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Westboro to Picket Candle light Vigil for 10 year old girl.
Confuzed Offline
#1 Posted:
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A 10 year old girl was abducted and murdered in my town this week and Westboro wing nuts will be there to picket. They tweeted that she reaped what Missouri sowed.. So pathetic..
rfenst Offline
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Confuzed wrote:
A 10 year old girl was abducted and murdered in my town this week and Westboro wing nuts will be there to picket. They tweeted that she reaped what Missouri sowed.. So pathetic..


A true "man of God" would try to comfort the greiving, not horify them. I am surprised no one has tried to kill the leader yet.
Buckwheat Offline
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So what does the Westboro misguided idiots think they are sowing? God is pissed off about these idiots.
TMCTLT Offline
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rfenst wrote:
A true "man of God" would try to comfort the greiving, not horify them. I am surprised no one has tried to kill the leader yet.



Couldn't agree more Robert....

GhostTown Offline
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They think they are true "people of god", do they not? There is no question they are people with extremely great passion about the whole biblical story, with constitutional rights that allow them to demonstrate at will. I'll bet many of them will be packing pistols. Probably carry guns everywhere they go, and brag about it mightily! Killing their leader would be an act of terrorism. Or wait, what do they call it when a religious group is attacked? Whatever it is, I'm sure they are prepared for an OK corral type shoot out. God would want them to be, no doubt.
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GhostTown wrote:
They think they are true "people of god", do they not? There is no question they are people with "extreme"passion about the biblical whole story, with constitutional rights that allow them to demonstrate at will. I'll bet many of them will be packing pistols. Probably carry guns everywhere they go, and brag about it mightily! Killing their leader would be an act of terrorism. Or wait, what do they call it when a religious group is attacked? Whatever it is, I'm sure they are prepared for an OK corral type shoot out. God would want them to be, no doubt.



I have NO idea what they " think " they are, but way to be a sound board for them. What they do is a form of terrorism as far as I'm concerned....
GhostTown Offline
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I'm atheist Paul. I sure as **** don't defend these people. I'm just pointing out the grounds that they stand on.

As far as I'm concerned..... it's ALL terrorism under the protection of the government.
gryphonms Offline
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Haters come in many forms. So does lunacy. In my opinion the Westboro group is cult. While it will be painful, I think the best way to stop them is to ignore them. Presently the media gives them a large voice. If they have no voice would they keep up their protesting. Also I hope at some point they will cross a line and are charged with a hate crime. Though my belief system is different I do find this cult an insult to all Christians.
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GhostTown wrote:
I'm atheist Paul. I sure as **** don't defend these people. I'm just pointing out the grounds that they stand on.

As far as I'm concerned..... it's ALL terrorism under the protection of the government.



STFU tool!

Its freedom OF religion...not FROM...nobody cares about you bragging about not believing about something.
GhostTown Offline
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LMAO
TMCTLT Offline
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GhostTown wrote:
I'm atheist Paul. I sure as **** don't defend these people. I'm just pointing out the grounds that they stand on.

As far as I'm concerned..... it's ALL terrorism under the protection of the government.



Why is it guys like yourself and others here believe they're the ONLY ones who enjoy the use of their brain?? Without your dissemination I would have been......lost. It's pretty clear who they " think " they are and that you are one of the few who truly understands.......thanks for the explanation. Whistle
GhostTown Offline
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Sorry to offend. I often make the mistake in assuming other people don't see hypocrisy through clouded visions of there own beliefs. It appears that I've done so here.

My problem is that every where religous indifferece arises, bad things happen. Very bad things.
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GhostTown wrote:


As far as I'm concerned..... it's ALL terrorism under the protection of the government.


I would call it harassment, protected harassment. There is no legal, or smart way to get rid of them though.

I suppose we could get the USA version of those Ukrainian Cossack guards that were beating P$ssy Riot with the whips the other day.
HockeyDad Offline
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P$ussy Riot is awful. The Cosacks recognized bad music.
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HockeyDad wrote:
P$ussy Riot is awful. The Cosacks recognized bad music.


The video was hilarious... had a bit of a Keystone Cops feel to it, with cossacks with short whips chasing masked girls with microphones around the little square.

Then there was some beatings.
Confuzed Offline
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I'm curious to see what the local folk do in retaliation.. If anything.. A few crazies have posted videos announcing that they have a "surprise" for westboro picketers.. I guess we'll find out soon enough:
wheelrite Offline
#17 Posted:
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Protestants suck !


wheel,
Plowboy221 Offline
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Confuzed wrote:
I'm curious to see what the local folk do in retaliation.. If anything.. A few crazies have posted videos announcing that they have a "surprise" for westboro picketers.. I guess we'll find out soon enough:



I used to work in spfld, there's more than a few crazies out that way (no offense) should be interesting to see what happens. I agree with what someone said up above, forgot who it was now. I think if we just ignored these people and stop giving them attention they'd go away. But with the media these days we all know that'll never happen.
Confuzed Offline
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These people definitely ain't Protestant..
wheelrite Offline
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Confuzed wrote:
These people definitely ain't Protestant..


well, if they are Christians and not Catholic, then they are Protestants,,,
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#17: C'mon Wheel, I'm Protestant and I wholly reject the Westboro group's tactics & theology.
wheelrite Offline
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fiddler898 wrote:
#17: C'mon Wheel, I'm Protestant and I wholly reject the Westboro group's tactics & theology.


No offense intended Bro,,,

Just kidding around...
fiddler898 Offline
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There are lots of people in the church who call themselves "Christian" who give the rest of us a bad name.




Maybe I should herf with them...
Confuzed Offline
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Who says they're Christians? Other than themselves?

The gathering is quite impressive, though.. There are thousands here right now. It's pretty amazing..
jetblasted Offline
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99% of moslems give the rest a bad name . . .
wheelrite Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
99% of moslems give the rest a bad name . . .


or Muslims...
99cobra2881 Offline
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I hate the fact that these fuqs are from Kansas.
Confuzed Offline
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They definitely don't give Christians a bad name..

A cat calling itself a dog is still a cat..

tailgater Offline
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Confuzed wrote:


A cat calling itself a dog is still a cat..



But an amazing talking cat!
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
STFU tool!

Its freedom OF religion...not FROM...nobody cares about you bragging about not believing about something.

No, no - I care. His voice of disbelief is equally important with the voice of those who belief.

BTW – about the “STFU tool”, you a Christian, are you?
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Brewha wrote:
His voice of disbelief is equally important with the voice of those who belief.





If everyone went around bragging about things that we DIDN'T believe in, would we have time to discuss anything else?


I don't believe in putting sugar in my coffee and I'm going to tell everyone I meet!

Or on a more practical level, your comment could be construed as justification for voicing opinions against gay marriage (for instance).

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tailgater wrote:
I don't believe in putting sugar in my coffee and I'm going to tell everyone I meet!


Is that the way I approached the topic?

I was blamed for defending Westboro. I was rather inclined to explain why I have absolutely no reason to defend them.

You think I have it tattooed on my forehead?
bloody spaniard Offline
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Oh goody! Is this where we pile on???
(giddy and clapping like Joe Besser aka the fa ggy Stooge)
Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
If everyone went around bragging about things that we DIDN'T believe in, would we have time to discuss anything else?


I don't believe in putting sugar in my coffee and I'm going to tell everyone I meet!

Or on a more practical level, your comment could be construed as justification for voicing opinions against gay marriage (for instance).


Come on now TG, this is a bit different. It does take conviction to believe that there is no god. And it is one thing to simply not believe a particular god, but it’s another to believe and assert that there is no god.

Besides, no one ever came to my front door to “witness” their belief in sugar . . . . .
tailgater Offline
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GhostTown wrote:
Is that the way I approached the topic?

I was blamed for defending Westboro. I was rather inclined to explain why I have absolutely no reason to defend them.

You think I have it tattooed on my forehead?


I was responding to the statement as presented by Brewha.

I don't know anything about your tattoos.
At least nothing you can prove...


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bloody spaniard wrote:
Oh goody! Is this where we pile on???
(giddy and clapping like Joe Besser aka the fa ggy Stooge)

Down Bloody! Down!
GhostTown Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I was responding to the statement as presented by Brewha.

I don't know anything about your tattoos.
At least nothing you can prove...




Thought you were piling on. Sorry.
tailgater Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Come on now TG, this is a bit different. It does take conviction to believe that there is no god. And it is one thing to simply not believe a particular god, but it’s another to believe and assert that there is no god.

Besides, no one ever came to my front door to “witness” their belief in sugar . . . . .


It take ZERO conviction to not believe. It sometimes takes a little fortitude to express this non-belief. But don't confuse this with conviction.



bloody spaniard Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Down Bloody! Down!

It's too late, brother Brew.
I always get excited over nothing!Woot
tailgater Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:

I always get excited over nothing!Woot


Now THAT takes conviction...
Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
It take ZERO conviction to not believe. It sometimes takes a little fortitude to express this non-belief. But don't confuse this with conviction.




Yes – but that is not what I wrote.

Look at it this way. There is no real evidence on the god thing either way. You can’t prove he’s there, you can’t prove he’s not. Now you can say you don’t know – that would take zero conviction. But to assert that you believe ether of the two unknowns would take conviction. Would it not?
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tailgater wrote:
It take ZERO conviction to not believe. It sometimes takes a little fortitude to express this non-belief. But don't confuse this with conviction.





That's actually an inaccurate statement.

there are a number of philosophical arguments which conclude that not believing in a god of any sort, or an afterlife of any sort requires greater courage and conviction. People like being told what to do, rejecting a god requires self-direction. People like the idea of living forever, rejecting an afterlife means believing that the few years you have on the earth are all that you will ever know.

Now, I don't really believe this philosophical bunk, but hell... if you're a sucker enough to believe in a religious tract, you might believe it. :)
bloody spaniard Offline
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kill me now please
Brewha Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
kill me now please

Have a little faith Bloody. It gets better.





Or not . . .
tailgater Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Yes – but that is not what I wrote.

Look at it this way. There is no real evidence on the god thing either way. You can’t prove he’s there, you can’t prove he’s not. Now you can say you don’t know – that would take zero conviction. But to assert that you believe ether of the two unknowns would take conviction. Would it not?


" It does take conviction to believe that there is no god."
-Brewha (from an above post)

You did say it.

And the only reason that there is "no evidence" that god doesn't exist is because you can't prove a negative.
Otherwise the evidence is quite clear. There is indeed NO proof.

Nobody ever tells an atheist "prove there is no god".
You may hear someone quote scripture to "prove" a point, but a non-believer is never called to task to show evidence.

It's called Faith for this very reason.


I don't fault you for not believing. But don't claim that you need conviction to do so because that's rubbish.



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Brewha wrote:
No, no - I care. His voice of disbelief is equally important with the voice of those who belief.

BTW – about the “STFU tool”, you a Christian, are you?



Yoda, you are? Seek advice you must. Yes, hmmmm.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
That's actually an inaccurate statement.

there are a number of philosophical arguments which conclude that not believing in a god of any sort, or an afterlife of any sort requires greater courage and conviction. People like being told what to do, rejecting a god requires self-direction. People like the idea of living forever, rejecting an afterlife means believing that the few years you have on the earth are all that you will ever know.

Now, I don't really believe this philosophical bunk, but hell... if you're a sucker enough to believe in a religious tract, you might believe it. :)


You seem to be confusing religion for faith.

And the "conviction" that your philosophers argued were likely speaking of long ago, when religious doctrine was considered fact, and when a religious schism could result in death or worse.

It may take courage to ADMIT to being an atheist.
But that's not the same as merely not believing in god.
Our friend Brewha believes that the simple act of "not believing" takes conviction.

As if the preponderance of zero hard facts could somehow compel a non-believer to require inner strength to remain steadfast in their non-belief.

Yes.
It's that ridiculous.






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TG,

Your statement/question could also be directed back to you.

"As if the preponderance of zero hard facts could somehow compel a believer to require inner strength to remain steadfast in their belief."

Is there anything any of us could say or do that would make you not remain steadfast in your beliefs?
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tailgater wrote:
" It does take conviction to believe that there is no god."
-Brewha (from an above post)

You did say it.

And the only reason that there is "no evidence" that god doesn't exist is because you can't prove a negative.
Otherwise the evidence is quite clear. There is indeed NO proof.

Nobody ever tells an atheist "prove there is no god".
You may hear someone quote scripture to "prove" a point, but a non-believer is never called to task to show evidence.

It's called Faith for this very reason.


I don't fault you for not believing. But don't claim that you need conviction to do so because that's rubbish.




Actually I have seen many atheists present “evidence” against the existence god and gods. Their “evidence” is scientific. But it is a folly to use logic in the face of faith.

I understand now that you equate the word ‘conviction’ exclusively with faith in god. Sorry, I was using it more in the Funk and Wagnall meaning – “a firmly held belief or opinion”.

I never said there is no god. My conviction is that each of us knows god in his own way.
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Does God do card tricks.. Huh
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