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Report: Employee health care premiums rising under ObamaCare
Burner02 Offline
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The Daily Caller - "American workers are feeling the brunt of higher premiums and out-of-pocket costs from their employer health plans, according to a new report released Wednesday.

In the first year that the health care law’s regulations and coverage are active, 86 percent of workers expect their personal medical costs to increase, according to the annual Aflac WorkForces Report, which has studied the landscape of employer-provided health coverage since Obamacare was passed in 2010.

That’s in line with employers’ projections as well. In 2013, 56 percent of companies increased their employees’ share of health care premiums or co-pays; another 59 percent plan to do the same by the end of 2014.

Employers and insurance companies have both markedly shifted towards a new model where consumers pay higher out-of-pocket costs every time they actually use health services — in addition to rising premiums.

A vast majority of workers still feel insecure about medical costs, however: The report found that the average American worker is just one serious medical event away from financial hardship.

Sixty-six percent fear that they wouldn’t be able to handle the large costs of a serious illness or injury. When it comes to paying unexpected out-of-pocket medical costs, 49 percent of workers have less than $1,000 on hand; 27 percent of employees have less than $500.

Employees’ consistent worries about handling health-care costs were supposed to be alleviated by the health-care law, but even insured employees remain largely unprepared to deal with typical out-of-pocket costs.

The threat of bankruptcy due to unexpected medical costs was a key talking point for the Affordable Care Act’s supporters. Obamacare limits insurers’ ability to cap annual and lifetime payments for essential health benefits, but with many workers unable to pay over $1,000 out-of-pocket, financial hardships will arise for more routine health services.

While workers continue to struggle with health-care costs, employers are scrambling to lower their own ballooning health-care costs, naming it their top business concern. In 2013, 21 percent of companies surveyed converted full-time workers to part time, avoiding health-insurance costs; and 22 percent eliminated or reduced offered employee benefits.

Even on top of rising premiums, the cost outlook for employer-provided health insurance, which cover approximately 157 million Americans, remains bleak. Already, a long list of taxes will be passed from insurers to employers to workers, and more are due to hit in the next several years.

The employer mandate to provide health insurance will hit all companies that don’t provide health plans in 2016; and in 2018, the “Cadillac tax,” a 40 percent excise tax on high-cost health plans, will hit employers as well."






Seems to be working as planned!
DrafterX Offline
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those bassards..!! Mad
gryphonms Offline
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Gee, there's a supprise.

Sarcasm
Gene363 Offline
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Hey, when you get the gouberment to make people buy your product you can charge as much as you please.

Keep electing democrats, they are working hard to get everyone the same wonderful care provided to our veterans.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Where is fancy bread?

In the heart or in the head?
Whistle
Brewha Offline
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‘The Daily Caller’ is a conservative rag that mixes opinions, conjecture and made up stuff with a small bit of fact and calls it “news”.

Next week they will run a story “exposing” that having nutritious meals in grade schools is too expensive and is undermining our economy. And many people will buy it.





Besides, we all know that now that healthcare reform is underway the US is doomed . . .
DrafterX Offline
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ya... doomed... Sad
Brewha Offline
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Our only hope now is for our trickle down to arrive . . . .
HockeyDad Offline
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We have a surplus of peasants. Obama's making more!
teedubbya Offline
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Gene363 wrote:

Hey, when you get the gouberment to make people buy your product you can charge as much as you please.

Keep electing democrats, they are working hard to get everyone the same wonderful care provided to our veterans.



I'm not a fan of the act, but this statement is incorrect on both counts. The devils in the detail regarding charges and costs. And the VA system is the opposite of obama care in terms of structure and design.
Gene363 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm not a fan of the act, but this statement is incorrect on both counts. The devils in the detail regarding charges and costs. And the VA system is the opposite of obama care in terms of structure and design.


Oh sure if you have an approved employer paid program you don't need to buy through the government exchange only because you or your employer already purchased approved levels of coverage. And yes, you can refuse to buy a policy but you are required to pay a fine/tax into the federal coffers. Good thing, the government will need a ton of money to make up profits for the insurance companies under the rules of obama care.

The structure of the VA system is not material, it is a government run system that fails to deliver and costs a ton of money.
teedubbya Offline
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You still don't get it on the costs. And the structure of the va system is absolutely material if comparing it to obamacare.

I know you were just ripping on both but there is not much there there.

That said I'm no fan of obamacare and what is happening in the va is nothing short of criminal.
Gene363 Offline
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Uhm, OK.
cacman Offline
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Pay attention to the VA Hospital situation. It's a clear glimpse into the future of Obamamcare.
teedubbya Offline
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O brother.
DrafterX Offline
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Does the VA have death panels..??? Huh
cacman Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Does the VA have death panels..??? Huh

Believe the VA calls them "Waiting Lists".
tailgater Offline
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Brewha wrote:
‘The Daily Caller’ is a conservative rag that mixes opinions, conjecture and made up stuff with a small bit of fact and calls it “news”.



Shooting the messenger doesn't make the message less true.
TMCTLT Offline
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cacman wrote:
Pay attention to the VA Hospital situation. It's a clear glimpse into the future of Obamamcare.



Yessir Carl I believe that will hold true as well. ram27bat




teedubbya wrote:
O brother.



YOU KNOW it's TRUE, look at what these two have done to the US already!! The 1st lady ( no caps intentional ) has completely F'd up the amount spent on school lunch programs... ( read grown to " three squares a day " and tripled in cost) and we're STILL hearing about the POOR health of school aged kids. Let's face it, these two screw up everything they touch.
teedubbya Offline
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I agree on the lunch program. I just can't agree on the VA/Obamacare. The two are not tied. They are structurally very different. One is a single payor government system with owned providers. The other is a multiple payor system with private insurers and private providers. To my knowledge there is very little in that OIG report that can be remotely tied to the ACA model other than the word healthcare.

This one comes (OEI-04-10-00181) a little closer to what could happen in ACA but even it is a stretch since you again have multiple private payors. Where it at least gets closer is the incompetance (systems/structures whatever) could effect how the private payors are reimbursed. It's a strtech too other than the general incompatance/eff up peice.

The VA is a different animal, and things have been effed up structurally there for a long time..... I'm talking delivery systems not specific care at any given facility. What has happened there is likely criminal as well as ineptitude. But it doesn't remotely tie to Ocare unless you really really really want it to. I'm just looking at the structure and points in each structure where you can pull such shennanigans.


And don't get me started on the lunch program. I eat lunch with my daughter periodically and I've never seen so much fruit and vegetables thrown away before. They force them to take them even if they say they are not going to eat them. Then they can claim how many more veges and fruits are eaten and how much healthier it is. Shame.
teedubbya Offline
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To be clear.... ocare will have problems of it's own I just dont see the VA as an indicator or predictor.
DrafterX Offline
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Are you gonna apply for Shinseki's job..?? Huh
Buckwheat Offline
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My company's premiums actually went down for 2014 for both the company and the employees.

This may be atypical but I'm sure that we aren't alone.
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I would agree with TW that it is a stretch to find linkage between Obamacare and the VA. That being said both are seriously flawed. What the VA has done is immoral and criminal IMHO.
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Are you gonna apply for Shinseki's job..?? Huh


No. That is one job I would not have wanted prior to him taking it let alone following. Their back logs have been legendary for decades.
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
To be clear.... ocare will have problems of it's own I just dont see the VA as an indicator or predictor.


Don't ignore the common factor: US Federal Government control and oversight.

When the worlds least efficient organization takes over something so big as our health insurance industry??
Please.
Any expectation other than "expensive failure" is born from naivete or partisan blindness.



cacman Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Don't ignore the common factor: US Federal Government control and oversight.

When the worlds least efficient organization takes over something so big as our health insurance industry??
Please.
Any expectation other than "expensive failure" is born from naivete or partisan blindness.

Look at how well the USPS and Social Security are "efficiently" run!
And now you want them involved with your healthcare???
Remember the next time you're put on a waiting list for 3+ months to see a specialist that's within your network!
DrafterX Offline
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it's going to take more money and more doctors........ Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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I never underestimate the inefficiency of government, although I don't find it absolute. Not much is.

That said I look at the system for weak or entry points. The systems are dissimilar.

You are right in one regard. It's hard to argue with broad overgeneralized statements. That's why folks make them because you don't have to back them up with credible information.

tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:


It's hard to argue with broad overgeneralized statements.



Be more specific.
teedubbya Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Be more specific.


no. you will just argue with me.
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This is something I find kind of hilarious.

TW is a jack@ss... we all know that. However, his experience in life is specifically in healthcare and insurance (and generally douchnozzelry). One would think that his opinion on the topic, or information he provides, would be weighted slightly higher than your average idiot on this board.

But no... if he isn't agreeing with whatever stupidity is being tossed about regarding obamacare, he's uninformed...

Seriously... if you guys thought it in any way supported obama, you would argue Pi isn't valid.
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victor809 wrote:
This is something I find kind of hilarious.

TW is a jack@ss... we all know that. However, his experience in life is specifically in healthcare and insurance (and generally douchnozzelry). One would think that his opinion on the topic, or information he provides, would be weighted slightly higher than your average idiot on this board.

But no... if he isn't agreeing with whatever stupidity is being tossed about regarding obamacare, he's uninformed...

Seriously... if you guys thought it in any way supported obama, you would argue Pi isn't valid.




Are you saying that both of you are jack@sses?
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:


Seriously... if you guys thought it in any way supported obama, you would argue Pi isn't valid.


Wait until you get to the end...
victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Wait until you get to the end...


Psh, I added the last number.
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gryphonms wrote:
I would agree with TW that it is a stretch to find linkage between Obamacare and the VA. That being said both are seriously flawed. What the VA has done is immoral and criminal IMHO.



So as not to be mis understood, not trying to " find linkage between the two " more of a general statement that WHATEVER the FED GOV. Touches.....turns to S.H.I.T. And yes it happens under most POTUS. HOWEVERthis President's claim to fame was how TRANSPARENT this administration was gonna be compared to it's predecessor 's.......and he was gonna be " MR. FIXIT ". LMAO fog
cacman Offline
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victor809 wrote:
This is something I find kind of hilarious.

TW is a jack@ss... we all know that. However, his experience in life is specifically in healthcare and insurance (and generally douchnozzelry). One would think that his opinion on the topic, or information he provides, would be weighted slightly higher than your average idiot on this board.

But no... if he isn't agreeing with whatever stupidity is being tossed about regarding obamacare, he's uninformed...

Seriously... if you guys thought it in any way supported obama, you would argue Pi isn't valid.
Burner02 wrote:
Are you saying that both of you are jack@sses?

No I think he's calling me an idiot even though I do understand that Obamacare is much different than the VA, and that the VA is much different than the USPS. TMCTLT & TG make the point that is obviously missed. The linkage between them all is the federal guberment is involved. Anything the feds touch turns to sh|t with overspending, fraud, higher taxes, and corruption. Instead of fixing the insurance & healthcare cost problem, all the Fed has done is force everyone to buy into it. Basically giving the insurance companies free reign to charge whatever they want without regulation. Insurance should be available nationwide and not restricted by State borders. My wife's a nurse and deals with the healthcare regulations everyday. It's gotten worse - not better. Next the Feds will be telling us we all have to buy a Chevy. Look how well that worked-out when the guberment got involved. Should have let Chevy crash & burn like many of the people that died driving their defective autos, instead of being protected by bankruptcy as the "new" GM.

But the Fed knows what's best for all us…
cacman Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I agree on the lunch program.

What??? You don't agree with educating & feeding EVERY child that enters this Country (illegally or not)?
Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Shooting the messenger doesn't make the message less true.

In this case, it would take genuine talent to make it less true . . . .
victor809 Offline
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cacman wrote:
No I think he's calling me an idiot


Actually, I was calling all of us idiots. But if you want to single yourself out, that's cool too.
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Obamacare will be a windfall for the insurance industry. Just like TARP was for the banking industry. If one hasn't noticed, the Repubs are backing away from their quest to repeal it. I would be interested to see just how much $$$$$$$$$ was passed out on each side of the isle by the health insurance lobby.


victor809 wrote:
Actually, I was calling all of us idiots. But if you want to single yourself out, that's cool too.


Pawns is a better descriptor
cacman Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Actually, I was calling all of us idiots. But if you want to single yourself out, that's cool too.

Force of habit. Hear it a lot at home.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Obamacare will be a windfall for the insurance industry. Just like TARP was for the banking industry. If one hasn't noticed, the Repubs are backing away from their quest to repeal it. I would be interested to see just how much $$$$$$$$$ was passed out on each side of the isle by the health insurance lobby.



Has anyone used the terms "Insurance" & "Bailout" together in a search engine?

Now, who has the most to gain by giving access to "affordable healthcare"???
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Has anyone used the terms "Insurance" & "Bailout" together in a search engine?

Now, who has the most to gain by giving access to "affordable healthcare"???


Instant clientele. Not so affordable. Premiums collected. Benefits not paid.
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DrafterX wrote:
it's going to take more money and more doctors........ Mellow


You forgot about the attorneys! fog
cacman Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
You forgot about the attorneys! fog

… and the hundreds of new IRS positions added to make sure everyone's pays their fine.
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Medicare could pay for sex-change surgeries under decision by federal board
http://us.cnn.com/2014/05/30/health/medicare-sex-change-surgeries/index.html?hpt=he_c2
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