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Could the Russian takeover of the Crimea have been stopped?
gryphonms Offline
#1 Posted:
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I do not see any way this could have been stopped other than military intervention. I think this could have lead to nuclear war. Even if it did not I think the war would be unwinnable.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted:
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maybe a serious threat of military intervention would have done it.. but we drew imaginary dotted lines instead......Mellow


but, to me it sounds like everyone is happy so I say let it be... Mellow
cacman Offline
#3 Posted:
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If that's what the majority of people in Crimea wanted, who are we to tell them what to do?
Buckwheat Offline
#4 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
If that's what the majority of people in Crimea wanted, who are we to tell them what to do?


+1 and no I don't think that we could've stopped it short of starting another un-winable war in an area of the world that we really don't want to start any wars.

The Crimea has been "in play" in that region since before the Byzantine Empire. Catherine the Great took the Crimea from the Ottoman Turks around 1780.
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
If that's what the majority of people in Crimea wanted, who are we to tell them what to do?

true, and once the Ukraine gov't toppled, the time was right for Putin. It had nothing to do with us.

Our concern and the world's concern should be with further land grabbing beyond Crimea, but it may simply be what it is...and Russia does have a big military base there, naturally they might be concerned about any new government taking over.
Abrignac Offline
#6 Posted:
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Besides our national debt is over 100% of GDP. I'm sure the Russians aren't worried what we think because they know what's left of our economy couldn't survive a war with a superpower even if, big big, no huge if, the U.S. citizenry supported it.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#7 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
true, and once the Ukraine gov't toppled, the time was right for Putin. It had nothing to do with us.

Our concern and the world's concern should be with further land grabbing beyond Crimea, but it may simply be what it is...and Russia does have a big military base there, naturally they might be concerned about any new government taking over.


...and since the TV told you that the people of Crimea voted for annexation, then it must be true. Which country will hold the next "election"?

They disarmed because we told them we'd have their backs.

Then we went golfing and stuff...
HockeyDad Offline
#8 Posted:
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I'm not sure I like the idea of the USA being the arbiter of all elections worldwide.
DadZilla3 Offline
#9 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea of the USA being the arbiter of all elections worldwide.

Nancy Pelosi says other countries have to hold elections so we can see what's in them.
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
...and since the TV told you that the people of Crimea voted for annexation, then it must be true. Which country will hold the next "election"?

They disarmed because we told them we'd have their backs.

Then we went golfing and stuff...

oddly enough, I didn't mention the election. Simply don't believe any involving Russia (or N. Korea et al) are meaningful. Russia was taking advantage of the governmental turbulence in Ukraine no matter what...even if Mitt glared at them.

But I'm squeezing out your opinions finally and have learned two things now:

1) the media is anti democracy and pro-Russia
2) you want military intervention by the USA and feel that this Prez is a ***** and won't do it, but Palin is a tranny cuz she has ballz...
wait wait
but you also hate this Prez because he has been so warlike. He is warlike but Mitt and Palin would have scared Putin cuz they are more warlike.

Or am I confused by what you want USA to do in Ukraine?

Please, pick one side already.
jackconrad Offline
#11 Posted:
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8 outa 10 people i talked to said they didn't vote for Obama , and i have a lot of Democrat friends..,But there he is in DC. The Point is i don't trust any elections when the Socialist are a player in them..
Bitter Klinger Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 03-23-2013
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OK, Frank, since you asked again, let me address the numbered items without being "bitter".

1) The drive-by media is portraying our Emporer fully clothed, move along, nothing to see here. The "pretend we're fair-and-balanced network" is simply stirring the pot, carefully inserting pictures and headlines that make some believe they're pro-conservative, yet in reality they provide so much opposing viewpoint, the line has become blurred. ALL media in the US with very little exception is as much to blame with the shape our country is in right now, as our corrupt politicians. Possibly more so, since they head up the perception department.

2) As previously stated, though likely obfuscated by talk of womens wear, I feel any one else (Ham Sammich?) would have carried enough respect in the office to have at least been perceived as being agressive enough to at least cast doubt as to the possible consequences in stealing a US-backed country. Bammys M.O. has him apologizing to Putin, promising further rollovers after the "election", then backing it all up with years of back-breaking deep bows to the rest of the world's oligarchs, whom he so envies.

You've invented the thought (or confused me with someone else's thinking) in feeling he's warlike at all. He's the antithesis IMHO, and because he inherited some action doesn't make it so, at least in my book. If he were capable of a poker face, Putin might only be grinning rather than doubled over in laughter. As it is, a game of Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots would leave him in tears, and its embarassing on the worlds stage. Not to mention a very real danger to our national security.

I read your contention through the repetitive question "what do you want him to do" that this certainly would have happened to whomever was resting their feet on the furniture at 1600 Pensylvania Ave. I disagree. I contend it wouldn't have happened to anyone BUT him. And since you don't seem to like that viewpoint, you continue to ask your question in a vindicative light. And I'm not buying in, sorry. But to answer the question in a literal sense, I want him to resign.

Hope this helps - sorry if a little bitter came out during the squeeze - but I tried.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 03-23-2013
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Jack, I havn't trusted any elections since someone stole my chads. Where's my d@mn chads?! I don't think we ned a poll asking who voted for electronic voting machines - 'cause I doubt any of us did.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
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so, you wanted a military response.
or you believe that another candidate would have been scary enough that Putin would have been intimidated.

Interesting.

I disagree.
bloody spaniard Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
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The Roooosians are amassing a force of over 100k military on the Ukrainian border.
Getting ready to finish the takeover?

Wonder where the rabble rousing nutcase McCain is NOW? Going to volunteer to fight the Russkies before they move on the Baltic states, ya think?Beer
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 10-14-2011
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The Roooosians are amassing a force of over 100k military on the Ukrainian border.
Getting ready to finish the takeover?

Wonder where the rabble rousing nutcase McCain is NOW? Going to volunteer to fight the Russkies before they move on the Baltic states, ya think?Beer


It's cool... Klinger's gonna run over there and stare at Putin really mean and refuse to apologize for anything. He's pretty certain that's all it takes to keep him from invading any further.
drnos Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 10-29-2003
Posts: 2,787
Of course it could not be stopped. Everything that happens is exactly as it supposed to happen. It's fate, man.

It's an existential thing.
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