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US flatters ‘oldest ally’ France after shock UK vote on Syria
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US Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday welcomed French support for possible military action against the Syrian regime, describing the country as America’s “oldest ally”.

After the US’s traditional ally Great Britain ruled itself out of any military strikes against the Assad regime in a parliamentary vote Thursday, Washington has looked in danger of becoming internationally isolated in its efforts to push for a military intervention.

However, French President François Hollande reaffirmed his country’s support for military action on Friday, telling French daily Le Monde that he supported taking “firm” punitive action in response to the Assad regime’s alleged use of chemical weapons.

France now looks like being the US’s only major international partner in any possible strike on Syria.

"America should feel gratified. We are not alone in our condemnation and we're not alone in our will to do something about it and to act," Kerry said.

"Our oldest ally, the French, said the regime committed this vile action and it's an outrage to use weapons that the (international) community has banned for the last 90 years in all international conventions."

Washington's warm words for France represent a significant turnaround from the hostility of a decade ago, when France refused to back the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq.

France was then viewed with such animosity by the US that there were attempts to boycott French products and French fries were renamed “freedom fries’ in some American restaurants.

The two countries have, in the past, enjoyed a close relationship, dating back to the 1775–1783 American War of Independence, when France helped the US free itself from British rule.

Christopher Harmer, of the Washington DC-based Institute for the Study of War, told FRANCE 24 that there is still a strong willingness in the US to cooperate with the French on military matters.

“We are very comfortable working with the French. (…) The French and American militaries don’t do a lot of operations together, but when they do the French perform admirably,” he said.

Nevertheless, a Franco-US offensive alliance in Syria would be a “unique situation” in modern times, says Bruno Tertrais from the Foundation of Strategic Research.

"The Americans and the French have worked together on the frontline in the past as in Lebanon in the 80s and 90s, but I don't recollect an offensive coalition comprising the Americans and the French but not the British," he told the AFP news agency.

"We are in exactly the opposite situation to 2003," added Tertrais. "The United States does not need anybody militarily. But it is extremely important for them not to be alone politically."

In something of a diplomatic snub, Kerry pointedly failed to mention Britain in Friday’s speech.

The UK’s Prime Minister David Cameron had been in favour of backing an armed intervention in Syria but his motion sanctioning military action suffered a shock defeat in parliament, something likely to weigh negatively on Britain’s so-called “special relationship” with the US.

Kerry did, however, point to support for action against Syria from a number of other nations, including those in the Arab world.

“The world is speaking out. And many friends stand ready to respond. The Arab League pledged ‘to hold the Syrian regime fully responsible for this crime’,” he said.

“Turkey said there is no doubt that the regime is responsible.

“The Australian prime minister said he didn’t want history to record that we were, ‘party to turning such a blind eye’.”
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I could sure use a couple handfuls of freedom fries about now.... Mellow
8trackdisco Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
US Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday welcomed French support for possible military action against the Syrian regime, describing the country as America’s “oldest ally”.

After the US’s traditional ally Great Britain ruled itself out of any military strikes against the Assad regime in a parliamentary vote Thursday, Washington has looked in danger of becoming internationally isolated in its efforts to push for a military intervention.

However, French President François Hollande reaffirmed his country’s support for military action on Friday, telling French daily Le Monde that he supported taking “firm” punitive action in response to the Assad regime’s alleged use of chemical weapons.

France now looks like being the US’s only major international partner in any possible strike on Syria.

"America should feel gratified. We are not alone in our condemnation and we're not alone in our will to do something about it and to act," Kerry said.

"Our oldest ally, the French, said the regime committed this vile action and it's an outrage to use weapons that the (international) community has banned for the last 90 years in all international conventions."

Washington's warm words for France represent a significant turnaround from the hostility of a decade ago, when France refused to back the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq.

France was then viewed with such animosity by the US that there were attempts to boycott French products and French fries were renamed “freedom fries’ in some American restaurants.

The two countries have, in the past, enjoyed a close relationship, dating back to the 1775–1783 American War of Independence, when France helped the US free itself from British rule.

Christopher Harmer, of the Washington DC-based Institute for the Study of War, told FRANCE 24 that there is still a strong willingness in the US to cooperate with the French on military matters.

“We are very comfortable working with the French. (…) The French and American militaries don’t do a lot of operations together, but when they do the French perform admirably,” he said.

Nevertheless, a Franco-US offensive alliance in Syria would be a “unique situation” in modern times, says Bruno Tertrais from the Foundation of Strategic Research.

"The Americans and the French have worked together on the frontline in the past as in Lebanon in the 80s and 90s, but I don't recollect an offensive coalition comprising the Americans and the French but not the British," he told the AFP news agency.

"We are in exactly the opposite situation to 2003," added Tertrais. "The United States does not need anybody militarily. But it is extremely important for them not to be alone politically."

In something of a diplomatic snub, Kerry pointedly failed to mention Britain in Friday’s speech.

The UK’s Prime Minister David Cameron had been in favour of backing an armed intervention in Syria but his motion sanctioning military action suffered a shock defeat in parliament, something likely to weigh negatively on Britain’s so-called “special relationship” with the US.

Kerry did, however, point to support for action against Syria from a number of other nations, including those in the Arab world.

“The world is speaking out. And many friends stand ready to respond. The Arab League pledged ‘to hold the Syrian regime fully responsible for this crime’,” he said.

“Turkey said there is no doubt that the regime is responsible.

“The Australian prime minister said he didn’t want history to record that we were, ‘party to turning such a blind eye’.”



All the US government needs now is the support of the Austria-Hungarian Empire.
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The only thing the FRENCH know how to do is WAVE a white flag....
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8trackdisco wrote:
All the US government needs now is the support of the Austria-Hungarian Empire.

Now that Kerry has officially buddied up to the French, I don't see him having much success in also convincing the Habsburgs to get the Austro-Hungarian Empire involved in Syria as well.

Kerry may have better luck negotiating with Montenegro, Bulgaria, Albania, and the Ottoman Empire. They've been spoiling for some payback with Syria for quite some time now.
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I've heard an 80 man Mongolian contingency team is raring to go fight in Syria. They're all good wrasslers too!
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Taps86 wrote:
The only thing the FRENCH know how to do is WAVE a white flag....



It looks like you don't pay attention to the events of the world too much.
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HockeyDad wrote:
It looks like you don't pay attention to the events of the world too much.



Really?
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Taps86 wrote:
Really?


Surrendering to the German onslaught is used as the Bill Buckner error moment for a lot of people. Forget the rest of history and define them by that moment alone, and you get a pretty false view.
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Taps86 wrote:
Really?



Really
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Now that Kerry has officially buddied up to the French, I don't see him having much success in also convincing the Habsburgs to get the Austro-Hungarian Empire involved in Syria as well.

Kerry may have better luck negotiating with Montenegro, Bulgaria, Albania, and the Ottoman Empire. They've been spoiling for some payback with Syria for quite some time now.


Don't forget the Serbs. The are exquisite archduke hunters.
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The Serbs are peace loving people. Not at all like Americans.
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HockeyDad wrote:
The Serbs are peace loving people. Not at all like Americans.

Really? Then why are the Serbs still p*ssed off because we refused their constant demands to buy nuclear powered attack submarines?
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Really? Then why are the Serbs still p*ssed off because we refused their constant demands to buy nuclear powered attack submarines?



You have them confused with the Swedes
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HockeyDad wrote:
You have them confused with the Swedes

Ah. Well, those people all look alike to me.
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Ah. Well, those people all look alike to me.



Yeah.

Feminine.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Serbs come from proud Slav stock. Fought well for what was theirs until Slick & NATO bombed them.

So what's the verdict on France? Will the Algerian French support Bluto's quest to punish al-Assad for bombing Pearl Harbor??
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The French population is against getting involved in a war with Syria. 64% against.

France already has troops in Mali, Ivory Coast, Chad, Lebanon, and Afghanistan and stay busy fighting Islamists in those areas.
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They should handle those little pricks that burned the cars in Paris.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Ahh, go on. Let 'em have some fun destroying modern technology. Where else but in a civilized European society could those savages burn cars w/o getting eyes gouged or limbs hacked off???

HockeyDad wrote:
The French population is against getting involved in a war with Syria. 64% against.
France already has troops in Mali, Ivory Coast, Chad, Lebanon, and Afghanistan and stay busy fighting Islamists in those areas.

Latest I've heard is that French involvement is next to nil.
Perhaps Major Boner can still lead his Republican cavalry to Bluto Blutarsky's rescue...
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Ahh, go on. Let 'em have some fun destroying modern technology. Where else but in a civilized European society could those savages burn cars w/o getting eyes gouged or limbs hacked off???


Latest I've heard is that French involvement is next to nil.
Perhaps Major Boner can still lead his Republican cavalry to Bluto Blutarsky's rescue...



France can use air-launched cruise missiles like they deployed in Labiya but would need to either forward-deploy the aircraft to a closer country (there are some already in United Arab Emirates) or use their aircraft carrier. The carrier is in port and would need a couple of days at sea to get into range.
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The better do it soon. Their military is about to go on maternity leave...
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jpotts wrote:
The better do it soon. Their military is about to go on maternity leave...



When trees bark at airplanes.
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HockeyDad wrote:
When trees bark at airplanes.



Isn't the outside of the tree called "bark?"

Ok, so maybe not maternity leave. But I believe their military is being treated for a nasty yeast infection it caught in April...
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