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Obama aiming for 'unilateral disarmament' General: 'This was the administration's
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WND RADIO
Greg Corombos is news director for Radio America.

Obama administration is proposing the biggest cuts to the military in generations, citing an end to the war in Afghanistan and the impact of sequestration, but critics allege the president and Pentagon officials are engaging in a deliberate and dangerous hollowing out of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Retired U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney also said the cuts will further erode already poor military readiness and signal the world that the U.S. will be in no position to defend national security threats on the scale it has in years past.

On Monday, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced plans for a $522 billion budget, which is still exponentially higher than than the defense budget for any other nation. But the plan also calls for bringing troop levels to the lowest level since before World War II.

The plan would bring Army troops down to between 440,000 and 450,000.

It also calls for the elimination of longstanding programs such as A-10 Warthogs and U-2 surveillance planes, although plans are in place to replace them with different aircraft, including unmanned vehicles.

The Navy will keep buying two destroyers and two attack submarines per year while shelving 11 cruisers for modernization.

But the shuffling of weaponry and shrinking of personnel in response to changing needs and budget demands are not impressing McInerney. He is also furious that the plan calls for service members paying more for housing, seeing fewer benefits and losing a billion dollars in spending on military commissaries.

“There’s no question that this administration has us on a path of unilateral disarmament,” McInerney said. “[Let's] not confuse ourselves. He’s got us on a path of disarmament. What surprised me even more is that he is making such deep personnel cuts in the services as far as the commissaries, pay, these type of things that are going to have a very negative impact on our morale.”

The Obama administration asserts that with troops already out of Iraq and those in Afghanistan coming home this year, ground troop numbers are safe to recede a bit. Officials also point out that sequestration is still in effect, and half of those cuts must come from the military.

McInerney said Congress deserves some of the blame for that, but the lion’s share belongs with Obama.

“This was the administration’s plan all along,” he said. “They’re the ones that came up with sequestration. Everybody on the Hill thought people are reasonable and won’t let this happen. The fact is, it was (Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid’s intent to let it happen. It was clear the Democratic Party was not going to negotiate with the Republicans. So they drove it into sequestration, and they are very happy about sequestration. That’s why the Defense budget is taking the bulk of the cuts.”

The Obama administration further asserts that troop numbers are safe to drop to levels not seen since before World War II. The administration reasons that high-technology weapons can handle virtually any threat, and a major ground campaign is unlikely to be needed again. McInerney said the threats facing the U.S. right now should make it clear that’s a bad idea.

“The fact is, this administration still does not have a strategy for how to defeat radical Islam,” he said. “They don’t even talk about it. They took us out of Iraq, and what do we find? We find now that the Iraqis are buying weapons from the Iranians. That is a very disturbing thing. We fundamentally turned Iraq over to the Iranian sphere of influence. I’m afraid we’re going to do the same thing in Afghanistan, and still no strategy for defeating radical Islam.

“They are going to let Iran, in the next two or three years, become a nuclear power. I’m very disturbed with depleting not only our Army but also our Air Force and Navy and the Marine Corps. As I’ve said, we are fundamentally, unilaterally disarming,” he said.

McInerney’s comments ring close to concerns over manpower and readiness voiced Monday by retired U.S. Army Gen Jack Keane on the Fox News Channel.

“The fact of the matter is, today, the Army has very few units that are ready to fight today. And that’s the truth of it,” Keane said.

McInerney said that analysis is spot on, and much deeper cuts would only make things worse.

“The Army couldn’t put a division in the field and fight as a division. All they can do is fight as platoons and maybe at the company level. They haven’t done the battalion or brigade level, let alone division and corps level attacks. So their readiness is very low,” he said.

So how are friend and foe alike viewing the combination of America’s diminished readiness and significant budget cuts in the near future?

“I think they’re going to read it as this administration is not going to be a superpower or a global leader, and they are going to start taking advantage of us,” McInerney said. “There are a lot of things that are going to be happening over the next two or three years that none of us will have foreseen. We’re going to have to react to them, otherwise it’s going to be a very negative world that we live in.”



PorknBeans Offline
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this presdant is a idiot
whos got rope
Burner02 Offline
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Once again, Bush's fault!
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WE NEED TO RAISE TAXES SO WE CAN AFFORD TO BE IN PERPETUAL WAR SINCE WORLD WAR 2!
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face - forever.

Mellow
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Eventually the boot will be the metallic foot of the Terminator.
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so we got that going for us... Mellow
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We are scaling down as we end campaigns. Replacing old tech with more efficient new tech. Spending less taxpayer money. What is the problem here? You guys realize we spend almost as much on military as the rest of the world combined, right? You have any idea how much we'd have to cut to drop to second place?
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If you don't want this to happen don't bitch about your taxes being raised. You CAN bitch about how and where the tax money is being spent but not the taxes.
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Buckwheat wrote:
If you don't want this to happen don't bitch about your taxes being raised. You CAN bitch about how and where the tax money is being spent but not the taxes.



Really?

Sounds like more entitlements.
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Problem wit yer thinking is taxes aint going down because of this and will go up regardless cause we need to find a way to pays for some osamacare
meanwhile they just approved the purchase of 700 million rounds of non nato ammo
that means not intended for use with our military
what does the the gubment need with all this
they also looking to cut back on the a10warthog
if you ever saw one of these at work you would ask what the **** are they thinkin
bad guys run for cover when they hear that bad azz plane
thinkin they can replace it with a drone shows what a dumb fool this presdant is
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PorknBeans wrote:
Problem wit yer thinking is taxes aint going down because of this and will go up regardless cause we need to find a way to pays for some osamacare
meanwhile they just approved the purchase of 700 million rounds of non nato ammo
that means not intended for use with our military
what does the the gubment need with all this
they also looking to cut back on the a10warthog
if you ever saw one of these at work you would ask what the **** are they thinkin
bad guys run for cover when they hear that bad azz plane
thinkin they can replace it with a drone shows what a dumb fool this presdant is



And you forgot that they (who ever in the hell they is) are not going to build any more tanks.
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The US overspends on its military by a staggering amount. Almost 4 time what the next biggest spender, China, doles out. Of all military spending the world over, the US spends about 39%.

It takes a mint condition idiot to think we should not be drastically cutting back, and we have a good supply of them.
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I dunno man... lots of jobs out there supporting the military.. the military is also trianing people for future careers... basically supporting current and future tax payers... what do you suggest we do with the money instead..?? Huh
scompay Offline
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I think military spending is erroneously only seen as spending on armament. When in reality we have this internet, gps, and even cell phones to thank for the military spending. Thats why places like china et al will never come up with the next GPS, or Cell phone, they will only manufacturer for us.

I think we should double military spending- its the thing that we have seen the most return out of.
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I dunno man... lots of jobs out there supporting the military.. the military is also trianing people for future careers... basically supporting current and future tax payers... what do you suggest we do with the money instead..?? Huh

The purpose of the military is not to train or employ people. If the US people want the government to do that, than we can fund public works programs that the nation would benefit from – bridges, roads, research, education, and so on.

Right now we are wasting resources on a bloated military that we do not need.
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Closing bases kills cities.. the spending sounds high but the return is prolly pretty good...
maybe we should spend more on global warming or somethin... that's gonna pay off someday right..?? Huh
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they would rather spend the monies on ebt for the lazy bums that will vote for them
bottom line our useless hafwit presdant wants to down grade our standing in the world
typical progressive move is dont strive to be the best legislate everything and everyone to the lowest denominater
they have hijacked the education system now the military got the media as an accomplice to spread there degenerate message
when we finally wake up and see the liberal scum for what they are i think it will git a bit ugly here
might be fun to round up these traitors and put them on display
Brewha Offline
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scompay wrote:
I think military spending is erroneously only seen as spending on armament. When in reality we have this internet, gps, and even cell phones to thank for the military spending. Thats why places like china et al will never come up with the next GPS, or Cell phone, they will only manufacturer for us.

I think we should double military spending- its the thing that we have seen the most return out of.

You could call it “Foot Solders for iPhones” or “Navy for Internets”.
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Brewha wrote:
You could call it “Foot Solders for iPhones” or “Navy for Internets”.



that would be gay... Mellow
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXyl4nFyjiA
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Closing bases kills cities.. the spending sounds high but the return is prolly pretty good...
maybe we should spend more on global warming or somethin... that's gonna pay off someday right..?? Huh

Cities need to fend for themselves, and wasting money on military bases is not the answer.

Roads and bridges would definite pay off someday, education too. Research is hit and miss, but still needed.
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Brewha wrote:
You could call it “Foot Solders for iPhones” or “Navy for Internets”.


Seriously Brew,
More comes out of the military than you realize. Everything you see around you, you can basically thank the DOD for. From synthetic rubber to software and project management. Its mind-boggling.
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You will create more jobs if you cut military spending. We will be the workers making the iphones and all the innovation will take place in other countries.
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Yeah but I am with you Brew on one thing, F the squids, lets cutback hard there. LOL
PorknBeans Offline
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we spend way to much on education now
nothing but unions transfering money to guvment\
heck you can git yerself 4 degrees as still be like a carp to a doughball
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LOL! I never equated a college education or # of degrees to intelligence, Pork.
DrafterX Offline
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there's different degrees of pork..?? Huh
PorknBeans Offline
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just make sure you cook to the proper degree
dont want no tricinosis or whatever
Brewha Offline
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PorknBeans wrote:
they would rather spend the monies on ebt for the lazy bums that will vote for them
bottom line our useless hafwit presdant wants to down grade our standing in the world
typical progressive move is dont strive to be the best legislate everything and everyone to the lowest denominater
they have hijacked the education system now the military got the media as an accomplice to spread there degenerate message
when we finally wake up and see the liberal scum for what they are i think it will git a bit ugly here
might be fun to round up these traitors and put them on display

Well . . . I know how you feel PB. Here in Texas I am forever hearing from lowbrow rednecks, carping about “them libberbuls wreckin the country keepin jeebus out da schools”.
But it is in people’s nature to hate and fear what they don’t understand, so I take them with a grain of salt.
Brewha Offline
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scompay wrote:
Seriously Brew,
More comes out of the military than you realize. Everything you see around you, you can basically thank the DOD for. From synthetic rubber to software and project management. Its mind-boggling.

Speaking as a mechanical engineer with many years working for the DOD I think I understand how development dollars are spent. And yes, Microwaves, TV’s, Hell even Tang came from our government spending for development.

And yet hear the outcry when we want to spend money on developing energy sources directly. Hmmm . . .

I feel you are not clearly separating government dollars for development and military spending. They are quite different.
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I heard the military was getting metal boots soon.... Mellow
PorknBeans Offline
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i understand we as a country not so long ago had a lot of pride, people were proud to be a citizen of the most powerful country on this planet
now we have well people like you that dont like this country the way it is and want it turned into some european like slum country
me ime still proud to be an american and want whats best for the country and a downgrade aint it.
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I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free.
And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I'd gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A..... Whistle Whistle
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Brewha wrote:
Speaking as a mechanical engineer with many year working for the DOD I think I understand how development dollars are spent. And yes, Microwaves, TV’s, Hell even Tang came from our government spending for development.

And yet hear the outcry when we want to spend money on developing energy sources directly. Hmmm . . .

I feel you are not clearly separating government dollars for development and military spending. They are quite different.


Development dollars are basically pissed away. Military Spending drives everything. Look at the problem from adoption of electricity. They had to give irons away to get people to adopt something as essential as electricity. So private enterprise struggles with the problem that there is no customer for innovation. Enter the DOD, they say we want X private enterprise you do what you have to. For instance, private industry could have created synthetic rubber the world runs on, or the gps, but the initial cost of development would be so high that they would need to be sure there is a customer willing to pay the bill...military spending pays for things upfront!
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free.
And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
And I'd gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
‘Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A..... Whistle Whistle

For what it's worth, I always figured you for a patriot Drafter. Hell, I figure even you pups know how to salute the flag.
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Brewha wrote:
For what it's worth, I always figured you for a patriot Drafter. Hell, I figure even you pups know how to salute the flag.



I have to give her a biscuit but she'll do it.... ThumpUp
Brewha Offline
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scompay wrote:
Development dollars are basically pissed away. Military Spending drives everything. Look at the problem from adoption of electricity. They had to give irons away to get people to adopt something as essential as electricity. So private enterprise struggles with the problem that there is no customer for innovation. Enter the DOD, they say we want X private enterprise you do what you have to. For instance, private industry could have created synthetic rubber the world runs on, or the gps, but the initial cost of development would be so high that they would need to be sure there is a customer willing to pay the bill...military spending pays for things upfront!

The military 'develops' $5,000 hammers. The military didn't build the rail roads or Standard Oil (J.P. Morgen was private sector). Henry Ford was not a General. They did not give away HDTV's to get people to accept them. BTW HDTV's came from TI, not the government.

Military spending does not drive everything - that is just a myth told to you by those who want to sell boats and tanks.
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This actually came out of Congress as a result of the sequester. As the article only tangentially alludes, Harry Reid "let it happen..." And whom did he let drive the sequester?

I wouldn't rely on Radio America for accuracy or objectivity.
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Brewha wrote:
The military 'develops' $5,000 hammers. The military didn't build the rail roads or Standard Oil (J.P. Morgen was private sector). Henry Ford was not a General. They did not give away HDTV's to get people to accept them. BTW HDTV's came from TI, not the government.

Military spending does not drive everything - that is just a myth told to you by those who want to sell boats and tanks.


Yes Brew they did all that and more, I dont buy that which is sold to me in koolaid, I speak from first hand knowledge.

Take something like Critical Path Methodology, its the unspoken law that makes every single project possible, particularly engineering; comes from the DOD. Back in the 40's no less. You wont find a single corporation not using it today. Way more crucial than division of labor, which technically has been around since one guy in the kitchen said I'll prepare the vegetables.

We would have no modern motors if not for a mandate from dod to make synthetic rubber. TI was and is primarily a defense supplier. Yes HDTV came from a govt mandate, remember when they dictated that all signals should be changed. They own the air frequencies. Satellites necessary for HDTV were only possible due to the space program. You would be amazed how long it took to convert folks from B&W to color. I forget the number of years, but it was not readily accepted.
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The military is being cut to better support Obama's welfare state. That and to remove the U.S. as a global power. Military budget for 2014 is approximately 600 billion and entitlements approximately 2.1 trillion. The military keeps getting cut and the entitlements continue to increase.

Carry on!
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scompay wrote:
Yes Brew they did all that and more, I dont buy that which is sold to me in koolaid, I speak from first hand knowledge.

Take something like Critical Path Methodology, its the unspoken law that makes every single project possible, particularly engineering; comes from the DOD. Back in the 40's no less. You wont find a single corporation not using it today. Way more crucial than division of labor, which technically has been around since one guy in the kitchen said I'll prepare the vegetables.

We would have no modern motors if not for a mandate from dod to make synthetic rubber. TI was and is primarily a defense supplier. Yes HDTV came from a govt mandate, remember when they dictated that all signals should be changed. They own the air frequencies. Satellites necessary for HDTV were only possible due to the space program. You would be amazed how long it took to convert folks from B&W to color. I forget the number of years, but it was not readily accepted.

Why Scompany, you're a romantic.

Yes, convention changes slowly. But exclusively at the behest of military design? That's a small view of mankind. To imaginate that the making of war fathers our greatest achievements is a poor view of us all.
A poor view indeed.

When Einstein discovered relativity, he was not trying to make an H-bomb. That came later.
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Burner02 wrote:
The military is being cut to better support Obama's welfare state. That and to remove the U.S. as a global power. Military budget for 2014 is approximately 600 billion and entitlements approximately 2.1 trillion. The military keeps getting cut and the entitlements continue to increase.

Carry on!

Make war not love. Right Burner?

Remembering of course that 'entitlements' included veterans benefits. Wasting money on vets while we could be buying tanks. Shameful, right?
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Brewha wrote:
Make war not love. Right Burner?

Remembering of course that 'entitlements' included veterans benefits. Wasting money on vets while we could be buying tanks. Shameful, right?



Yep, and those are about the only thing/things that Obama is willing to cut. As stated previously, it is all about expanding the welfare state. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Burner02 wrote:
Yep, and those are about the only thing/things that Obama is willing to cut. As stated previously, it is all about expanding the welfare state. Nothing more and nothing less.

Yes, after all it is the poor that are destroying America.
But another sustained war would help us all . . .
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The only thing that has put us in a welfare state is Delusional ****** Chutneys trillion dollar blunder in iraq. Someone has to pay for that.
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Incidentally, its pretty stoopid to think that we get poor by giving out welfare. What do you think they do with the money, put it under their mattress. No they spend it back in the economy.
When we spend a trillion dollars in Iraq, that is the only transition of wealth- one way.
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I heard they buy crack.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard they buy crack.... Mellow

And menthol Kools.
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