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THERE AIN'T NO WAY WE'LL LOSE IT
THIS IS OUR LIFE, THIS IS OUR SONG
WE'LL FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE JUST
DON'T PICK OUR DESTINY 'CAUSE
YOU DON'T KNOW US, YOU DON'T BELONG

OH WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT..!!

Both sides are out of control.

I've stopped buying into the R vs. D rhetoric for the most part. Anymore, its a simple choice of who will do the least damage. The problem is, they are not held accountable for their actions, and they know they never will be. They say they'll do one thing and do the polar opposite. Everyone shrugs it off saying "thats politics".

I contend that its no different than perjury. It's lying to the public, and it should be a punishable offense.

Liberalism isn't what it used to be, as is conservatism.

Welcome to Amerika comrade.

gryphonms

Liberals in power have went crazy, I think you mean have gone crazy,and I don't know much about Brandeis university, nor what they did. I don't even know why I can't use advanced reply so I n color my words red and enlarge the fonts but I do have spell check on this new computer and that is a good thing.

I have went from windows xp to windows 8.1 on a strange looking computer, hp19 all in one , but do not be sad about your President, in spite of the mass stupidity of almost all of the Repubicans,

he is without a doubt one of the smartest presidents we have had in my life, and has accomplished more then most people realize.

and if the democrats can take back the congress, you will see tremendous changes for the bet4er. if not, he will make the improvements necessary to correct our immigration policy.

The law means nothing when not followed.

Gryph,

Do you think that the nation has gone too liberal or too conservative?

I think it is more conservative than under GW Bush era.

Compay, I don't think of it as conservative vs liberal as much as I feel that free speech is more restricted due to ever increasing political correctness. This is very evident especially on college campuses where the thought police are rampant.

Its not like we treat them as first class citizens anyway

Upon reflection, I think its BOTH more liberal in some ways and more conservative in other ways.

homosexuality and weed- more liberal now
Healthcare- more conservative now
Faith and religion- more liberal now
Business and finance- more conservative now.

See? It's difficult to apply labels these days. Conservatism has always been thought of as open market and exchange of goods/services. Liberalism as the same for ideas. Both with minimal Government restriction/overview. Now, IMHO, there is NEITHER. Monopolies, back room deals, & trade agreements rule and pc speech is the only one protected and encouraged. Think about what you see in the mainstream media & all around you.

Gryph, IMHO, political correctness to put it mildly is very inoffensive polite speech teetering on the nondescript at its best and a condescending untruth that leaves one feeling socially uncomfortable at its worst.

I don't think the views on religion or homosexuality are more liberal. I think the powers that be want us to embrace these ideas as such, so they are enabling those who push the idea that they should be. By illegally punishing those who oppose their agendas, and using the media that they control to force their ideals upon a mostly unagreeable public, they then announce a "shift" in ideals that there is no real support for.

The homosexuals are becoming militant, literally forcing their beliefs upon all, and creating (or trying to) some sense of persecution then creating hatred toward anyone who would oppose them publicly or even through private donations, labeling them as bigots. None of that will make anyone who believes that homosexuality is a sin believe differently. It just demonizes a different group.

Using religion to codify their acts like the recent BHOzo/Pope bromance, trying to cause people to change their morals does not make it more liberal. It just makes paritioners angry, and the homosexuals look desperate for approval from those who won't embrace them. Pun not intended.

I personally could care less what people do behind closed doors as long as its consentual and doesn't hurt children. But when I turn on my TV and hear that someone was kicked out of their own company for a campaign donation, its time to sue some people back to the stone age. It creates a deep-seated ill will toward those who a) do it b) allow it and c) promote it. Which would be the opposite of what they claim to want - acceptance.

You can't pass laws that require people to like you, or accept your life choices. And they're not bigots for refusing to do so.

The weed issue is still very controversial - I think it could still go either way, and there are very good arguments to both sides. Since some states have legalized though, I'll concede that one. Business and finance are conservative for sure if you want to borrow. Otherwise, not so much - just look at the new taxes the AHA ushers in - those are not conservative at all.

That's perfectly stated IMO.

I don't care if we get "free" healthcare, homosexual marriage, legal weed, etc. and in return can be persecuted for the wrong thoughts, carrying too much cash, or for worshiping at a church that doesn't adhere to the aforementioned. I think that we've gone beyond definitions and can simply call encroaching totalitarianism for what it is. I've always said that we're the frogs in the slowly boiling water.

Drafter, you didn't really think he said FOG's did you?

Faags in boiling water (aint that a bathhouse?)

^LMAO how right you are.

Ditcha know that in the British isles blowing f ags is as natural as smoking cigs here?
Many do it to relax or because they don't know what to do with their hands when chatting.

And Frogs is slang people across the channel who savor them.

Were you implying Frog poofters

I don't even know what that is... ani't gonna google it either...

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