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Are all beads the same?
23mako Offline
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Have not made the switch to beads yet and was wondering if there is a difference in brands good and bad. Saw some on amazon that we're priced right
Abrignac Offline
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The best beads are the ones that touched the naked breasts of a Mardi Gras reveler.
Palama Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
The best beads are the ones that touched the naked breasts of a Mardi Gras reveler.


Such wit!

It's like you never left brother! Tongue
Abrignac Offline
#4 Posted:
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Palama wrote:
It's like you never left brother! Tongue



Thanks brother. It's good to be back from the dark side.
Palama Offline
#5 Posted:
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OP - just get the Heartfelt beads, you won't be sorry.
jackconrad Offline
#6 Posted:
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I like the flavoured beads..
BuckyB93 Offline
#7 Posted:
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The age old discussion... various versions of beads and kitty litter/crystals alternatives.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...Crystals-Whos-Up-For-It

Totes in the basement and Winedoor upstairs still hold strong on the humidity. The beads and kitty litter are both doing their job with minimal maintenance - I "sprits" them every couple months to maintain about 62-65% RH. I calibrate my hygrometers maybe once a year but based on my history with the beads/litter ... I don't sweat it much.

It works for me and that's all that counts.
nitro6526 Offline
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Heeeesss back! Good to see you Abrignac.
cacman Offline
#9 Posted:
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Ping Roaster Dude.
There is a difference between HF and other quality archival beads compared to those offered as a BOGO at other places, which can include more powder. You get what you pay for.

There was an old thread that outlined all the science behind beads vs kitty litter but i couldn't find it (different than BuckyB93's).
Beads = Yes. Kitty litter = No!
Philly Jack Offline
#10 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
Ping Roaster Dude.
There is a difference between HF and other quality archival beads compared to those offered as a BOGO at other places, which can include more powder. You get what you pay for.

There was an old thread that outlined all the science behind beads vs kitty litter but i couldn't find it (different than BuckyB93's).
Beads = Yes. Kitty litter = No!

Yeah I got that deal and it wasn't a deal it was all powder Don't cheap out when it comes to taking care of expensive things like cigars. If you had an expensive sports car you wouldn't go to a $5 car wash would you
Plowboy221 Offline
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I read on ca that if you put aNal beads in your humidor you never have to worry about humidity keeps it perfect and turns all your dog rockets in to rare fuente's. Have yet to try it.
illinichaser Offline
#12 Posted:
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As said above, all beads/kitty litter are not created equal. The effectiveness can be largely affected by the surface area. HF are highly recommended by folks here. I am with Bucky on the kitty litter piece though. I have used it in my cooler. My cooler holds a constant 62-65 % rh, even when I moved and changed climates (Illinois to NC). My cigars smoke great and I don't have to worry about the small stuff.
Ilovetosmoke68 Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
The best beads are the ones that touched the naked breasts of a Mardi Gras reveler.


You Sick Bastid........



Think




But I love it!
denali7432 Offline
#14 Posted:
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surprised no one said anal beads..lmao
frankj1 Offline
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denali7432 wrote:
surprised no one said anal beads..lmao

#11
sd72 Offline
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Ripcoooooooord!!!
Mr Roso Offline
#17 Posted:
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Location is crucial, so what works for some may not work for others. I'd suggest you buy some and give it a try.
Ilovetosmoke68 Offline
#18 Posted:
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denali7432 wrote:
surprised no one said anal beads..lmao

Mr Roso wrote:
Location is crucial, so what works for some may not work for others. I'd suggest you buy some and give it a try.




Just keep them out your mouth please.

Shame on you
SRH1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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Palama wrote:
OP - just get the Heartfelt beads, you won't be sorry.


Couldn't agree more. Not worth compromising to save a couple buck to care for a coolidor full of cigars.
Abrignac Offline
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Ilovetosmoke68 wrote:
denali7432 wrote:
surprised no one said anal beads..lmao





Just keep them out your mouth please.

Shame on you


What no a$$ to mouth....
danmdevries Offline
#21 Posted:
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I'm very happy with the heartfelt beads.

Only complaint I have is that I bought 70% beads and my hybrid humi seals tight. Sticks aren't smoking right and several have self destructed taking them outside to smoke this winter.

I'm going to buy another pound of hf beads but I think ill go with the 60s or 65s. Experimenting with humidity in two tupperdors to pick an rh.

The beads are pretty much perfect.
SRH1 Offline
#22 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
I'm very happy with the heartfelt beads.

Only complaint I have is that I bought 70% beads and my hybrid humi seals tight. Sticks aren't smoking right and several have self destructed taking them outside to smoke this winter.

I'm going to buy another pound of hf beads but I think ill go with the 60s or 65s. Experimenting with humidity in two tupperdors to pick an rh.

The beads are pretty much perfect.


65% Heartfelt beads are perfect. End of story.
cacman Offline
#23 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
I'm very happy with the heartfelt beads.

Only complaint I have is that I bought 70% beads and my hybrid humi seals tight. Sticks aren't smoking right and several have self destructed taking them outside to smoke this winter.

I'm going to buy another pound of hf beads but I think ill go with the 60s or 65s. Experimenting with humidity in two tupperdors to pick an rh.

The beads are pretty much perfect.

If your ambient humidity is low, try dry-boxing for a few hours before smoking.
Drop your humi rH to 62-65%
Numismaniac Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 01-13-2012
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hehe,

kitty litter, ultra pet original pearls is almost identical to those museum beads, BUT, there is only ONE type that is correct, and there will be a bit more dust since they are handled differently, nor have they been "set" at a particular rH by being acclimated with a particular "salt". This came from the engineer that works at Sorbent Systems, the Mfr. that makes various silica gel types.


Much easier and more likely to get you a fine BOTL to help you out, I'm actually in need of about 10 more pounds myself.
triodes Offline
#25 Posted:
Joined: 06-02-2013
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Actually, there is a difference in beads.

Shilala Beads, now HCM, work differently.

Appear to be the same type of beads I bought from Roaster Dude.

These beads are a good bit more absorptive than others.

So absorptive that you cannot moisten them directly, if you pour water on them directly they will absorb so fast they will literally crumble/explode similar to popcorn but not nearly so explosive as popcorn - but the beads will crumble.

They function essentially as a humidity stabilizer that seeks equilibrium within an enclosed space. I believe the sellers claims of very high absorption ability to be realistic.

They do not have a particular set point, you can raise the humidity level by placing a moistened sponge on a dish in the humidor, or lower by placing the beads in a lower humidity level environment for a while and returning.

You do have to think about them differently and take a different approach, or at least I did.

Having said that, I never really got solid control of my humidity in the wineador and large cooler until I started using them.

I had some from roaster dude, never got the hang of those - ordered some from http://www.shilalasbeads.com/ and following their directions did well, then realized what I had from roaster dude was probably the same.

Just ordered more a couple of days ago.

It helped me to view the inside of the wineador as an enclosed space with internal items that absorbed/dispersed moisture at different rates (different cigars/sizes/tobacco) and the beads as items that absorb more rapidly.

If you want to spray/moisten and forget, you are better with a different product. If you want to nail a humidity level and get everything in the winedor/coolidor at one RH, it will take some time and tinkering to get everything truly stabilized but once there solid and easy to maintain.

Without question, they work differently and require a different approach than HF, and KL. I used HF for years, and thought KL to work about the same. The only real negative with KL it takes up more space and the dust it gives off. Some users simply put the KL in a tray and this works well for them.

ETA
cacman wrote:
Ping Roaster Dude.

Roaster Dude appears to have dropped out of sight for a while. I did see another poster state somewhat recently that he had been in contact with Roaster Dude, RD was well and working a lot - but had sold out of beads. I attempted several times over several months to get in touch with RD because I wished to purchase more, but was unable to get a response.

It appears that HCM is the only source for these beads at this time.
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