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Extending unemployment insurance
cacman Offline
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Extending unemployment insurance actually creates jobs!!!!
DrafterX Offline
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Think
sd72 Offline
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I'm torn. The money goes back into the economy, instead of other wasteful gov programs. But why look for work if you get a gov paycheck.
cacman Offline
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Fire up the printing presses! Pump more false money into the economy.
The Dem0cratic Job Plan: Continue to pay people to stay out of work for over a year, and raise the minimum wage to $15/hr. Their statistics prove this creates jobs and puts more people to work.

How are we going to pay for it? Who cares!!! It's the common-sense thing to do.
sd72 Offline
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Ya, that's the torn part. Yet there's always gonna be a percentage who really needs help. Maybe if they got a budget per year, and benefits ended when it was gone?
bloody spaniard Offline
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sd72 wrote:
Ya, that's the torn part. Yet there's always gonna be a percentage who really needs help. Maybe if they got a budget per year, and benefits ended when it was gone?

Exactly & it's an insurance with "premiums" (actually taxes) paid for by employers- some of whom are self-employed. Yes, it takes away some of the incentive to work especially from single folks living with parents but on the whole, recipients receive a pittance of what's necessary to maintain a family with basics.

Sure, cut back on this but then also cut back on the billions wasted on early government pensions, bogus social security disability, research grants for silly & junk research, corporate (and industry) bailouts, nation rebuilding, blank checks written to military and green contractors, yada yada yada.

At the end of the day I's rather temporarily "help" the working man after his job's outsourced. You'd be surprised at how many 40 year old guys in their prime of (working) life can't find replacement jobs & are now working in service industries. If nothing else, unemployment can help pay for re-training or school.

Just my two cents.
DrafterX Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
If nothing else, unemployment can help pay for re-training or school.



there's a separate fund for that..... just gotta apply and follow thru... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Exactly & it's an insurance with "premiums" (actually taxes) paid for by employers- some of whom are self-employed. Yes, it takes away some of the incentive to work especially from single folks living with parents but on the whole, recipients receive a pittance of what's necessary to maintain a family with basics.

Sure, cut back on this but then also cut back on the billions wasted on early government pensions, bogus social security disability, research grants for silly & junk research, corporate (and industry) bailouts, nation rebuilding, blank checks written to military and green contractors, yada yada yada.

At the end of the day I's rather temporarily "help" the working man after his job's outsourced. You'd be surprised at how many 40 year old guys in their prime of (working) life can't find replacement jobs & are now working in service industries. If nothing else, unemployment can help pay for re-training or school.

Just my two cents.

I never really knew you way back when, but I sense you are reassessing your view of reality. I tend to agree with much of what you posted...which puts you in deep crapola.
bloody spaniard Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I never really knew you way back when, but I sense you are reassessing your view of reality. I tend to agree with much of what you posted...which puts you in deep crapola.

As a college student for Nixon and founding member of Friends of Dan Quayle I hadn't planned it that way, Frank. I think my epiphany began under Bush Sr when he alienated us Reaganites with his one world political shiite & contempt for conservatives and continued when I told junior to take a hike after his disastrous first term & threw a White House invite into the garbage pail where it belonged.

I think I'm somewhat justified in taking the road I took, and no, I don't think that we're in deep crapola at all. lol I feel good albeit a little disappointed by the institutional lies however.
deadeyedick Offline
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Torn also but I don't feel it is much of a deal killer for congress to come up with the savings to pay for an extension out of other expenditures instead of just piling on more debt. It's gotta stop somewhere.

DED
itsawaldo Offline
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cacman wrote:
Extending unemployment insurance actually creates jobs!!!!


I heard they are now setting up pension plans for long term unemployed. They pay nothing in and after 5 years they are fully vested and can withdraw 150% of their unemployment for life. This way it will look like unemployment is lowered but really they will be pensioned off.

It's true I read it on the internet.

Sarcasm
wheelrite Offline
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who cares,,,

All your Bitttchin won't change a thing.

Do what what you can for you and your's...

and FFF the rest,,,,


( this reality moment has been brought to you by)

wheel,

RICKAMAVEN Offline
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cacman

yep
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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sd72

who the hell can live on 230.bucks a week. can you?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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get the rerpublicans and the tea party out of congress and we can survive
DrafterX Offline
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LOL
triodes Offline
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One type of unemployment benefit system that might work well would be with the level of benefits decreasing each week.

say 100% of benefit level first week, 98% second week and so on to 0 % on the fiftyfirst week.

As an employer for over 35 years operating multiple bricks and mortar locations, IMO the whole system is a sham.

In NC and SC, I have fired more than several employees for cause and they get benefits. Last one I documented fraud, violations of state regulations, forgery of required state records, a number of reasons that any sane person would have fired them. Was allowed to send the documents in but was not allowed to be at a hearing to present my case. The former employee was granted benefits.

I used to give people a shot at proving themselves. Hire them part time, see if they can help build revenue and increase profits by their performance. Sometimes that worked out, sometimes it didn't.

Now, knowing that anyone who is sorry, doesn't show up for work and is fired for cause and yet will still increase my unemployment tax rate do you think I give anybody a shot? Hell no. I go to great lengths to not hire anybody until I really need them and only if they are a known quantity to me. You have no experience and wonder how you can get experience if can't get hired without experience? Your problem, not mine.

Whatever happened to individuals being responsible for their life and their actions?

Sure, there are people in real need. There always have, and there always will be. Should these people not have saved for a rainy day? Why should someone that they worked for, or the other citizens of this country support them?

Yep, life's a bitch. Anyone that thinks otherwise isn't being realistic.

Increasing government intrusion, regulations, paperwork, etc, is making it harder and harder for small businesses to operate.

I cannot see how increasing the burdens on small businesses will create any jobs.

I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, I think they are all crooks. I am far more of a libertarian than any other persuasion.

Life's tough, be prepared. Stuff happens. Sure, I am prejudiced because I am an employer. Who do you think is paying for all of this largess?

Well, some of it is being paid by the great printing press of the Federal Reserve. Which means that we will all pay in the end.

Bottom line, individuals are responsible for their life and their situation, not their employer or the government.

IMO, anyhow.



Ram27 Offline
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Tri, don't you have the right to file an appeal and go before a referee and to present your case? PA usually automatically approves UEC , employer files a repeal for denial of benefits based on their documentation and case goes to referee for his decision based on employers information. Favorite cause for denial of benefits in PA is " Willful misconduct".
triodes Offline
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Ram27 wrote:
Tri, don't you have the right to file an appeal and go before a referee and to present your case?


Supposedly. Last time in SC, I was not allowed to do so and told I did not have the right. I was allowed to send in documentation, which was quite well prepared. I was not allowed to be present when the former employee was confronted with the documentation.

What happens in my experience in both North Carolina and South Carolina has been that they find in favor of the employee unless they shot and killed someone in the workplace.

I lost several that I believed I should have easily won, got quite legal in my firing of employees, documenting warnings, etc. Took managers and other employees as witnesses to the hearings when I was allowed to do so.

Same result.

SC actually changed their laws recently to prevent someone being fired for cause from drawing unemployment benefits. They did this because the fund was going bankrupt and required a federal bailout that has to be paid back.

I do think the declining benefit system would work.

There are procedures for an employer to follow to dispute a claim that supposedly work.

it's a kangaroo court in favor of the employee.

F!ck em, it's a better business practice and increases my bottom line to be positioned as I now am on this matter.

Sucks for the people who come by and send me unsolicited resumes, though.

Not my problem.
cacman Offline
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Once hired an Employee through PA's Unemployment Program. Will never do it again. Kid only worked 25-30hr/week and was slower than molasses. After he was let go, he collected more on unemployment than he earned working, and more than I earned as owner of the company. Although he only worked 25-30hrs/week he was compensated as though he worked 40hrs. Tried to appeal the PA UEC decision, only to be told our UEC rate for the company was being raised to 14% (not 1.4%) and the rate would be in effect for 2yrs until the balance was equaled. I told the State that they just fired every one of my employees, including myself as owner of the company. If I as the owner can not collect the "insurance" there was no way in hell I was paying for it - especially at 14%. Kid tried to use our company as a reference, only to come to a harsh understanding of why he wasn't being hired. He no longer uses us as a reference.

I was on unemployment once in the early 80's right before my daughter was born. Was given 3-months of benefits, had to apply for 3 more (total of 6 months of benefits) and had to document each week the jobs I applied for in order to keep receiving benefits. All of which had to be claimed on tax returns and "paid back". As a "requirement" of UEC we where forced into the welfare system receiving free milk, cheese, additional monies, etc for the baby. I went back to work before UEC benefits expired. But it was more difficult to get OUT of the welfare system as they kept insisting we needed and deserved it, although we didn't want it. IMHO one of the most embarrassing things is having to pay for groceries with food stamps, and wait in line for milk & cheese.
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republicans no heart, democrats no brains welcome to the ultimate dog and pony show. friends of dan dan quayle ! any friend of dan dan is a friend of mine
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triodes wrote:
What happens in my experience in both North Carolina and South Carolina has been that they find in favor of the employee unless they shot and killed someone in the workplace.


One time an agent for UEC called to get some more information on a former employee filing a claim. Knowing UEC would most likely approve the unemployment (though not deserved), I just came out and told them that very thing...that "it really didn't matter what I answered since the only way they would deny uemployment is if the employee committed some type of work place violence." After a short pause of awkward silence, the agent thanked me for the information, and went on her way.
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bobsnook

now that you mention his name, i wonder what he is doing now
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l[color=darkredlet us not forget his wise sayings..a heart beat away from the presidency.

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