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150th anniversary of the Gettysburg address
jetblasted Offline
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Today's the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg address & Obama ignores it like he ignored the laying of the wreath at Arlington's unknown soldier.

ram27bat
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Well he didn't know the guy at Arlington.
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If you like your Gettyburg address, you can keep it.
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Maybe in Kenya they still think it was the war of northern aggression. It's good to see southerners rallying around the union however.
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jetblasted wrote:
Today's the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg address & Obama ignores it like he ignored the laying of the wreath at Arlington's unknown soldier.

ram27bat



I guess you meant to say that he ignored Arlington by laying the wreath on the tomb?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/27/president-obama-lays-wreath-speaks-at-arlington-national-cemetery/

Or was it all staged like the moon landings?Sarcasm
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BW . . . He ignored the ceremony a few years ago to party in Chicago.

It's just another of many occasions that he's thumbed his nose at history & reverance . . .
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"President Barack Obama declined an invitation, and parks officials say Rutherford B. Hayes is the last sitting president to attend a Nov. 19 event in Gettysburg."



http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/nov/19/gettysburg-address-event-mark-150th-anniversary/
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The Gettysburg Address is statist propaganda.
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.... That all men are created equal.... 'Cept the black ones, of course.
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8trackdisco wrote:
.... That all men are created equal.... 'Cept the black ones, of course.

To paraphrase George Orwell...

All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
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He apparently chose to read one of the versions of the Gettysburg Address that eliminated the word "God".
This country needs an enema. Our pc brainz are plugged up.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
He apparently chose to read one of the versions of the Gettysburg Address that eliminated the word "God".
This country needs an enema. Our pc brainz are plugged up.


Actually it was chosen for him by Ken Burns because they wanted to reflect all 5 versions ... He was given one of the oldest versions, and from what I understand one considered to be likely the most accurate version. <=========== Not going to edit that, but I was wrong (sort of). There is nothing PC happening here however.




However, it's categorically not accurate to say that Obama removed or left out the words from his recitation. That's because there are five different copies of the Gettysburg Address penned by Lincoln himself. Three of them, versions of the speech provided by Lincoln to various fundraisers after he delivered the speech, include the phrase "under God." Those are the Everett Copy, the Bancroft Copy, and the Bliss copy. The two manuscripts believed to be written down in preparation for the speech itself omit it. Obama was reading from one of those two earlier versions, the Nicolay Copy, better known as the "first draft." The project's website now clarifies that Obama read the Nicolay copy at the request of filmmaker Ken Burns, in part because of the speech's historical significance. Its one of two manuscripts of the speech held by the Library of Congress. Here it is:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that “all men are created equal.”

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle field of that war. We come to dedicate a portion of it, as a final resting place for those who died here, that the nation might live. This we may, in all propriety do.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate – we can not consecrate – we can not hallow, this ground – The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have hallowed it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here; while it can never forget what they did here.

It is rather for us, the living, we here be dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that, from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here, gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve these dead shall not have died in vain; that the nation, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

The remaining version that omits "under God" is the Hay Copy, which the Gettysburg Foundation pegs as probably the closest in phrasing to what Lincoln actually said. It was either written down just before or just after the speech itself. Many of the Burns project's participants, however, read from the Bliss copy, which is undoubtedly the most popular of the five. That copy is in the Lincoln Bedroom. The Bliss version reads:


Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

No one really knows what the exact version of Lincoln's brief speech was that day. Plus, Lincoln intentionally revised and refined the speech after its actual delivery for future use. But there is some evidence that he added the words "under God" into the finale on the fly: as the AP notes, three newswires of the speech included it in their versions. That's enough for many experts to posit that Lincoln said those words, and added them to the record later.


That and allah just didn't flow
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The guy sucks so bad that the moronic birther, islam, socialist, bowing, not respecting history garbage that is largely patently false just cheapens the argument.
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teedubbya wrote:
Actually it was chosen for him by Ken Burns because they wanted to reflect all 7 versions ... He was given one of the oldest versions, and from what I understand one considered to be likely the most accurate version.
That and allah just didn't flow

You think? Back then they weren't afraid to praise God or give Him credit for all good and ask for His guidance.
Nowadays, we take polls before taking a stand and avoid offending anyone (especially mooslims who will hurt us) except for Christians and white guys. Those brought the hate on themselves.
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Note the irony? Our current President is a superficial lightweight & yet everything he does is controversial.
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Think You got Tourettes again or just forget how to post?
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this wasn't. a bunch of uneducated idiots thought so but anyone putting more than a minute or two of thought into it didn't. To some folks anyhting he does will be wrong. That doesn't necessarily make them smirt, it makes them obsessive.
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God wasn't at Gettysburg
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Think You got Tourettes again or just forget how to post?


It was a weird post. I thought I was editing but it quoted and I didn't think you would want to read the same thing twice.

Must be my colitus acting up again.
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teedubbya wrote:
this wasn't. a bunch of uneducated idiots thought so but anyone putting more than a minute or two of thought into it didn't. To some folks anyhting he does will be wrong. That doesn't necessarily make them smirt.

I really don't know why folks nitpick Obama on little things like this when there's such a smorgasboard buffet trail of ineptitude, cowardice, corruption, & lies to feast on and behold. How and why this man was elected, much less re-elected, I'll never know.

I've always said, we are a small, childlike people with short memories. Now we just have to accept and embrace it otherwise we'll just get tummyaches and colitis/ulcers or worse.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I really don't know why folks nitpick Obama on little things like this when there's such a smorgasboard buffet trail of ineptitude, cowardice, corruption, & lies to feast on and behold. How and why this man was elected, much less re-elected, I'll never know.

I've always said, we are a small, childlike people with short memories. Now we just have to accept and embrace it otherwise we'll just get tummyaches and colitis/ulcers or worse.


Agreed. The guy is a moron. If you focus on totally wrong **** like this it allows his cheerleaders to deflect from the crap that is true (like the first time he met the aliens and sold his sole (yes he sold part of his shoe) to hale bop)
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teedubbya wrote:
Agreed. The guy is a moron. If you focus on totally wrong **** like this it allows his cheerleaders to deflect from the crap that is true (like the first time he met the aliens and sold his sole (yes he sold part of his shoe) to hale bop)

LMAO!! Your strange humor sometimes uppercuts me outta my huaraches when I least expect it. Holy smokes! I need help. LOL
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I like HL mencken's summary of the Gettysburg address, particularly the highlighted portion:

Quote:

The Gettysburg speech is at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history. Put beside it, all the whoopings of the Websters, Sumners and Everetts seem gaudy and silly. It is eloquence brought to a pellucid and almost child-like perfection—the highest emotion reduced to one graceful and irresistible gesture. Nothing else precisely like it is to be found in the whole range of oratory. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous.

But let us not forget that it is oratory, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it! Put it into the cold words of everyday! The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination — “that government of the people, by the people, for the people,” should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in that battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves. What was the practical effect of the battle of Gettysburg? What else than the destruction of the old sovereignty of the States, i. e., of the people of the States? The Confederates went into battle an absolutely free people; they came out with their freedom subject to the supervision and vote of the rest of the country—and for nearly twenty years that vote was so effective that they enjoyed scarcely any freedom at all. Am I the first American to note the fundamental nonsensicality of the Gettysburg address? If so, I plead my aesthetic joy in it in amelioration of the sacrilege.
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Gene363 wrote:
I like HL mencken's summary of the Gettysburg address, particularly the highlighted portion:

Excellent. Mencken was spot on. ThumpUp
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Excellent. Mencken was spot on. ThumpUp


not,,,

Why would Lincoln give a speech honoring the Rebs ?

and the Confederacy wasn't about freedom ?


jeez...
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"...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Too late... it's fkin dead already. Our government is of the politicians, by the politicians, and for the politicians and the retarded electorate is too damn STUPID to realize they are being bribed for their votes with their own damn money.
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MACS wrote:
"...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Too late... it's fkin dead already. Our government is of the politicians, by the politicians, and for the politicians and the retarded electorate is too damn STUPID to realize they are being bribed for their votes with their own damn money.


Why yes, yes, we are! (chest out, strutting about like a proud peacock with a load in pants)ThumpUp
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Unfortunatley no one could hear most of the speech because everyone was loudly asking each other " What the hell is a score???"..
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MACS wrote:
"...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Too late... it's fkin dead already. Our government is of the politicians, by the politicians, and for the politicians and the retarded electorate is too damn STUPID to realize they are being bribed for their votes with their own damn money.


Pretty much.
Frying pan
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Lincoln was a Democrat…there was even a plaque that said so…Let my people go!!!
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as i recall it was a warm day and the air smelled like an ice box with food gone bad.

he looked stupid in that stove pipe hat, but unlike todays politicians he said what he had

to say and left quickly wiith a cool beer waiting for him in his coach drawn by the borrowed

budwiser horses. he hd to get home and shoot a turkey for thanksgiving.

no one remembers whether he said in god we trust.


so there are at least 4 or 5 different versions.

in ken burns documentry he asked president obama to read the one without the

reference to god and the repubicans are all atwitter that the president left out god.

a twitter, if you are not familiar is a bird that flys on ever decreasing circles

until it flys up it's own ass and disappears, only to come back out again on groundhogs day.
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Rick, do you remember using iceboxes that required blocks of ice? Kinda like the shorts with Laurel & Hardy and the Stooges going up those steep steps... or am I thinking of a piano?
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
the repubicans are all atwitter that the president left out god.

a twitter, if you are not familiar is a bird that flys on ever decreasing circles

until it flys up it's own ass and disappears, only to come back out again on groundhogs day.


And THIS is a prefect example of why I love Rick's posts. Don't ever let the haters drive you out, Rick.
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I betcha you did, Ricardo. Prolly lived on the Coney Island boardwalk too.
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well we finally had someone weigh in that was actually there. I guess that settles things.
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Rick was the guy in the back waving the Confederate flag. Always a rebel...
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I heard he left before Lincolns speech because he found out they were out of green jello
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Not only that but he did a reverse contract with his slaves so they could end up owning HIM.
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teedubbya wrote:
well we finally had someone weigh in that was actually there. I guess that settles things.

Don't exaggerate. We all know darn well Rick wasn't even born until three years later. Shame on you
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Why yes, yes, we are! (chest out, strutting about like a proud peacock with a load in pants)ThumpUp


Obviously I meant the people who rely on government assistance to survive. Charity should come from the church, not the government. If the government wants to build up the middle class, like they SAY they do, they need to make it easier for businesses to profit HERE so they won't move overseas.
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blood.

i was born at the israel zion in brooklyn and lived a few blocks fom the beach

in coney island.

we lived in a rooming house that faced the trolley tracks.

all the people living there were renting a room and sharing a toilet and kitchen.

i think i was 4 or 5 and know one in the family worried about me walking to the

beach and wading in the water. when we lived in the prject when i was 7 or 8, i ued

to take the subway to the museum of natural history in manhatten with my egg salad

sandwhich and a dim for milk. i don't remember pedophiles being discussed.

i realloy don't undestand why not, they musthave been around pedophiles can't be a new

psychosis. i can't understand it at all.

i know that at nathens, just off the beach you could get a hot dog or a chow mien sandwich

for a dime.


i remember we used to go to stienway ave to shoplift from five and dimes, never in our own neighborhood.
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I could listen to your wonderful stories for hours... and have.Herfing


MACS wrote:
"...that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
Too late... it's fkin dead already. Our government is of the politicians, by the politicians, and for the politicians and the retarded electorate is too damn STUPID to realize they are being bribed for their votes with their own damn money.



MACS wrote:
Obviously I meant the people who rely on government assistance to survive. Charity should come from the church, not the government. If the government wants to build up the middle class, like they SAY they do, they need to make it easier for businesses to profit HERE so they won't move overseas.



No need to explain, brother Shawn. I found your original post insightful, succinct and spot- on.
If I had to take slight issue with you it would be on the followup. I don't trust churches to help much any more. I've seen many in action first hand. Many are self- sustaining, almost business like entities first. Not exactly missionaries who have taken the oath of poverty as they work among the indigent like Mother Theresas. So yes, some Government intervention is needed especially during bad economic times when folks hoard or cut back for survival.

No, you're right, the middle class business community, which is our best chance, is being killed off slowly... We are slowing being transformed into a Government dependent vassals. It's a shame.
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bloody spaniard wrote:

No need to explain, brother Shawn. I found your original post insightful, succinct and spot- on.
If I had to take slight issue with you it would be on the followup. I don't trust churches to help much any more. I've seen many in action first hand. Many are self- sustaining, almost business like entities first. Not exactly missionaries who have taken the oath of poverty as they work among the indigent like Mother Theresas. So yes, some Government intervention is needed especially during bad economic times when folks hoard or cut back for survival.

No, you're right, the middle class business community, which is our best chance, is being killed off slowly... We are slowing being transformed into a Government dependent vassals. It's a shame.


Valid points, Ramon. Church isn't like it was back when... and I don't mind the government stepping in to help people when they really need it, I guess my issue is the nanny state we've become. Politicians promise to give free stuff in the hopes it will garner them more votes... and it's working.

Honestly, I don't know what the hell we need to do to fix it. I wish I did... but I DO know our system is broken badly. We can't go on like we are. Somewhere between the rhetoric from the left and the right is the answer, maybe?
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MACS wrote:
Valid points, Ramon. Church isn't like it was back when... and I don't mind the government stepping in to help people when they really need it, I guess my issue is the nanny state we've become. Politicians promise to give free stuff in the hopes it will garner them more votes... and it's working.

Honestly, I don't know what the hell we need to do to fix it. I wish I did... but I DO know our system is broken badly. We can't go on like we are. Somewhere between the rhetoric from the left and the right is the answer, maybe?


I just don't know anymore either, brother. I just don't know. Some of us thought that when the Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress that would resolve the problem but it didn't. Bush and gang acted like Democrats with a little more red/white/blue rhetoric thrown in for good measure. Wars, open borders, business restrictive legislation, political correctness, islamic threat (replacing communism), vanished industrial sector, job outsourcing, fake green industries, monopolies, a flacid open market, etc. have bled us and are turning us into the Sick Man of the West (take off on Ottoman Empire) beholding to China and having our diplomatic and military enclaves constantly tested much like the ancient and once powerful Turkish empire among others.

Some people think things are fine and just undergoing cyclical discomfort. They are either rich (for now), work for the Government, have IT or oil jobs (or niches- law, pharma, pawnshops, etc.), out of touch pensioners, or just plain stoopid IMO.

I REALLY don't know what to do.
Ripe times for a dictator.
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[quote=RICKAMAVEN]a chow mien sandwich for a dime.[quote]
Huh
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