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I doubt we will. We got the Patriot Act, cameras on every street corner, the NSA monitoring all phone calls, and the NSA tapping into the internet.

Meanwhile, we're arming Al Qaeda....



U.S. weapons reaching Syrian rebels

By Ernesto Londoño and Greg Miller, Published: September 11

The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.

The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.

The arms are being delivered as the United States is also shipping new types of nonlethal gear to rebels. That aid includes vehicles, sophisticated communications equipment and advanced combat medical kits.

U.S. officials hope that, taken together, the weapons and gear will boost the profile and prowess of rebel fighters in a conflict that started about 2 1/2 years ago.

Although the Obama administration signaled months ago that it would increase aid to Syrian rebels, the efforts have lagged because of the logistical challenges involved in delivering equipment in a war zone and officials’ fears that any assistance could wind up in the hands of jihadists. Secretary of State John F. Kerry had promised in April that the nonlethal aid would start flowing “in a matter of weeks.”

Weapons the CIA bought from Islamic extremists in Libya and given to Islamic extremists in Syria don't really count as "American".

despite the political aftermath and legit disdain for government power grab, I for one will never forget 9/11 and would not smear the memory of it.

I understand what your saying Frank... 9/11 is nothing to joke about and nobody should forget... unfortunatly we now have two separate attacks on 9/11.. People were lost in, granted not on the same scale, but Bengazi does scream coverup and I have a problem with the government with it.... to watch Obama during the debates play this thing made me sick... hopefully the truth will finally come out and we can grieve for both equally as terrorist attacks...

yes I know... I had my moment of silence.. but later I was pissed.. the truth will come out....

go make another drink...

To make money?

Speaking of paint, how much have you huffed today?

You say that like huffing paint is a bad thing.

In all seriousness, my wife and her friends (structural civil engineers) cannot explain the almost symmetrical "telescoping" of both towers. The heat/positioning of the fires could not have been more perfect. We'll never know other than what the folks in charge want us to know. Maybe it WAS just the work of wild-eyed, booze swilling, white woman leering, fervent Saudi muslims. Who knows? I don't trust the "experts" trotted out for mass consumption any more.

I'm no engineer. But I'll take lex parsimoniae in this case.

Multiple floors were compromised in the original event. Upon failure, it would make sense they would drop vs. going in some horizontal direction. As the floors piled upon floors, each would fail faster and it would seem it would exactly telescope to the pavement.

I've seen the documentaries that included engineers who were involved in the construction of the towers. They are able to explain how and why it failed. I believe the building was designed to withstand an air plane strike, but the assumption was it would be an errant private plane, not a fully fueled passenger jet at several hundred mph.

I can't watch any of the 9/11 truther stuff without some booze, Xanax, a foil hat, and a liberal willingness to reach out and let go of reality for a while. Those who buy into it still base it all on the dumbest president in the history of the world was somehow able to mastermind this gigantic tragedy (9 months into his first term), and no one on the "team" has stepped forward to rat him out. At least no one who isn't a fugitive from a strait jacket.

Hell, no one had a problem believing some skinhead hick could roll up in front of the Alfred P. Murrah building in a U-haul loaded with nitro methane and fertilizer and take the place down. Don't know why the twin towers is such a stretch.

I've about had my fill of Muslim drama for another week. Heading back over to see if there's anything new in the oatmeal cookie thread.

I am.

And even of you believe the physics defining explanations for the twin tower collapses, it takes genuine ignorance to watch the film of building 7 implode due to a 'fire' and buy it. Not stupidity, ignorance proper.

It is an interesting point of science though; the 'laws of physics' can be overwritten by the 'golden rule'.

I'd heard same but we'll never really know why the towers collapsed more neatly than a planned Vegas casino demolition.
All I know is that the normally hardy conifer "tree of hope" is dying at ground zero.

I don't know much about building 7 but I can see 12,000 gallons of jet fuel melting some I-beams... were those jihad pilots really that well trained that they could crash into a specific floor already painted with explosives..?? why did it take a couple hours to fall then...

Building 7 is the real puzzler and I find it interesting that the American public hasn't heavily questioned this one!!!
I will NEVER believe that the towers fell " on their own " based solely on two jetliners hitting them

Since jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel it may explain the couple of hours; the jihad pilots brought along thermite and fire proof suits. It took a few hours for them to go floor to floor rigging the beams to blow . . . .

What is interesting is the things that can reasonably be ruled out;
Total structural failure due to fire of a steel structure building. WTCs are unique in this.
Pancake collapse. This could not happen at free fall speeds, and it is not demonstrated as a real world failure mode.
Hidden design flaws. Two different building designs, both conventional.

This would leave three engineering possiblites; something new and unthought of, divine intervention or demolition.

With one final risk of

I know these guys at MIT were probably in on the conspiracy, but for anyone interested:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html#authors

Since the incident was and is unprecedented, perhaps things happened that not everyone can just immediately explain or understand.

I suppose it's a lot more fun to think of Bush and Cheney in their ninja outfits pressing the detonator buttons from a Starbucks up the street. But what the hell. We still have people who claim they have definitive evidence the moon landings were faked. Oh, and they also have scientific "proof" the Holocaust never happened, aliens pre-select our presidents, and Elvis and Tupac are still alive.

Got the DT's again Wheel?

I'm with snowwolf on this. I cannot in good conscience claim that the idiot bush was able to mastermind himself into his slacks every morning, let along pull something like this off.

In all honesty, people aren't clever, smart or loyal enough to pull off conspiracies for any length of time. All it takes is one person.

This is one of America's great problems; science and dispassionate observation are now maters of politics or religious instruction.

What the hell, checkers sells more than chess.

One of the problems with the 9/11 conspiracy theories is they all tried to point it back to Bush and Cheney.

"Follow the money" is usually a better approach than "pin it on a political opponent." If there was a conspiracy, there wasn't a single component of it that needed Bush or Cheney or even anyone in the government.

This, the crap from the Warren Commission, corporate/government "altruism", outsourcing of complete industries, hybrid seeds, vaccines, Obamacare... There is just so much that makes no sense when you analyze its components carefully. Just enough truth mixed with bullshiite to make it palatable for the lemming masses.

As you said, the unique collapse of the towers by jets may have been a once in a lifetime irrefutable happening but it hasn't been structurally explained to our satisfaction so far. Perhaps some day it will be. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...

ya, same happpens if you question Bengazi...