America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 10 years ago by PorknBeans. 17 replies replies.
Vaccines and Info
Jump to Bottom | Previous Topic | Next Topic
victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2014, 7:40 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Ok, I know this is a hot-button topic for some, but this is an interesting study.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/vaccine-denial-psychology-backfire-effect

I'd like to think that even if you're anti-vaccine, you might find the study interesting.

Bottom line - They found that providing individuals who are anti-vaccine with varying types of information about vaccines (from safety, lack of cause of other diseases as well as the effects of the diseases) this INCREASED the anti-vaccine stance of those who were already against it.

It's sort of an interesting issue.
Abrignac Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2014, 8:12 PM EST
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,294
I was going to read it, perhaps later. For what's worth, absent an accepted cause of certain conditions I think there will always be some skepticism. That being said, when a person lives with a loved one coping with complications which may or may not be the after effects of said vaccines there will always be a certain amount of mistrust. Especially when those being regulated are funded by the regulators.
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2014, 8:27 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
Oh I agree fully.

The point of this particular post isn't to be pro or anti vaccine (even tho the article IS pro-vaccine). I just find it interesting that the people who ARE anti-vaccine are not being swayed by information which one would normally expect to sway an individual under normal circumstances... It's just an interesting point in the debate.
bloody spaniard Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2014, 10:00 PM EST
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
victor809 wrote:
Oh I agree fully.

The point of this particular post isn't to be pro or anti vaccine (even tho the article IS pro-vaccine). I just find it interesting that the people who ARE anti-vaccine are not being swayed by information which one would normally expect to sway an individual under normal circumstances... It's just an interesting point in the debate.

Why? Can't you sniff out lies especially from sources who have a track record for misrepresenting and leaving out things? I'm not surprised at all.
I will read the article in askance. My kids (and other's I know) were affected by vaccines SEVERAL times. I say several because we foolishly took the advice of supposed learned medical sources who told us that what happened was a coincidence and we should continued the vaccine schedules- resulting in regressions within 1 or 2 days depending on the child.

Some reliable websites for parents of kids damaged by vaccines seeking therapies:
autism.com
AgeofAutism.com
generationRescue.org
DrAmyYasko.com
and for nutrigenomic testing (tells you what vitamins & minerals are deficient in your kids' systems): www.holisticheal.com
jackconrad Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Mar 3 2014, 11:33 PM EST
Joined: 06-09-2003
Posts: 67,461
Cros was ok and then he got his shots...
Grady Wilson Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 11:28 AM EST
Joined: 03-03-2014
Posts: 64
Fred got tourettes right after ejaculation and swore he would never ejaculate again.
dstieger Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 11:50 AM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
Count me as another who hasn't read the article. But, the news is not surprising. As you said at the outset, this is a hot-button topic. And when you challenge those with fervent opinions, no matter how rational...or irrational or inane they may be, they get defensive. More defensive and even less rational, generally. Emotions, 'faith', superstition, and the like, are the true enemies of rational thought.
z6joker9 Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 11:54 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2011
Posts: 5,902
Those with an emotional belief will only become more entrenched in that belief when presented with evidence that contradicts that belief.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 12:10 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
z6joker9 wrote:
Those with an emotional belief will only become more entrenched in that belief when presented with evidence that contradicts that belief.


That has an interesting implication in religious arguments as well.
gryphonms Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 12:27 PM EST
Joined: 04-14-2013
Posts: 1,983
Once someone has developed a particular belief it is very hard to change that belief. My father had an acute reaction to a flu shot when I was a teenager, fortunatly he suffered no permanent damage. To this day I will not get a flu shot even though I know my thought process is completely irrational.

Irrational thought is extremely difficult to change. For example based on various studies between 20% and 25% of Americans believe the earth is the center of the universe. That figure is staggering.
Grady Wilson Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 12:42 PM EST
Joined: 03-03-2014
Posts: 64
It sometimes has to do with "who am I going to believe, you or my lying' eyes".

People naturally fill in blanks (missing data) to complete a picture and from then on it is fact. Even though it isn't really fact. If you try to confront them with something empirical that contradicts the facts they saw with their own eyes, the empirical data must be skewed or there is some sort of conspiracy. It is natural human behavior. Couple that with a rejection of science as this that or the other and you have a license to live in la la land. Add in entities that stroke that beleif and you have full on willy wankaland.

My favorite logic in here is; Wheel is gay. Wheel lives in North Mexico. North Mexicans are gay.

Any policeman will tell you when they interview six people that witness a crime you would think there were six separate crimes. To those people what they saw is a fact.


Great goobly goop! Random thoughts by Jack Handy.





Note: W@nkaland is edited. W A N K is a naughty word that 21 year olds must be saved from?
bloody spaniard Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 1:02 PM EST
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Grady Wilson wrote:
It sometimes has to do with "who am I going to believe, you or my lying' eyes".

People naturally fill in blanks (missing data) to complete a picture and from then on it is fact. Even though it isn't really fact. If you try to confront them with something empirical that contradicts the facts they saw with their own eyes, the empirical data must be skewed or there is some sort of conspiracy. It is natural human behavior. Couple that with a rejection of science as this that or the other and you have a license to live in la la land.

My favorite logic in here is; Wheel is gay. Wheel lives in North Mexico. North Mexicans are gay.

Any policeman will tell you when they interview six people that witnesses a crime you would think there were six separate crimes. To those people what they saw is a fact.


Great goobly goop! Random thoughts by Jack Handy.

Excellent point... but then when you dig further and do a little extra research on studies meant to dispel doubts on vaccines, you sometimes find that the facts don't stand on their own or have been gleaned from manipulated research which is either exclusive of important data which hinders their conclusion OR buttresses their preconceived notions. Simple- trash in trash out. Those who question this pseudo scientific research are then labeled as quacks oftentime by journalists who have a vested interest ($$$) in pharma. The other medical "credentialed" folks who attack the anti-vaccine movement remind me of Hitler's scientists who proved that the "Aryan" was superior or that their artists who created marginal work on canvas and marble were gifted. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA.

Yes, I and many other parents have experienced things with our own eyes. Sometimes you have to take the word of what you see over what you hear especially if the "established" government subsidized studies eliminate age groups, nationalities, or limit the post-vaccine time studied. Shut your eyes wide open and pretend you know the truth. Pathetic.
Grady Wilson Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 1:08 PM EST
Joined: 03-03-2014
Posts: 64
bloody spaniard wrote:
Excellent point... but then when you dig further and do a little extra research on studies meant to dispel doubts on vaccines, you sometimes find that the facts don't stand on their own or have been gleaned from research which is either exclusive of important data which hinders their conclusion OR buttresses their preconceived notions. Simple- trash in trash out. Those who question this pseudo scientific research are then labeled as quacks oftentime by journalists who have a vested interest ($$$) in pharma. The other medical "credentialed" folks who attack the anti-vaccine movement remind me of Hitler's scientists who proved that the "Aryan" was superior or that their artists who created marginal work on canvas and marble were gifted. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA.

Yes, I and many other parents have experienced things with our own eyes. Sometimes you have to take the word of what you see over what you hear especially if the "established" government subsidized studies eliminate age groups, nationalities, or limit the post-vaccine time studied. Shut your eyes wide open and pretend you know the truth. Pathetic.



That all seems logical and void of emotion. Totally fact based and does not prove the point at all.
bloody spaniard Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 1:16 PM EST
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
Data for studies can be manipulated is my point- garbage science proves nothing- not even global warming.
Every era seems to have established shibboleths worshiped by fawning lemmings afraid to rock the boat and afraid of repercussion.Drool
Grady Wilson Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 1:22 PM EST
Joined: 03-03-2014
Posts: 64
Exactly
bloody spaniard Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 1:23 PM EST
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
shaddupGonz
PorknBeans Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Mar 4 2014, 4:02 PM EST
Joined: 07-23-2013
Posts: 357
you debating yourself
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Back to Top