes were priced $3.99 each.

Ouch. d'oh!


Yup, the grid that held the rounds poped right out. I still have one that is full. The Mini-Mag was the most accurate hollow point round in my 10-22. Today you can add almost $15 to that price now. :(
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#48 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 8:19 PM EST
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don't forget wikiarms.com and ammoengine.com also
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#49 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 8:20 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Yup, the grid that held the rounds poped right out. I still have one that is full. The Mini-Mag was the most accurate hollow point round in my 10-22. Today you can add almost $15 to that price now. :(

That 100 ct box goes for $7-$8 here if you can catch the trucks right at wally world
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#50 Posted: Wed, Aug 28 2013, 9:20 PM EST
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engletl wrote:
don't forget wikiarms.com and ammoengine.com also


Thanks! Added to my tool kit.
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