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What do we need now to fix our country? More liberals, more conservatives, or more pragmatists?
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gryphonms Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 12:59 PM EST
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I feel that nationally we are beating a dead horse with the liberal/conservative debate and gridlock.
horse

I think we need to take a pragmatic direction of fixing what needs fixed which might mean a liberal solution or a conservative solution depending on the problem.

Your thoughts.
bloody spaniard Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 1:08 PM EST
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That ship has already sailed.
But wait... Think we idiots COULD use more Sir LeBrown James entertainment, obsessing on bridge shutdowns ,uhhh, and hate crimes to investigate, yeah!

Sarcasm
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 1:35 PM EST
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I think the powers that be have an interest in keeping the bipartisan fighting going. That’s why we only hear about wedge issues while many real issues are swept under the rug. They talk all day about abortion and welfare knowing that these are issues that people will always disagree upon. Mean while Monsanto get “special” legislation passed and corporations gain the rights of a person. It’s called divide and conquer and it works like a hose.

Remember that cons and libs disagree on many details, but both really want what is best for the country – if only they could agree on what that might be.

There is propaganda on both sides of the aisle, and it is more effective than we know.
bloody spaniard Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 1:41 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think the powers that be have an interest in keeping the bipartisan fighting going. That’s why we only hear about wedge issues while many real issues are swept under the rug. They talk all day about abortion and welfare knowing that these are issues that people will always disagree upon. Mean while Monsanto get “special” legislation passed and corporations gain the rights of a person. It’s called divide and conquer and it works like a hose.

Remember that cons and libs disagree on many details, but both really want what is best for the country – if only they could agree on what that might be.

There is propaganda on both sides of the aisle, and it is more effective than we know.

I've become a cynic on this. I believe they want what's in THEIR best interest. The proof of the pudding is in the eating , action speaks louder than words, yada yada yada had enough? There's no such thing as Mother Theresas in politics. They're liars and thieves who think very highly of themselves as they divvy up the diminishing pie for themselves and their benefactors.
Brewha Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 2:15 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I've become a cynic on this. I believe they want what's in THEIR best interest. The proof of the pudding is in the eating , action speaks louder than words, yada yada yada had enough? There's no such thing as Mother Theresas in politics. They're liars and thieves who think very highly of themselves as they divvy up the diminishing pie for themselves and their benefactors.

Point taken Bloody, There certainly are many who care only for themselves.
Perhaps it really is nothing more than a war of ideals – but I hope we are better than that on the whole.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 2:17 PM EST
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it's all about the free stuff..... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 2:32 PM EST
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Brew, it's basically what Drafter's said- the "free" stuff. Free in the sense of what's in it for themselves when the one- eyed thief raids an unguarded chicken coop in the land of the blind (pardon the mixed metaphor). Sure, there are a few good ones who can't be bought and sure, many will throw taxpayer crumbs back to the taxpayer for mostly self-serving reasons but it's a corrupt system built mostly on cronyism and power.

I don't know what will replace the current system but it WILL be replaced- probably by something more totalitarian.
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 3:06 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think the powers that be have an interest in keeping the bipartisan fighting going. That’s why we only hear about wedge issues while many real issues are swept under the rug. They talk all day about abortion and welfare knowing that these are issues that people will always disagree upon. Mean while Monsanto get “special” legislation passed and corporations gain the rights of a person. It’s called divide and conquer and it works like a hose.

Remember that cons and libs disagree on many details, but both really want what is best for the country – if only they could agree on what that might be.

There is propaganda on both sides of the aisle, and it is more effective than we know.


+1

And free beer would be a good start!! Beer
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 3:09 PM EST
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Beer
snowwolf777 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 3:10 PM EST
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I think you can count on two hands - and have fingers left over - the number on both sides of the aisle in Congress who are in it "for the good of the country". They dig the power. They dig the money. They pander to their base to continue with that power.

I think the 24/7 news cycles, the movement of the news organizations to an unapologetic "left wing" or "right wing" slant, and all the related blogs and social media have added an odd twist to politics, perceptions, and how news (or what passes for news) gets to folks. All that can sway elections, and what people think is important. Which may not be what they thought was important yesterday. Or an hour ago.

Yeah, we're pretty much sunk. But the free beer idea couldn't hurt anything. Beer
bloody spaniard Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 3:20 PM EST
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Applause Applause Applause

When fascism comes to America it'll be under the auspices of a green cap wearing, executive order signing, leftwing, islamo- inspired, spying dictator who is generally unopposed (aside from the symbolic gesture) & buys off the populace with bread and beer.

Dancing
bloody spaniard Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 3:44 PM EST
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When the current impostor and petty dictator insults our intelligence and pits one side against another (class/race warfare) won't he set the seeds for civil war?
Just a thought.

Mission accomplished Dubya II.
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 3:58 PM EST
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Ok, I'm leaving for now.
You can find me (for now) in my raggediness lividly raging away on a dirty soapbox in front of the White House.
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 4:09 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Ok, I'm leaving for now.
You can find me (for now) in my raggediness lividly raging away on a dirty soapbox in front of the White House.



that's your tent..?? I thought they said it was a woman.... Think Think
snowwolf777 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 4:55 PM EST
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Free bread AND beer? What's not to love?!

Wait a minute ... do we get unlimited butter with that? 'Cause that's a deal-breaker. Not talking
jpotts Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 5:56 PM EST
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I have two questions:

1) What kind of bread?

2) What kind of beer?
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 6:01 PM EST
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Let the blood of war flow, so who's right we may know

By rope, sword, or bullet a foundation of red it will flow

In our nations rebirth no tyranny shall we sow.
jetblasted Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 6:04 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
=d> =d> =d>

When fascism comes to America it'll be under the auspices of a green cap wearing, executive order signing, leftwing, islamo- inspired, spying dictator who is generally unopposed (aside from the symbolic gesture) & buys off the populace with bread and beer.

Dancing



What happened to the gubment cheese ?

Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 6:59 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
What happened to the gubment cheese ?

Mellow



I've been asking that for years.... Mellow
jackconrad Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 7:36 PM EST
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WE NEED JAMES BROWN BACK !
wheelrite Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 7:39 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
I have two questions:

1) What kind of bread?

2) What kind of beer?


stale wonder bread

Black Label beer,,,
dkeage Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 7:53 PM EST
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Wait...... Bloody is a cynic???


Who knew...Think
snowwolf777 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 7:57 PM EST
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Cheese too! Oh, dare I dream. Dancing
jpotts Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Jan 16 2014, 8:01 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
I feel that nationally we are beating a dead horse with the liberal/conservative debate and gridlock.
horse

I think we need to take a pragmatic direction of fixing what needs fixed which might mean a liberal solution or a conservative solution depending on the problem.

Your thoughts.


Pragmatism is what has been practiced since the 1950s, and is the reason we have the mess we have today.

After preaching limited government and low taxes, Reagan thought that by passing taxes with an open door to spend more money that he was holding true to his principles? No, he was being pragmatic for the same of compromise. He wanted the tax cuts to spur growth.

Nixon, Bush 43 all did similar things.

Pragmatism and compromise only lets stupidity flourish. In fact, left-wingers and those scum-sucking progressives count on Conservatives being "pragmatic" so that they can continue to erode away our liberties and replace them with their top-down dystopian nightmare.

Pragmatism is only half as bad as being a scum-sucking progressive, as you are going full progressive at half-speed. Nevertheless, you are still going "progressive."

The country was founded upon the notion that the individual was able to govern their own affairs. That is the core of Conservative dogma and principles. To be pragmatic is to throw that over the side of the boat in favor for what is expedient. Tyranny has all sorts of forms and flavors: mob rule, fascism, communism, socialism, monarchies, Obamacare, and so on. Enlightenment has very few.

We don't need more pragmatic people in government. What we need are Conservative ideologues who believe in the same things that mark the underpinnings of this nation.

There will always be evil in the world. Progressives, communists, and that whole bunch are just minions of the same hellspawn that has plagued human existence before recorded time. It would be refreshing for one if someone to actually go a different direction once in a while, as opposed to repeating the same sorry tale of oppression over and over again, like a broken record.

So no...we don't need pragmatism.
DadZilla3 Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jan 17 2014, 7:33 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Let the blood of war flow, so who's right we may know

By rope, sword, or bullet a foundation of red it will flow

In our nations rebirth no tyranny shall we sow.


Where is that quote from?
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jan 17 2014, 7:35 PM EST
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Me.
Mandoman Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2014, 7:40 PM EST
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Kick 'em all out and make me king!

BEER & BREAD for everybody!


OK, BUTTER, too.
bloody spaniard Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2014, 7:47 PM EST
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Rheingold beer, Wonder bread, I Can't Believe it's not Butter butter, and Cheez Wiz- I'm in!!Woot
stogiemonger Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Jan 18 2014, 8:09 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I've become a cynic on this. I believe they want what's in THEIR best interest. The proof of the pudding is in the eating , action speaks louder than words, yada yada yada had enough? There's no such thing as Mother Theresas in politics. They're liars and thieves who think very highly of themselves as they divvy up the diminishing pie for themselves and their benefactors.

On this?

Pfft. Sarcasm
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