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ZRX1200 Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 3:50 PM EST
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http://personalliberty.com/2013/10/08/outrageous-military-waste-and-government-shutdown-nonsense/
bloody spaniard Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 4:08 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
If you complain about the government teat and which one you got assigned but won't get off, the government should be demanding a 75% discount. I'm outraged that they're overspending!

The Government is like any other client. It takes bids and awards them usually to the lowest BIDDER unless of course there's a quota, corrupt mandate (GSA etc.), or a large corporate entity being gifted a no-compete by political cronies for their wonderful capabilities & uniqueness in doing $9 loads of laundry & warm $12+ salisbury steaks in Iraq. Besides, you're looking at it backwards, if it weren't for me, Shovelgrrl, and the rest of the small business community (not the corporate sector) that maintains & feeds the Government cow, this country would look like the rundown parts of Florida. and you would be driving your Vespa scooter over cow shiite on dirt roads.

Don't give up hope however, once small business is done, your Orwellian dream will come true.



I gotta check out your link, Master Z.
HockeyDad Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 4:26 PM EST
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Prove it.

You and the rest of the small business community should quit doing business with the Federal government. If you were maintaining and feeding the government cow, the cow dies. If you were sucking from the cow, well....the government will be fine.
bloody spaniard Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 4:40 PM EST
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It's symbiotic. We feed the cow and drink it's milk. When it gets out of control or too large, we will slice off a steak or two & patch it with mud.
Ancient Egyptians swore by it- a fresh supply of food as they marched.

Besides, Government work is minimal these days. The corporate ho's, NIB, and janitorial are the only ones thriving.
HockeyDad Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 4:53 PM EST
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It really isn't symbolic because you have no ability to slice off a steak or two.

Quit doing business with the Federal government would at least be a symbolic gesture. I don't see anyone lining up to do that. This is exactly why the government can do what it is doing to its employees and suppliers. You will get what you get and like it.
bloody spaniard Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 4:58 PM EST
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shovelgrrrl wrote:
I'm fortunate in that the Feds only make up a little more than half of our billable time right now. I have other clients and other cases who actually pay, in advance. Usually the Feds make up only 20% of my work, but I was awarded two big cases in late summer and those cases wound up ballooning and taking up more and more time. They're asking me to continue working without pay on these cases.

It means I'm not getting paid for hundreds of hours of work that I did between July and October, but with any luck I'll have enough private clients to keep my head above water until the Feds pay up. Which at this rate, might be next year.

By the way, since the Feds are closed, student loan disbursements won't be going out this semester. If they don't open back up soon, a lot of kids will be tossed out of college. Nice, huh? -B

Just caught this in the midst of my ongoing, friendly slap fight with zee HD.
Doesn't sound as futile now, Shovelgrrl, especially if your overhead is "manageable". The next big client may be an email or client reference away.
We try to stay in touch with clients and prospects via electronic mail a couple of times a month.

Best of luck, Beth(?). Keep us posted. I don't think this situation will last more than a few more weeks.
bloody spaniard Offline
#107 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 5:05 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It really isn't symbolic because you have no ability to slice off a steak or two.

Quit doing business with the Federal government would at least be a symbolic gesture. I don't see anyone lining up to do that. This is exactly why the government can do what it is doing to its employees and suppliers. You will get what you get and like it.

You so silly. It's moot at this point.
Like I said, there's nothing there except for a select few. Take it up with them.
There are some who are taking this corrupt Government and Javitz-Wagner-O'Day to task in court. This may level the playing field again some day.
HockeyDad Offline
#108 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 5:26 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
There are some who are taking this corrupt Government and Javitz-Wagner-O'Day to task in court. This may level the playing field again some day.



They've going after the Javitz-Wagner-O'Day act, it is mean to hate blind people because they get to suck from a better teat!

(I remember doing some contract work for the US Geological Survey a long time ago and they begged me for rubber bands. Theirs were all made by blind people and snapped under any tension!)
teedubbya Offline
#109 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 5:30 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
They've going after the Javitz-Wagner-O'Day act, it is mean to hate blind people because they get to suck from a better teat!

(I remember doing some contract work for the US Geological Survey a long time ago and they begged me for rubber bands. Theirs were all made by blind people and snapped under any tension!)


A similar story is behind bloody's conception from what I hear.
jpotts Offline
#110 Posted: Tue, Oct 8 2013, 10:47 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The Government is like any other client. It takes bids and awards them usually to the lowest BIDDER unless of course there's a quota, corrupt mandate (GSA etc.), or a large corporate entity being gifted a no-compete by political cronies for their wonderful capabilities & uniqueness in doing $9 loads of laundry & warm $12+ salisbury steaks in Iraq. Besides, you're looking at it backwards, if it weren't for me, Shovelgrrl, and the rest of the small business community (not the corporate sector) that maintains & feeds the Government cow, this country would look like the rundown parts of Florida...



Ummm...I live near Detroit. Michigan. The run down places in Florida look like Paradise by comparison.

Ya really need to dig deeper on that one...
DrafterX Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 9:10 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
A similar story is behind bloody's conception from what I hear.



d'oh!
DrafterX Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Oct 9 2013, 9:11 AM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Ummm...I live near Detroit. Michigan. The run down places in Florida look like Paradise by comparison.

Ya really need to dig deeper on that one...



are there Mad Max vehicles and stuff.... Huh
shovelgrrrl Offline
#113 Posted: Thu, Oct 10 2013, 6:55 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
You so silly. It's moot at this point.


It doesn't feel moot to me as I head to the bank to try and take out a loan on my accounts receivable. -B
wheelrite Offline
#114 Posted: Thu, Oct 10 2013, 7:14 PM EST
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shovelgrrrl wrote:
It doesn't feel moot to me as I head to the bank to try and take out a loan on my accounts receivable. -B


Don't go to a bank...

There a hundreds of Incoming Receivable companies that will give you cash for a better fee and much faster,,,


hang in there ...

and next time bank up 120 day working capitol account,,,

No business can survive on a shoe string,,,


wheel,,
HockeyDad Offline
#115 Posted: Thu, Oct 10 2013, 7:31 PM EST
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shovelgrrrl wrote:
It doesn't feel moot to me as I head to the bank to try and take out a loan on my accounts receivable. -B



Get a bank that will "factor" the invoices.

(The bank basically. "Buys" the invoice from you at a discount, say 96%.
shovelgrrrl Offline
#116 Posted: Fri, Oct 11 2013, 10:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Get a bank that will "factor" the invoices.

(The bank basically. "Buys" the invoice from you at a discount, say 96%.


I don't want to factor my AR, because those companies get rights to future AR. Just heading to the credit union that holds our retainer account for a loan on AR. Good times.
shovelgrrrl Offline
#117 Posted: Fri, Oct 11 2013, 10:30 AM EST
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What's the shutdown about again?

Oh yeah, Obama Care. It passed both houses of Congress and was upheld by the Supremes, but even still we'd rather shut down the government than fund it. (And no, I'm not a big fan of Obama Care, it's making my health care costs as a small business owner almost double, but its not worth what I'm losing with the shutdown).

Oh, wait, it's not about Obama Care, it's about raising the debt ceiling or defaulting on loans for the first time in our nation's history.

Oh, wait, it's not about either of those things, it's about the economy.

Oops, the Federal government is responsible for 38% of all private business conducted in most states? (Like New Mexico - where Sandia Labs and Los Alamos National Labs are about to shut down).

Oh, it's not about the economy...it's about...something....or maybe just a tea party temper tantrum. Who knows. It just sucks.
bloody spaniard Offline
#118 Posted: Fri, Oct 11 2013, 10:37 AM EST
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shovelgrrrl wrote:
I don't want to factor my AR, because those companies get rights to future AR. Just heading to the credit union that holds our retainer account for a loan on AR. Good times.

good point
retainer account = line of credit?
teedubbya Offline
#119 Posted: Fri, Oct 11 2013, 11:53 AM EST
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shovelgrrrl wrote:
What's the shutdown about again?

Oh yeah, Obama Care. It passed both houses of Congress and was upheld by the Supremes, but even still we'd rather shut down the government than fund it. (And no, I'm not a big fan of Obama Care, it's making my health care costs as a small business owner almost double, but its not worth what I'm losing with the shutdown).

Oh, wait, it's not about Obama Care, it's about raising the debt ceiling or defaulting on loans for the first time in our nation's history.

Oh, wait, it's not about either of those things, it's about the economy.

Oops, the Federal government is responsible for 38% of all private business conducted in most states? (Like New Mexico - where Sandia Labs and Los Alamos National Labs are about to shut down).

Oh, it's not about the economy...it's about...something....or maybe just a tea party temper tantrum. Who knows. It just sucks.


the sad part is obamacare is already funded so the shutdown doesn't touch it
shovelgrrrl Offline
#120 Posted: Mon, Oct 14 2013, 6:04 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
good point
retainer account = line of credit?


Retainer account is like an attorney's trust account. Clients pay in advance, except the Federal government who won't do it, then their bill is deducted from their retainer and the remainder is returned.
tailgater Offline
#121 Posted: Tue, Oct 15 2013, 9:03 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
the sad part is obamacare is already funded so the shutdown doesn't touch it


You have a very loose definition of the term "funded".
Shell-game financing doesn't equate to funding.
pdxstogieman Offline
#122 Posted: Wed, Oct 16 2013, 2:30 AM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
My take? (Not that anyone asked for it...) I would have a lot more respect for the Tea Party Republicans if they had the courage to separate the the Obamacare defunding vote from the budget process and did not hold our nation's financial footing hostage to their desire to counteract a) the 2012 election and b) the Supreme Court's affirmation of the ACA.


Rfenst and you are the only ones on this thread who don't have their heads up their @$$es on this subject.
banderl Offline
#123 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 5:44 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
“While the White House operatives may think this attack is clever, it betrays an astonishing elitism: the federal government is perfect and requires no reform. That is why they have no plan to make our government leaner and more efficient. The President had 18 months to develop reforms to improve the government, but instead he announced furloughs of federal workers as a political cudgel. Yet, his golf weekend at the yacht club with Tiger Woods cost taxpayers over a million dollars—enough money to save 341 federal workers from furlough,”

Film at 11.... Think




LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
banderl Offline
#124 Posted: Sat, Jan 20 2018, 6:06 PM EST
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"Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it."
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