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Biden to NATO allies, we will respond to any aggression.
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gryphonms Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 9:47 AM EST
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Guess this means no golfing in Russia for O as a debilitating sanction.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 10:03 AM EST
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'any aggression' is a pretty big word..... Think
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 10:06 AM EST
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In the New Amerika the VP has war powers.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 10:46 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
In the New Amerika the VP has war powers.



was that another one of those Executive Order things..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
In the New Amerika the VP has war powers.


I'm curious how much discussion it would actually take?

We're on the hook for defending Ukraine based on old nuclear disarmament treaties.... I honestly don't know if that's something that then has to be discussed by congress, or if we simply go in if our ally is attacked.
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 12:45 PM EST
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Indeed. And both establishment parties are all for centralizing as much power as possible into the executive branch.

Jist like witches at black masses......
gryphonms Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 12:50 PM EST
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Stop giving witches a bad name!
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 2:08 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:


We're on the hook for defending Ukraine based on old nuclear disarmament treaties.... I honestly don't know if that's something that then has to be discussed by congress, or if we simply go in if our ally is attacked.


That is not exactly what the Budapest Memorandum says. Russia also signed it and has violated it but there is no obligation to defend Ukraine.
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 5:39 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
That is not exactly what the Budapest Memorandum says. Russia also signed it and has violated it but there is no obligation to defend Ukraine.


I guess I phrased my statement wrong. I was trying to say that the presence of a violated treaty might provide a loophole somewhere to bypass a congressional vote for war.

I'm not saying it does, I'm just wondering out loud if we've got some sort of clause allowing that.
HockeyDad Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 7:30 PM EST
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It is not a treaty. It is a memo. All is says is we all won't invade or nuke Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their nukes. There is no penalty section to it.

Obama doesn't need a congressional vote for war. We haven't done that since Pearl Harbor. Ukraine just simply doesn't have enough golf courses to be worth open conflict. If the USA took Mexico or Canada we would not get nuked by Russia either.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 7:37 PM EST
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I heard they're taking Alaska next.... Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 7:43 PM EST
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Joe Biden: When a Gaffe is Really a Lie . . .

While in Poland on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden claimed that as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, he led the fight for Poland’s entry into NATO–an event that occurred before his chairmanship.

“Fifteen years ago, I was honored, as the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, to lead the fight for Poland’s admission into NATO,” Biden declared.

Poland joined NATO in 1999. Biden served as chairman from 2001 to 2003.

Liar
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 7:46 PM EST
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They all prolly forgot about that by now anyway... Mellow
Bitter Klinger Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Mar 19 2014, 10:40 PM EST
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O's gonna do exactly nothing but whats already done - make US and him look like a buncha queers.

Nice catch, Jet. Maybe we'll hear about that in the media after we're done looking for that airplane....Nah. Prolly not.
jackconrad Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Mar 20 2014, 12:08 AM EST
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SaWEET!^^
DrMaddVibe Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Mar 20 2014, 1:10 PM EST
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"Buy a shotgun...buy a shotgun!"
Buckwheat Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Mar 20 2014, 1:34 PM EST
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Remington 870 Tactical Magpul should do the trick.
jetblasted Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Mar 20 2014, 2:55 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Remington 870 Tactical Magpul should do the trick.


Nope . . .

It's got to be a double barrell . . .

Funny thing is, did any of y'all see that interview?

He was being interviewed by a lesbian, and I swear she looked just. like. a. man.
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