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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:22 PM EST
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Australia says NO -- This will be the second Time Julia Gillard has done this!

She sure isn't backing down on her hard line stance and one has to appreciate her belief in the rights of her native countrymen.

A breath of fresh air to see someone lead with guts and determination.
Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

The whole world needs a leader like this!

Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country that accepted you.'


Film at 11..... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:24 PM EST
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Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:28 PM EST
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We could sure use a man like her here.... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:33 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
We could sure use a man like her here.... Mellow



I like my cool side cool and my hot side hot...I don't need no mangirls running around up in this hizzy.
Buckwheat Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:40 PM EST
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Who cares? It's Australia.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:41 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Who cares? It's Australia.



Throw 'nutter shrimp on da barbie!Frying pan
scompay Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:43 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
We could sure use a man like her here.... Mellow



Why does a big bottom have to be on a man??
DrMaddVibe Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:45 PM EST
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scompay wrote:
Why does a big bottom have to be on a man??



Nobody cares what wind blows up your skirt, but you're gonna tell us anyways.
Buckwheat Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:47 PM EST
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'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

This coming from a colonial power is hypocrisy at it's best/worst. I'm sure the Aboriginals would agree. GET OUT!! Frying pan
scompay Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 2:50 PM EST
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Applause Applause Applause
Buckwheat wrote:
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

This coming from a colonial power is hypocrisy at it's best/worst. I'm sure the Aboriginals would agree. GET OUT!! Frying pan

DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 3:02 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

This coming from a colonial power is hypocrisy at it's best/worst. I'm sure the Aboriginals would agree. GET OUT!! Frying pan



ThumpUp
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 4:03 PM EST
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I know it's in vogue to go hating on any group who used brute force to do their land grab (Europeans in North America vs those pesky natives, for example).
But if you pay attention, many of these permanent occupations allowed exponential advancements for man kind.


The extreme muslim influence is the complete OPPOSITE. They want to infiltrate a population with a backwards society. Not content to keep it religious, they push for their laws to trump the local jurisdiction.
Their refusal to embrace a backwards culture does not strike me as being the least bit hypocritical.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 4:05 PM EST
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
cacman Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 6:10 PM EST
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Did Gillard just draw an Australian red line?

Guess the "O" isn't going there any time soon.
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 8:37 PM EST
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I always thought they started as a bunch of criminals banished there. When did the founders become hard working patriotic god fearing types?




I would have said "penal colony" but I know my audience.
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 9:03 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

This coming from a colonial power is hypocrisy at it's best/worst. I'm sure the Aboriginals would agree. GET OUT!! Frying pan


Umm, I think Australia is more at the, "Well, we took the place over and we are in charge now, so no need for any other groups to get ideas about doing the same thing to us."
wheelrite Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 9:35 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I always thought they started as a bunch of criminals banished there. When did the founders become hard working patriotic god fearing types?




I would have said "penal colony" but I know my audience.


don't say Penal in front of Jade,,,,
frankj1 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 10:08 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
don't say Penal in front of Jade,,,,

I wouldn't even say it behind him
ZRX1200 Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Mar 18 2014, 11:56 PM EST
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Frank seems to be the opposite of here!
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 7:53 AM EST
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^
glad to see you're back...er I mean front...dang I'm always out of synch here.
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 8:35 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I always thought they started as a bunch of criminals banished there. When did the founders become hard working patriotic god fearing types?



prolly after the first Crocodile Dundee movie... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 8:38 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
The extreme muslim influence is the complete OPPOSITE. They want to infiltrate a population with a backwards society. Not content to keep it religious, they push for their laws to trump the local jurisdiction.
Their refusal to embrace a backwards culture does not strike me as being the least bit hypocritical.



Kind of like some evangelical christians in this country. They want to make Christianity the official state religion in this country and get things back to the "good old days" when women stayed home and kept house and had babies. I see a lot of comments on this site about how horrible it would be if some Muslims in the US lived in accordance with Sharia Law when there are communities of Jews living in the US in accordance with Hasidic Laws. In either case both beliefs/laws are abrogated or are superseded by American law.

Why do you assume that different or native cultures are backwards?
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 8:51 AM EST
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Jews have honor killings?
gryphonms Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 8:54 AM EST
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^+1
Buckwheat Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 9:20 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Jews have honor killings?


Not any more.

Is there one documented case in the US of an Islamic Sharia Law killing that wasn't prosecuted under US law as a crime?
Bitter Klinger Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 10:30 AM EST
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Quote:
Is there one documented case in the US of an Islamic Sharia Law killing that wasn't prosecuted under US law as a crime?

Idunno, go ask around in Detroit...

I'm sick of the "We're Australia, see us roar" emails. Those weakling wannabees are a bunch of subjects by choice and I'll never have any respect for them or their coo-planted "president". So yeah, go throw another shrimp on the barbie and blow on your digerydoo... Brick wall
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 10:43 AM EST
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Why do you hate Crocodile Dundee..??/ Huh
tailgater Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 12:18 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Kind of like some evangelical christians in this country. They want to make Christianity the official state religion in this country and get things back to the "good old days" when women stayed home and kept house and had babies. I see a lot of comments on this site about how horrible it would be if some Muslims in the US lived in accordance with Sharia Law when there are communities of Jews living in the US in accordance with Hasidic Laws. In either case both beliefs/laws are abrogated or are superseded by American law.

Why do you assume that different or native cultures are backwards?



I think you're expressing your own viewpoint regarding the evangelicals. I don't know of any mainstream Christian groups that want to mandate a government religion.

As for native cultures being backwards? Perhaps I could have said "primitive" instead. The native cultures are wonderful and should be celebrated. But they are not advanced, and that was clearly my point.
Buckwheat Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 12:30 PM EST
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Certainly all religions have 'outliers' or factions that spit out all kinds of chit that gets picked up by people who don't agree with them and repeated as a representation of the religion as a whole. I'm guilty of doing this with evangelicals just as a lot of people pickup on fringe Muslim groups as speaking for the Islamic religion as a whole.

My point on native cultures is that we assume by our standards that they are not advanced and backwards or primitive. They were going about their lives probably being happy and content in the own way when we kicked in their front door and started dictating what they should or shouldn't do, etc., etc., etc... under threat of violence or death.
frankj1 Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 12:41 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Jews have honor killings?

this is why I missed you!
Hey, maybe Bugsy Segal or Myer Lansky, but that's a whole differnt kind of honor killing..

but to follow the threadjack:

A couple of generations ago, even in America, ultra religious Jewish families would sometimes sit shiva for a member that married a "goy". The perp was in effect "dead to them" and so they mourned him/her as if they had died.
But I am unaware of actual honor killings among Jews...could be wrong though. And it's not too late.
gryphonms Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 1:04 PM EST
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Simple point, you either agree with the Australian prime minister or you do not. I do not!
Bitter Klinger Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 2:38 PM EST
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I don't agree with the Australian PM on much of anything, but in this case I agree with recent sentiments that one cannot be both a "good Muslim" and a "good American" at the same time. Many of their core beliefs are in direct contradiction to our founding fathers beliefs, and no combination of time, social engineering, political correctness or religious freedoms will change that. Given the well-documented way that they have migrated into, become politically entwined within, then forced their laws to become accepted as THE law in many European countries - to ignore the eventual outcome of tolerance for anything that undermines OUR way of life, liberty and the American way must not be tolerated. Anyone who refuses to accept this is just as guilty as those who would perform the aforementioned "Honor Killings".

The PM's point is if they want to behave like cavemen, stay in their own sandboxes. If they want to live in Her country, they can behave like the Aussies (and willingly turn in their guns).

What's happening in Detroit is the tip of the iceburg, and can only lead to an eventual game of Cowboys & Muslims that won't end well for anyone.



tailgater Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 2:56 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Certainly all religions have 'outliers' or factions that spit out all kinds of chit that gets picked up by people who don't agree with them and repeated as a representation of the religion as a whole. I'm guilty of doing this with evangelicals just as a lot of people pickup on fringe Muslim groups as speaking for the Islamic religion as a whole.

My point on native cultures is that we assume by our standards that they are not advanced and backwards or primitive. They were going about their lives probably being happy and content in the own way when we kicked in their front door and started dictating what they should or shouldn't do, etc., etc., etc... under threat of violence or death.


First, it's not a matter of stereotyping the muslim faith. We're talking about shiria law. Those of the Muslim faith that do not subscribe or don't wish to pursue Sharia Law should not be offended by the Aussie PM comment.

As for native cultures.
If the Europeans were less intrusive when they conquered North America, and one geographic half was left untouched, it is safe to suggest that the Native half would be less advanced than the European half.
By ANYONE'S definition.

TMCTLT Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Mar 20 2014, 7:30 AM EST
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
I don't agree with the Australian PM on much of anything, but in this case I agree with recent sentiments that one cannot be both a "good Muslim" and a "good American" at the same time. Many of their core beliefs are in direct contradiction to our founding fathers beliefs, and no combination of time, social engineering, political correctness or religious freedoms will change that. Given the well-documented way that they have migrated into, become politically entwined within, then forced their laws to become accepted as THE law in many European countries - to ignore the eventual outcome of tolerance for anything that undermines OUR way of life, liberty and the American way must not be tolerated. Anyone who refuses to accept this is just as guilty as those who would perform the aforementioned "Honor Killings".

The PM's point is if they want to behave like cavemen, stay in their own sandboxes. If they want to live in Her country, they can behave like the Aussies (and willingly turn in their guns).

What's happening in Detroit is the tip of the iceburg, and can only lead to an eventual game of Cowboys & Muslims that won't end well for anyone.







^^^^ THiS
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