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Obama on Obamacare: “We did raise taxes on some things.”
DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
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and I agree... I don't want to see it shut down either... but it won't be the end of the world if it does... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#52 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,354
wheelrite wrote:
Hey Brewha really is a good dude, although a commie ****,,,

seriously,,,


wheel,


I know. He and have actually spoken. We just find little we argree on politically.
Abrignac Offline
#53 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,354
Brewha wrote:
Oh. Well if you had participated in the elections and watched the debates you would have heard about Obamacare before.

Just sayin'


For what it's worth, I've voted in every election held in my voting precincts for the past 30 years. I watched most of the debates, if that's what you want to call them. But, as they say, the devil is in the details and few details were shared before it was passed.
DadZilla3 Offline
#54 Posted:
Joined: 01-17-2009
Posts: 4,633
Brewha wrote:
The uneducated masses are largely conservative Republicans. And really, who the hell understands what they think.

Yep, quite unlike the largely sophisticated and erudite liberal Democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
rfenst Offline
#55 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,403
DrafterX wrote:
I dunno... but they sure make it sound bad now... I never noticed back then.... plus how bad can a 24 hour shutdown be..?? they make it sound like months... just a minor detail left out on accident I'm sure... Mellow


It is bad. Very bad. The economy is still fragile now. We have worldwide news and updates everywhere 24/7 now. Everyone knows exactly what is going on all over the world.and it has been beaten into our heads. Technology intertwines worldwide. The dollar is no longer overwhelmingly dominant like it used to be...
Abrignac Offline
#56 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
It is bad. Very bad. The economy is still fragile now. We have worldwide news and updates everywhere 24/7 now. Everyone knows exactly what is going on all over the world.and it has been beaten into our heads. Technology intertwines worldwide. The dollar is no longer overwhelmingly dominant like it used to be...



The current situation is a product of Majority Rules. Is there a better system? Not that I've seen.

This piece of legislation was forced through Congress on a paper thin majority vote with a win at all cost attitude. Assuming the Dems would continue to have a controlling majority in both houses as well as their man in the White House this is a done deal. But, therein lays the fatal flaw in this plan.

As soon as this was passed, the Dems lost control of the House. So now the Repubs are exercising their will over the very same group of people who in essence told them to fucq off. So now the those on the left are saying those on the right are shutting down the government. To think that a single person would hold either party solely to blame for the sorry state of affairs is an insult to the intelligence of everyone.

The government has for all intents and purposes been dysfunctional for some time now. What it now resembles is a bad marriage where each partner goes back 20 years in history to dig up some trifling tidbit of minutiae to cast blame away itself and towards the other partner.

The notion that majority rules may be a is a fact of life, but that doesn't mean it's the best solution in all situations. At some point our leaders need to learn to work with each other for the common good of the nation, not to help each other get elected.
dubleuhb Offline
#57 Posted:
Joined: 03-20-2011
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Brewha wrote:
No, it was touted as "affordable healthcare". You thinking of the "read my lips, no new taxes" speach.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-quietly-deletes-reference-free-health-care_757348.html

Care to elaborate ?
Brewha Offline
#58 Posted:
Joined: 01-25-2010
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wheelrite wrote:
Hey Brewha really is a good dude, although a commie ****,,,

seriously,,,


wheel,

You really are too kind Wheel.

But “commie” is soooo nineteen fifties. You really need to work on that.
As far as the ”****” goes, Hey, who can argue with that?
bloody spaniard Offline
#59 Posted:
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Why are you considered a "commie", Brewha?
Are you in favor of redistributing the stuff from the "I got mine, you get yours" crowd?
Lou Sanis Offline
#60 Posted:
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I think it's his Stalin uniform.
bloody spaniard Offline
#61 Posted:
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Perhaps he needs a romantic beret and beard like Che who also wore the same uniform.Gonz
HockeyDad Offline
#62 Posted:
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Buncha thieves in redistributionist clothing.
Lou Sanis Offline
#63 Posted:
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From the Salvation Army?
bloody spaniard Offline
#64 Posted:
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They (including the Salvation Army) already took my stuff. That's all right, I'm not against sharing a bit. I just want some of it back.Beer
Brewha Offline
#65 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
For what it's worth, I've voted in every election held in my voting precincts for the past 30 years. I watched most of the debates, if that's what you want to call them. But, as they say, the devil is in the details and few details were shared before it was passed.

I suppose like most far reaching laws/reforms it is a complex thing with at least a few mysteries and things to work out.
Did the Gov web site answer most of your questions?
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted:
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I'd just go straight to Snopes... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#67 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Yep, quite unlike the largely sophisticated and erudite liberal Democrats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio


Look DZ this Obamaphone stuff is NOT FUNNY!

I never got my free upgrade to an iPhone 5 and NOW the 5S is out. I hobble along day after day with my poor old iPhone 4S with NO HELP from the guvmut – not even a free car charger.
Brewha Offline
#68 Posted:
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dubleuhb wrote:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-website-quietly-deletes-reference-free-health-care_757348.html

Care to elaborate ?

Try to remember that free is just another word for nothing left to loose . . .
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:

I never got my free upgrade to an iPhone 5 and NOW the 5S is out. I hobble along day after day with my poor old iPhone 4S with NO HELP from the guvmut – not even a free car charger.



Call Toll Free: 1-800-830-4590 and express your outrage.... they'll help.. ThumpUp
Brewha Offline
#70 Posted:
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Why are you considered a "commie", Brewha?
Are you in favor of redistributing the stuff from the "I got mine, you get yours" crowd?

If a pronouncement from Wheel makes me a “commie” then each and every one of us is in trouble. Deep trouble.

I am no more a commie than Wheel is a fascist.
Ok – bad example.

I think the literal interpretation of Wheel’s statement is that I don’t vote the way he does.
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:


I am no more a commie than Wheel is a midget.
Ok – bad example.




Fixed it
dubleuhb Offline
#72 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Try to remember that free is just another word for nothing left to loose . . .

So the ''free healthcare'' for all was a lie as advertised, thanks for clearing that up.
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted:
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dubleuhb wrote:
So the ''free healthcare'' for all was a lie as advertised, thanks for clearing that up.

Go eat your popcorn.
victor809 Offline
#74 Posted:
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Free healthcare...

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is my (admittedly amateur) assessment of it.

Obamacare simply mandates that every person in the US has to give an insurance company money.
The insurance companies are suddenly willing to insure those high-risk/pre-existing people because the healthy young people (who probably wouldn't bother buying insurance otherwise) are forced to pay into the system.

Of course, that sounds like a great deal for the insurance companies... or at least one where they aren't getting screwed.
Probably, the people who are now paying for insurance who have a lower income will get some additional income tax breaks/credits for it as well... so that will make sure those young, healthy people who probably aren't earning a ton yet (think typical 22 year old), subsidized by higher taxes elsewhere.

I need to go into the health insurance racket.
jpotts Offline
#75 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
No, it was touted as "affordable healthcare". You thinking of the "read my lips, no new taxes" speach.



Yeah, "affordable" means "subsidized by someone else."

You are such a sap...
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