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So now the USDA wants to be armed?
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TMCTLT Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 4:01 PM EST
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/submachine-gun-usda-buy/2014/05/17/id/571905/?ns_mail_uid=81019587&ns_mail_job=1569634_05172014&promo_code=2q3bccq9



Yet Another Federal Office putting in a special order for military grade equipment.....
There is something very strange going on in our country, from Federal agencies who have never historically been armed to small town cop shops setting up with military grade vehicles and arms.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 4:56 PM EST
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Those bassards..!! Mad
wheelrite Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 5:23 PM EST
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I want a private suite at the FEMA Camp...


wheel,
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 5:43 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
I want a private suite at the FEMA Camp...


wheel,



Not talking

nope.. you have to room with Bloody...... Not talking
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 6:53 PM EST
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Obummer can't get enough generals to agree to shoot citizens so he is forming a domestic army.
Buckwheat Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 7:00 PM EST
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What happened to the 2nd amendment? They're citizens just like the rest of us so why shouldn't they be allowed to arm themselves?
wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 7:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Not talking

nope.. you have to room with Bloody...... Not talking


He'll be one of the Nazi tormentors,,,
Remember he's a pusssy,,,

wheel,,
Abrignac Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 7:12 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
What happened to the 2nd amendment? They're citizens just like the rest of us so why shouldn't they be allowed to arm themselves?



I agree but, at whose expense?
kombat96 Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 7:18 PM EST
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^^^at the illegal immagrants
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, May 17 2014, 7:34 PM EST
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They only buy tortillas and diapers
TMCTLT Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 12:29 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
What happened to the 2nd amendment? They're citizens just like the rest of us so why shouldn't they be allowed to arm themselves?



They can, ON THEIR own F'n dime just the like the rest of us.....
rfenst Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 3:43 AM EST
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Government agencies need to have weapons. Not like they asked for a SAM or something. Guns and bullets, that's all.
TMCTLT Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 6:40 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Government agencies need to have weapons. Not like they asked for a SAM or something. Guns and bullets, that's all.



That broad statement is total Bull****...

You'll forgive me Robert but some of the agencies defy any reason to be armed, and they are NOT your run of the mill sidearms or shotguns they're ordering either,. But you go on and defend their lunacy.
Buckwheat Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 7:42 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
They can, ON THEIR own F'n dime just the like the rest of us.....


I agree with you on this point. I do see the government's spending as being a separate but related topic. When reading the story in the original link this stood out to me:

"Dan Cannon, a writer for the blog Guns Save Lives, notes that the U.S. Forest Service and its law enforcement division are under the USDA's control, and could be a likely place for the firearms to be used."

I'm fine if this is where these are going to be used under the USDA. I do think that any agencies' request outside of normally used items for anything that tax dollars are paying for should be explained and justified.
TMCTLT Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 7:49 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
I agree with you on this point. I do see the government's spending as being a separate but related topic. When reading the story in the original link this stood out to me:

"Dan Cannon, a writer for the blog Guns Save Lives, notes that the U.S. Forest Service and its law enforcement division are under the USDA's control, and could be a likely place for the firearms to be used."

I'm fine if this is where these are going to be used under the USDA. I do think that any agencies' request outside of normally used items for anything that tax dollars are paying for should be explained and justified.



Julian,

I couldn't have worded it any better myself. Beer I'm just not certain I buy into their reasoning, guys have been growing weed in State / Federal forests for decades.....why the all the sudden are they "policing it harder than ever?
And as previously stated, it SEEMS like every gov. Agency is beefing up with military grade equipment.

Found this interesting article....http://futurewarstories.blogspot.com/2013/01/fws-armory-battle-rifle-and-dmr.html
Gene363 Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 8:21 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Government agencies need to have weapons. Not like they asked for a SAM or something. Guns and bullets, that's all.


Robert, they are buying sub-machine guns, not side arms. Why not use the FBI or US Marshals? This taking the watse and duplication of armed services purchases x100.


See" https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=9fc3a01217d03b0354e1e18b69aa7bad&tab=core&_cview=0
Quote:

Synopsis:

The U.S. Department of Agriculture, Office of Inspector General, located in Washington, DC, pursuant to the authority of FAR Part 13, has a requirement for the commerical acquisition of submachine guns, .40 Cal. S&W, ambidextrous safety, semi-automatic or 2 shot burts trigger group, Tritium night sights for front and rear, rails for attachment of flashlight (front under fore grip) and scope (top rear), stock-collapsilbe or folding, magazine - 30 rd. capacity, sling, light weight, and oversized trigger guard for gloved operation. NO SOLICITATION DOCUMENT EXISTS. All responsible and/or interested sources may submit their company name, point of contact, and telephone. If received timely, shall be considered by the agency for contact to determine weapon suitability.
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#17 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 8:45 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Robert, they are buying sub-machine guns, not side arms. Why not use the FBI or US Marshals? This taking the watse and duplication of armed services purchases x100.


See" https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=9fc3a01217d03b0354e1e18b69aa7bad&tab=core&_cview=0



When the US Army won't fire on it's own citizenry...perhaps the Homeland of Security will...if they don't...maybe the USDA...who do they arm next? Elementary school crossing guards?

Watching our local police force wear paramilitary uniforms and driving tracked vehicles is cool!
Gene363 Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 9:07 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
When the US Army won't fire on it's own citizenry...perhaps the Homeland of Security will...if they don't...maybe the USDA...who do they arm next? Elementary school crossing guards?

Watching our local police force wear paramilitary uniforms and driving tracked vehicles is cool!


Gene363 wrote:

Obummer can't get enough generals to agree to shoot citizens so he is forming a domestic army.


It's all cool until someone gets angry at you and calls in a tip to the police that results in your home being invaded, your pets killed and worst of all, the death of yourself and or family members.
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 12:31 PM EST
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Maybe they need the weaponry to stop the abuse of the "angus beef" label.
Hillbillyjosh770 Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 7:31 PM EST
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Paranoia stricks deeps.......
Into your mind it will creep.....
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#21 Posted: Sun, May 18 2014, 7:37 PM EST
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It's an arms race between the citizens and the government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t83sKtl8gk0
rfenst Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, May 20 2014, 2:51 AM EST
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Here’s the USDA’s justification, via Politico:

USDA responded to POLITICO by explaining that there are more than 100 agents employed by the law enforcement division of the department’s Office of the Inspector General who carry such weapons because they are involved in the investigation of criminal activities, including fraud, theft of government property, bribery, extortion, smuggling and assaults on employees. From fiscal 2012 through March 2014, OIG investigations pertaining to USDA operations have netted more than 2,000 indictments, 1,350 convictions and over $460 million in monetary results, the OIG told POLITICO in a subsequent email.
HockeyDad Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, May 20 2014, 6:07 AM EST
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If Obama would have repealed the Patriot Act, we wouldn't have every Federal agency running around with policing powers and military-grade weaponry.
TMCTLT Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, May 21 2014, 7:48 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Here’s the USDA’s justification, via Politico:

USDA responded to POLITICO by explaining that there are more than 100 agents employed by the law enforcement division of the department’s Office of the Inspector General who carry such weapons because they are involved in the investigation of criminal activities, including fraud, theft of government property, bribery, extortion, smuggling and assaults on employees. From fiscal 2012 through March 2014, OIG investigations pertaining to USDA operations have netted more than 2,000 indictments, 1,350 convictions and over $460 million in monetary results, the OIG told POLITICO in a subsequent email.



Yeah they probably need these kinds of weaponry for policing fraud / bribery / extortion.....sure they do. Whistle

The guns, the department says, should have an "semi-automatic or 2 shot burst trigger group, Tritium night sights for front and rear, rails for attachment of flashlight (front under fore grip) and scope (top rear), stock-collapsible or folding, magazine - 30 rd. capacity, sling, lightweight, and oversized trigger guard for gloved operation."

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