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cacman Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2014, 1:04 PM EST
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The American taxpayers lost billions saving GM. Now Chrysler is being completely taken over by Fiat.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/01/news/companies/fiat-chrysler/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Does America even make its own cars anymore, or does the UAW just make cars for foreign companies??? Who's left… GM & Ford?

And this is the same guberment you want to entrust with running your healthcare???
LMFAO!!!
kombat96 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2014, 1:09 PM EST
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What are you reeeeeally trying to say
jpotts Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2014, 1:13 PM EST
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While I was at Ford, I can tell you that virtually every Ford employee was chest-thumping that THEY didn't need a gubbmint bailout. They have a right to be proud. They were actually run by a businessman.

In the end, however, the Big Three are going down the toilet. Inevitably, they will end up being subsidized by the taxpayers because they inevitably cannot keep up with ever increasing CAFE, safety, and emissions standards while making a profit. People in government (read: radical progressives) think that there is this magical Tech Fairy that will turn money into technological advancements by simply waving a wand. That is how they view innovation: simply a matter of spending money.

The result will be a bankrupt economy.

Some innovations require other innovations to occur in order to be feasible. No amount of money can spur someone's imagination. It has to happen organically.

Then again, what else would you expect from the same morons who - with their lovely Masters and PhDs from prestigious Ivy League universities - racked up 17 trillion in debt?
Bur Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 2 2014, 1:46 PM EST
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You mean the Executive Branch taking property by decree (throwing out centuries of bankruptcy law precedent), nationalizing private business, selling assets seized from individuals to a foreign company and then selling remaining assets at a loss adding to aforementioned 17T debt?

Yeah, I see no problems with that economically, politically or morally.
cacman Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 1:53 AM EST
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Henry Ford invented the Automobile, but the American Union killed the US auto industry. Or was it healthcare costs? Let's raise everyone's minimum wage to $15/hr too - a pay-cut to everyone else.
It's a crying shame that the country that invented the automobile, can't produce the most innovative product.
China's on the moon and we're still watching Voyager 1.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 2:56 AM EST
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Fat pigs got their way and cut their own throat.
TMCTLT Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 9:32 AM EST
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And even if they ( all 3 ) we're making the very best automobiles on Earth, people would still be driving foreign!!!
Perhaps if our Federal Gov. We're as interested in giving the Big 3 the SAME tax breaks etc that the AFTA gave the rest of the world they could still be competitive ( I agree the Unions have become far too powerful and I personally saw guys who DID NOT deserve their good paying job saved by the union time and again) So I attribute their failure on more than just one issue. And both Ford and GM Are making cars that stack up against about anything out there! they just cost a bit more and folks can't / won't do the math on supporting these companies.

The Chrysler Corporation on the other hand has been struggling for decades and has received bailouts before they should be allowed to FAIL.

And in the end, I justify their bailout this way. These companies produce a product that everyone of us need / want / use....why unless our very elected officials are deeply invested in foreign entities would they give them a clear edge over American held companies? And where's all the HATRED for the banking industry who seems to get a pass in this conversation???? They are far more culpable than those who are at least producing a "product we all use"
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 10:42 AM EST
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I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?
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#9 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 10:44 AM EST
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Think
there's prolly not a tv repairman within a hundred miles of me..... Think
TMCTLT Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 10:50 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?



I couldn't agree more BW!! I did however have our Vizio ( never Never but their product again) repaired but it was on them. He'll the better question is how many keep their automobiles longer than 3 yrs ( lease period for most)????
Both of my last two pick ups I bought new (1988) and (2000) Chevy and GMC ....I had for 12-14 yrs and ZerO issues with either one, the 88 had 276,000 miles when I sold it for $2000 and my neighbor drove it another 3-4 yrs before giving to his nephew. My 2000 currently has 238,000 and is going strong as an ox AND still looks good considering it has NEVER been garaged. Proud to drive American here.....proud as HELL!!! fog
GhostTown Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 11:50 AM EST
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All my cars are Chevy/GM. Gearing up to buy a new one this spring.
bloody spaniard Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 12:18 PM EST
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I heard some Italian company (Fiat?) is making my beloved Jeep out of China...d'oh!

But not to worry, for in 2016 our country turns it's lonely eyes to another Bush or Clinton hero... Laugh
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 2:18 PM EST
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Now the union folks at Boeing in Washington state want out of a contract that guarantees steady work for years to come from a new aircraft...
Something about not wanting to replace their Boeing pensions with 401K plans.
Wonder if they're taking a page out of the Detroit union book?

Sarcasm
MACS Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 2:50 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?


If we're talking electronics I will agree, Julian. If we're talking vehicles I have to disagree. I buy Japanese cars because of their reliability and value. I owned 2 American cars and they both sucked. I've had countless Japanese cars with little to no mechanical issues.
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#15 Posted: Fri, Jan 3 2014, 7:52 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I heard some Italian company (Fiat?) is making my beloved Jeep out of China...d'oh!

But not to worry, for in 2016 our country turns it's lonely eyes to another Bush or Clinton hero... Laugh



Think

Mittens said the same thing and they called him a liar…then they announced plans to open plants in China…GM too.
Brewha Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Jan 4 2014, 12:02 AM EST
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jpotts wrote:
While I was at Ford, I can tell you that virtually every Ford employee was chest-thumping that THEY didn't need a gubbmint bailout. They have a right to be proud. They were actually run by a businessman.

In the end, however, the Big Three are going down the toilet. Inevitably, they will end up being subsidized by the taxpayers because they inevitably cannot keep up with ever increasing CAFE, safety, and emissions standards while making a profit. People in government (read: radical progressives) think that there is this magical Tech Fairy that will turn money into technological advancements by simply waving a wand. That is how they view innovation: simply a matter of spending money.

The result will be a bankrupt economy.

Some innovations require other innovations to occur in order to be feasible. No amount of money can spur someone's imagination. It has to happen organically.

Then again, what else would you expect from the same morons who - with their lovely Masters and PhDs from prestigious Ivy League universities - racked up 17 trillion in debt?

Emission control and mandated efficiency standards alway equal bankruptcy.


If we just deregulate we will all be wealth . . . .
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Jan 4 2014, 8:16 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Emission control and mandated efficiency standards alway equal bankruptcy.


If we just deregulate we will all be wealth . . . .



You speak the language of the peasant.
TMCTLT Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Jan 4 2014, 8:22 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
If we're talking electronics I will agree, Julian. If we're talking vehicles I have to disagree. I buy Japanese cars because of their reliability and value. I owned 2 American cars and they both sucked. I've had countless Japanese cars with little to no mechanical issues.



So I'm curious...which two American cars and how long ago?
Abrignac Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Jan 4 2014, 11:53 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?


Isn't the TV Repairman hanging out with the Maytag Repairman on a beach in Bora Bora enjoying Mai Tai's brought them by topless native ladies while CROS is nearby snoozing in a hammock tied between palm trees?
MACS Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jan 4 2014, 4:47 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
So I'm curious...which two American cars and how long ago?


84 Chevy chevette and an 86 Olds firenza. I understand that American cars have improved their reliability, but they still aren't as good as Japan. This isn't just my opinion, it's what consumer reports and other companies like JD power, et al are reporting.

Heavy duty trucks... different animal. We dominate.
TMCTLT Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 3:25 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
84 Chevy chevette and an 86 Olds firenza. I understand that American cars have improved their reliability, but they still aren't as good as Japan. This isn't just my opinion, it's what consumer reports and other companies like JD power, et al are reporting.

Heavy duty trucks... different animal. We dominate.



Try purchasing a real automobile from them.....d'oh!

Car reviews mean little to me, I ask real people who've bought and owned one. To each....keep on supporting Japan
Brewha Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 3:34 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You speak the language of the peasant.

Thank you. You know I have always been a cumming linguist . . . .
Brewha Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 3:58 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
84 Chevy chevette and an 86 Olds firenza. I understand that American cars have improved their reliability, but they still aren't as good as Japan. This isn't just my opinion, it's what consumer reports and other companies like JD power, et al are reporting.

Heavy duty trucks... different animal. We dominate.

Last consumer reports I read on car reliablity had the big three out of Japan on top, America in the middle, and the big three out of Germany dead last.

I have had a good cross section of cars and worked on lots more. The Japs have the reliability, but it is nothing you don't pay for. GM and Ford can be good values. And I'm sorry, but I have no respect for the over priced German POS's so many people drool over, and yes, I had one.

The still drive a 2003 Infiniti I bought new. And some minor issues aside it has been bullet proof.
wheelrite Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 4:09 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Henry Ford invented the Automobile, but the American Union killed the US auto industry. Or was it healthcare costs? Let's raise everyone's minimum wage to $15/hr too - a pay-cut to everyone else.
It's a crying shame that the country that invented the automobile, can't produce the most innovative product.
China's on the moon and we're still watching Voyager 1.


Henry Ford DID not invent the automobile. Karl Benz did (founder of Mercedes Benz a German car company) in 1885.

Ford invented the assembly line,,,,

Beer
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 4:31 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Try purchasing a real automobile from them.....d'oh!

Car reviews mean little to me, I ask real people who've bought and owned one. To each....keep on supporting Japan


I can do one better than "asking real people". I'll go by my own experience. Owned 8 Japanese cars and they have all done great by me.

Brewha wrote:
Last consumer reports I read on car reliablity had the big three out of Japan on top, America in the middle, and the big three out of Germany dead last.

I have had a good cross section of cars and worked on lots more. The Japs have the reliability, but it is nothing you don't pay for. GM and Ford can be good values. And I'm sorry, but I have no respect for the over priced German POS's so many people drool over, and yes, I had one.

The still drive a 2003 Infiniti I bought new. And some minor issues aside it has been bullet proof.


I'm on my 2nd. 2004 G35 and 2011 G37. Head and shoulders above the Germans. 99% of the car for 80% of the price.

The German cars look great, and perform great too... but the German engineering expires with the warranty.

I'd buy American first, I think.
Abrignac Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 4:41 PM EST
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I drove the wheels oft a '99 Mazda Milennia S. Finally junked it in 2013 at 226,000. Parts were too expensive and too hard to find to keep it running.

At about 120,000 miles the supercharger belt tension pully locked up and threw the belt. It also tore the wire to the crankshaft position sensor. Repair shop wanted $2100 for repairs. I picked it up on the back of my friend's 20 ft trailer and sourced the parts myself. The best price I could find on the tension pulley was about $300 from a Mazda dealership out of North Carolina. MSRP for a new one was $365 and no parts house carried a generic version. The other parts cost about $300. Total cost to tow it to the shop then trailor it home plus parts was about $800.

Three months later the tension pulley for the accessory drive belt locked up and busted the belt. All I had to replace was the pulley and belt. My friend meet me with his trailer so no towing bill. Only had to get a pulley and belt this time. Repair cost was about $375 including shipping for parts.

The tranny finally died and the best repair estimate I could get was $2500. By then, I had two bent rims that required adding air to the tires every other day even with a quart of green slime in each one. All the ball joints were shot. The front end was so out of alignment the last pair of front tires had exposed belts on one side and 1/4" of thread on the other side. The tilt steering motor was dead as was the AC.

I tried parting it out. I listed some parts on the internet with no takers so after it sat 8 months I junked it to pull-a-part for $325.
Bur Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 5:11 PM EST
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How much in beer did having the friend with the 20ft trailer "on call" cost you?

LOL
Brewha Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 9:04 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I can do one better than "asking real people". I'll go by my own experience. Owned 8 Japanese cars and they have all done great by me.



I'm on my 2nd. 2004 G35 and 2011 G37. Head and shoulders above the Germans. 99% of the car for 80% of the price.

The German cars look great, and perform great too... but the German engineering expires with the warranty.

I'd buy American first, I think.

Infiniti G series? Damn, you have got good taste!
For what it's worth, just bought the wife a new Murano. Its got the same leather interior as the Infiniti and the rear seats have a power fold down/up (she has a bad back). I highly recommend.

As far as Das German autos, I could tell you horror stories all night. Having spent years working with German engineers (in a related industry ) I can tell you this; there is the right way, the wrong way, and the German way.
Brewha Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 9:20 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I drove the wheels oft a '99 Mazda Milennia S. Finally junked it in 2013 at 226,000. Parts were too expensive and too hard to find to keep it running.

At about 120,000 miles the supercharger belt tension pully locked up and threw the belt. It also tore the wire to the crankshaft position sensor. Repair shop wanted $2100 for repairs. I picked it up on the back of my friend's 20 ft trailer and sourced the parts myself. The best price I could find on the tension pulley was about $300 from a Mazda dealership out of North Carolina. MSRP for a new one was $365 and no parts house carried a generic version. The other parts cost about $300. Total cost to tow it to the shop then trailor it home plus parts was about $800.

Three months later the tension pulley for the accessory drive belt locked up and busted the belt. All I had to replace was the pulley and belt. My friend meet me with his trailer so no towing bill. Only had to get a pulley and belt this time. Repair cost was about $375 including shipping for parts.

The tranny finally died and the best repair estimate I could get was $2500. By then, I had two bent rims that required adding air to the tires every other day even with a quart of green slime in each one. All the ball joints were shot. The front end was so out of alignment the last pair of front tires had exposed belts on one side and 1/4" of thread on the other side. The tilt steering motor was dead as was the AC.

I tried parting it out. I listed some parts on the internet with no takers so after it sat 8 months I junked it to pull-a-part for $325.


I had a 2005 Mazda 6 I bought new on a dealer close out for six grand off the sticker. It had a V6 and the sport package. My job kept me on the road those day and I drove the wheels off of it with no real problems. The car was tight, but the V6 was all Ford - nothing to write home about.

Still, having driven six dozen comparable rental cars, I give the Mazda its propers - it handled better than most anything in its class.
Abrignac Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 10:36 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I had a 2005 Mazda 6 I bought new on a dealer close out for six grand off the sticker. It had a V6 and the sport package. My job kept me on the road those day and I drove the wheels off of it with no real problems. The car was tight, but the V6 was all Ford - nothing to write home about.

Still, having driven six dozen comparable rental cars, I give the Mazda its propers - it handled better than most anything in its class.


The funny thing about the tension pulley's on the Milennia, they looked exactly like the ones from a Crown Vic, but one bolt hole was about 1/4 inch off. It retailed for about $50 bucks. Go figure.

The odometer on the S model went up to 160. When it was about a year old I took it to 148 on I-95 between Richmond and Fredericksburg. In it's day it was a smooth riding car. The S model had a factory super charger and a tight suspension.

I miss that car.
MACS Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 10:37 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Infiniti G series? Damn, you have got good taste!
For what it's worth, just bought the wife a new Murano. Its got the same leather interior as the Infiniti and the rear seats have a power fold down/up (she has a bad back). I highly recommend.

As far as Das German autos, I could tell you horror stories all night. Having spent years working with German engineers (in a related industry ) I can tell you this; there is the right way, the wrong way, and the German way.


My wife has a '12 ES 350. The Infinitis have the performance down, the Lexus has the luxury down. Her interior is much better than mine. That car is meant to be 'cruised'. I like to 'drive'! I have bolstered sport seats that keep me planted when cornering. Her car has no bolsters and too much body roll for my liking.

A friend of a friend has a Murano that I rode in after having a few drinks (he was designated driver) and it was damn nice inside. Soft leather, backup camera, Nav... it was sweet.
wheelrite Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 10:43 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
The funny thing about the tension pulley's on the Milennia, they looked exactly like the ones from a Crown Vic, but one bolt hole was about 1/4 inch off. It retailed for about $50 bucks. Go figure.

The odometer on the S model went up to 160. When it was about a year old I took it to 148 on I-95 between Richmond and Fredericksburg. In it's day it was a smooth riding car. The S model had a factory super charger and a tight suspension.

I miss that car.


Speedometer, Right ?
MACS Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 10:44 PM EST
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I'm sure that's what he meant.
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Jan 5 2014, 10:52 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Speedometer, Right ?



That's correct Wheel. It is that thing that you have to sit on a pot to see. The accelerator is that thing on the right that you mash with a stick.
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#35 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 5:32 AM EST
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A couple of years ago I bought my first Japanese car after a lifetime of buying American (with the ill-advised single exception of my first car being British), a Subaru Forester. So far so good. No problems at all, with the exception of the dealer's service department not being able to understand what a 5-tire rotation is.

I figure I'd get good value from a car that was designed in a culture where the engineers, as kids, got an ulcer when they had less than a straight 'A' average on their report cards.
cacman Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 8:07 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Henry Ford DID not invent the automobile. Karl Benz did (founder of Mercedes Benz a German car company) in 1885.

Ford invented the assembly line,,,,

You got me there, but it's still no excuse for what's happened to American Auto Industry.

http://www.hfmgv.org wrote:
Henry Ford did not invent the automobile. He didn’t even invent the assembly line. But more than any other single individual, he was responsible for transforming the automobile from an invention of unknown utility into an innovation that profoundly shaped the 20th century and continues to affect our lives today.

He failed with his first two companies before he succeeded with Ford Motor Company.

The idea for using a moving assembly line for car production came from the meat-packing industry.

He was one of the nation's foremost opponents of labor unions in the 1930s and was the last automobile manufacturer to unionize his work force.

Ford mobilized his factories for the war effort and produced bombers, Jeeps, and tanks for World War II.
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#37 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 9:03 AM EST
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cacman

henry didn't invent the automoile. he didn't invent anything.

what he did do was refine the assembly line so that litle people

with little minds, ie putsman. could get a job and not have to

depend on govt assistance to survive.


my first job after i completed my 4 years in the air force paid 50 cents an hour.

i was a trained "tinner." i plugged in a a lead heater until the lead melted and

as wire with 1/2 inch of the rubber shielding had been stripped by the "wire stripper,"

came down he line with the half inch of wire exposed, i twisted the wie, for which i got

no extraq money, nor credit, and dipped the end of the wire into the melted lead

so the next man down could solder the wire to something.

i don't know what the end product was i just took home less then $20.00 a week

because the boss took money from my $20.00 and sent it to washington to pay the

government dues.
cacman Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 10:36 AM EST
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Rick - guess you missed my post above correcting myself about Ford.
Your 1st job sounds a lot like this:
http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/hf/Henry_Ford_Legacy.asp wrote:
High wage, low skilled factory jobs pioneered by Ford accelerated both immigration from overseas and the movement of Americans from the farms to the cities. The same jobs also accelerated the movement of the same people into an ever expanding middle class. In a dramatic demonstration of the law of unintended consequences, the creation of huge numbers of low skilled workers gave rise in the 1930s to industrial unionism as a potent social and political force.


And you thought you should have got extra money and credit for twisting a wire??? That's the main problem with the attitude of the American union, and the reason we are no longer the top producers and innovators.
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#39 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 10:50 AM EST
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Rick invented twisting the wire.... Mellow


Let's twist again.. like we did last summer... Whistle Whistle
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#40 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:10 AM EST
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Went out this morning after receiving 13" of snow and temps now minus -9 and our 1999 Chevy Venture van that has 230, 000 miles and has Never been garaged in its life......and it started right up!!! Owning a car in the mid- west is a different animal. Oh and of course my 2000 GMC pick up and our sons 2006 Monte Carlo also fired right up......fog
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#41 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:12 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Went out this morning after receiving 13" of snow and temps now minus -9 and our 1999 Chevy Venture van that has 230, 000 miles and has Never been garaged in its life......and it started right up!!! fog



prolly cause the wires are twisted... ThumpUp
GhostTown Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:23 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Went out this morning after receiving 13" of snow and temps now minus -9 and our 1999 Chevy Venture van that has 230, 000 miles and has Never been garaged in its life......and it started right up!!! Owning a car in the mid- west is a different animal. Oh and of course my 2000 GMC pick up and our sons 2006 Monte Carlo also fired right up......fog


Awesome.

I have a '72 K5 Blazer and a '65 Pontiac. Two pumps on the pedal and they'll both fire up in sub-degree weather.
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#43 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:27 AM EST
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I'll never own a Government Motors vehicle.
ZRX1200 Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:28 AM EST
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And Rick........my Grandpa made 3 cents a DAY picking pears during the depression.
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#45 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:47 AM EST
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ZRX1200

perhaps he wasn't trained as a "professonal pear picker"
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:54 AM EST
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because henry, that's what who knew him called him, was a big buyer

and because he was he could tell his suppliers how to ship the products.

he designed a wood shipping crate that when it was taken apart to remove

what he ordered, the crate was already cut to become his floor board.
GhostTown Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 11:54 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I'll never own a Government Motors vehicle.


I'm happy as hell they were saved and have rebounded.

Gonna get the wife a new SS sedan this spring.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 12:02 PM EST
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i bought a new 95 chrysler lhs because i could almost reach the pedals and

the hood sloped down so i could see over it.

i finally paid it off and that is my primary and only car. it just turned 62,000

miles for the first time and all it needs are new wiper blades
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#49 Posted: Mon, Jan 6 2014, 12:06 PM EST
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since toby has been declared legally blind, when i buy a pair of wiper blades i get a spare.
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#50 Posted: Tue, Jan 7 2014, 6:11 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I'll never own a Government Motors vehicle.



Yeah you all keep on supporting a foreign government.....makes sense to med'oh!
If our government made foreign competitors operate under the same rules they'd be suffering too. Give the big three the same ground rules, tax breaks etc. and let's see what happens.
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