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Recently released Taliban POW or deserter?
stogiemonger Offline
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It seems as if we may have released 5 Taliban members from GITMO, in exchange for an American POW whom may have actually deserted.

Here's a link to a CBS story about him from 2012. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-us-soldier-held-by-taliban-was-ashamed-to-be-american-emails-show/
stogiemonger Offline
#2 Posted:
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Links only work sometimes for me.




ZRX1200 Offline
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Yeah that story smells just like the Navy Seals that were murdered and high on smack........

People are being wacked that know too much
stogiemonger Offline
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Is anyone else concerned about the precedent of our negotiating with terrorist for this man's release?

Did we essentially put a price (5 high ranking Taliban members released in exchange for one American soldier) on American soldiers heads with this negotiation?

Was this legal of the President to even negotiate?

Can anyone tell the class what the penalty usually is for desertion in a time of war?



56 views of this thread, and one comment? (thanks ZRX)
Burner02 Offline
#5 Posted:
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Seems rather odd that the Taliban let this soldier live. Not normally their MO.
teedubbya Offline
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I have mixed feelings about it but in some ways we seem to want to have our cake and eat it too.

If the war in Afghanistan is truly over in a traditional sense this is a prisoner exchange and has always happened. Under GWB we went through great pains to tie them to the war to make sure they didn't have certain rights. If the war is over ........ It could be argued they all should be released (or charged with some sort or war crime)

On the other hand I thought those still in gitmo are the worst. I'm not comfortable releasing them at all. But where does the law fall? At some point we do need to follow a legal process and not manufacture another silly yet convienient one for us.

Maybe these guys will find their demise in Qatar.

As for our guy I hesitate to smear somene who has been through what he presumably has until there is very VERY solid evidence to do so. Its too easy to sit here getting fat playing mmqb while others do our bidding. I'm not suggesting no one look in to it if there are descrepancies, I'm just saying I don't have any info and I'm not about to smear a soldier as part of some conspiracy hobby.



teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted:
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To be clear my first gut impression was wtf. When did we start negotiating with terrorists. Then I started to think about it more. Not sure where I will ultimately land.
teedubbya Offline
#8 Posted:
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I dunno. I didn't follow this much yesterday. Listening to things this morning makes me more uneasy.
cacman Offline
#9 Posted:
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Mights as well give them arms & ammunition too! Oh wait… we already did that!
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted:
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Back in the 80s?
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted:
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No TW we've been arming the taliban quite recently.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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I hadn't heard the deserter thing... it it turns about to be true then ya... there should prolly be some outrage... Mellow
cacman Offline
#13 Posted:
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Apparently it's OK to break the law because the Administration can't trust Congress???
Don't tell Congress because it may be leaked.
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted:
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I think Bush did a great thing getting this prisoner released.

Wait? What?

I think Obama did a horrible thing getting this prisoner released.
DrafterX Offline
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I heard we implanted explosives in the Taliban guys necks and they will explode in ten days anyway... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#16 Posted:
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We rarely do exchanges with known terrorists.
We never negotiate with known terrorists.
When we finally do these things, we learn that it was ordered illegally and for a probable deserter.

I can't wait for Obama to simply deny and deflect all questions so that a month from now we can listen to the liberals call the questions absurd and accuse those who ask for the truth of being racist.


tailgater Offline
#17 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard we implanted explosives in the Taliban guys necks and they will explode in ten days anyway... Mellow


I heard something similar.
Only it wasn't in their necks.
And it was TW doing the "implanting".

DrMaddVibe Offline
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OMG!!!


I thought the Kenyan King closed Gitmo??? He said he was going to.

Now we negotiate with terrorists...cool.

When are we gonna drop a nuke on them? We need to see if ours are still fresh. We might be holding on to a bad batch.
DrafterX Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
OMG!!!


I thought the Kenyan King closed Gitmo??? He said he was going to.



He couldn't handle the truth... Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
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So we traded 1 AWOL soldier for 5 high level terrorists?

Does the AWOL soldier look like the Kenyan King's son?
gryphonms Offline
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I see multiple problems with this.

1) Obama broke the law!
2) 5 supposedly dangerous terrorists were released.
3) The sergeant seems anti American, and may have deserted.
4) Some are of the opinion that he should be given a free pass due to being held hostage for 5 years.
5) No one in the press seems very interested in the brave men that died searching for him.
DrafterX Offline
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gryphonms wrote:

5) No one in the press seems very interested in the brave men that died searching for him.



They Can't handle the Truth..!! ram27bat
Gene363 Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
I see multiple problems with this.

1) Obama broke the law!
2) 5 supposedly dangerous terrorists were released.
3) The sergeant seems anti American, and may have deserted.
4) Some are of the opinion that he should be given a free pass due to being held hostage for 5 years.
5) No one in the press seems very interested in the brave men that died searching for him.


+1 and Obama is a lawless islamic sycophant at the very least.
victor809 Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
3) The sergeant seems anti American, and may have deserted.


I'm throwing a flag on the play.

Can't say people seem "anti American" unless they're brownish looking and can be accused of coming from a non-European foreign country. Bonus if their name seems foreign and scary to you.
gryphonms Offline
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^ LMAO, OK.......he might be Americaphobic.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
I'm throwing a flag on the play.

Can't say people seem "anti American" unless they're brownish looking and can be accused of coming from a non-European foreign country. Bonus if their name seems foreign and scary to you.



Uh, he's from Idaho and his name is Bergdahl.
DrafterX Offline
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Here’s a closer look at the five Taliban commanders released in exchange for Bergdahl:

Abdul Haq Wasiq

Thought to be in his early 40s, Wasiq served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and “had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leadership,” according to an internal memo that assessed risk at Guantanamo. He reportedly used his office to support Al Qaeda “and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture.” He also reportedly arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff. Wasiq belongs to the Khogyani Tribe and began his religious training under his father, Muhammad Saleem, who died in 1981.Three years later, he went to study Islam at Warah, a school located on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border near the Khyber Pass. When the Taliban assumed control in Afghanistan, a number of Islamic students, including Wasiq, went to Kabul. Wasiq has been accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture. According to a report by the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Wasiq “arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.”

Mullah Norullah Noori

As a senior Taliban military commander, Noori has been described in government reports as a military mastermind of sorts who engaged in hostilities “against U.S. and Coalition forces in Zabul Province.” Noori developed close ties to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban officials, according to the JTF-GITMO report.

Mullah Mohammad Fazi

As the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister, Fazi was held at Guantanamo after being identified as an enemy combatant by the United States. Fazi is an admitted senior commander who served as chief of staff of the Taliban Army and as a commander of its 22nd Division. He’s also wanted by the United Nations on war crimes for the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan. According to documents, Fazi “wielded considerable influence throughout the northern region of Afghanistan and his influence continued after his capture.” The Taliban has used Fazi’s capture as a recruiting tool. “If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties” with other terrorist groups, the Guantanamo report says.

Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa

Khairkhwa is the former governor of the Herat province and has close ties with Usama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. According to the Joint Task Force Guantanamo file, Khairkhwa “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and coalition forces.” Khairkhwa and his deputies are suspected of being associated with an extremist military training camp run by the Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was killed in 2006. U.S. authorities have also accused Khairkhwa of becoming a powerful opium trafficker.

Mohammad Nabi Omari

As a senior Taliban leader, Nabi Omari held multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups. Pre-9/11, Nabi Omari worked border security for the Taliban – a position that gave him “access to senior Taliban commander and leader of the Haqqani Network, Jalaluddin Haqqani,” according to the report.

Film at 11.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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If the reports are true, then according to his platoon mates he denounced America soon before deserting his post.
One quote said that he "wasn't proud to be American".

Which might explain why the Obama's have taken such a shine to him...
DrafterX Offline
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you suppose he destroyed his weapon and stuff before he got captured..??? Think
HockeyDad Offline
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tailgater wrote:

One quote said that he "wasn't proud to be American".




Lee Greenwood is gonna be pissed.
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:


Mohammad Nabi Omari

As a senior Taliban leader, Nabi Omari held multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups. Pre-9/11, Nabi Omari worked border security for the Taliban – a position that gave him “access to senior Taliban commander and leader of the Haqqani Network, Jalaluddin Haqqani,” according to the report.

Film at 11.... Mellow


I've read enough resumes full of padding and no actual work. "multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups".... that reads just like those bad resumes you get from people who haven't actually done a single concrete thing in their entire work history. The other 4 may actually be valuable, but this guy is probably their pizza delivery guy.
DrafterX Offline
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sounds like some sort of 'organizer'... Think
BuckyB93 Offline
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Hey, pizzas don't deliver themselves.
Buckwheat Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah that story smells just like the Navy Seals that were murdered and high on smack........

People are being wacked that know too much


Sounds like you just made the list. Sarcasm
DrafterX Offline
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I could sure use a slice of pizza about now.... Mellow
dkeage Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I could sure use a slice of pizza about now.... Mellow

U ever try da Papa Murphy's?
DrafterX Offline
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d'oh!
gryphonms Offline
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Applause although horse
Gene363 Offline
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On the Positive side... Obama is finally is proud of a US solider.
rfenst Offline
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Let the guy have his due process to the extent permitted in the military. Then, if he deserted punish him accordingly. Admittedly, when I pre-judge him, it appears he did desert.
teedubbya Offline
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Nah. They will just cover it up and our info is more solid than theirs anyway.
cacman Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Nah. They will just cover it up and our info is more solid than theirs anyway.

Why am I reminded of the movie "Wag the Dog"?

Picked-up a Costco pizza.
Gene363 Offline
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Interesting information here:

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/143437-american-soldier-served-bowe-bergdahl-casts-doubt-official-story-fears-reprisal-obama-administration/
snowwolf777 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
I've read enough resumes full of padding and no actual work.



"Tasked by upper management on a daily basis to solely create forward locomotion (within and outside main office), the terminal objective being the postal containment unit next to the blacktop infrastructure. Worked independently to remove contents of various sizes and returned all contents, damage free, to corporate main office. Proven as a multi-tasker within this discipline, as I occasionally simultaneously placed a flame to the end of a paper tube filled with shredded tobacco and produced smoke."

That kinda resume?




victor809 Offline
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snowwolf777 wrote:
"Tasked by upper management on a daily basis to solely create forward locomotion (within and outside main office), the terminal objective being the postal containment unit next to the blacktop infrastructure. Worked independently to remove contents of various sizes and returned all contents, damage free, to corporate main office. Proven as a multi-tasker within this discipline, as I occasionally simultaneously placed a flame to the end of a paper tube filled with shredded tobacco and produced smoke."

That kinda resume?






Where'd you get svenR's resume? :)
snowwolf777 Offline
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It's all over the Interwebs.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
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God's direct assistant in maintaining global laws such as gravity. Applied myself strenuously to objects, padded or otherwise, to assure they did not float away. Position required patience, a lot if down time, and at times was a 24 hour multiple position undertaking.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
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Oh yeah, and democrats have no chance in 2016 so republicans go ahead and rally now but don't be disappointed when the party knows the same thing and only gets a 4 year president because they didn't squeeze in the best. This whole story reminds me of the bully's in the Adam Sandler movies that yell out O'Doyle rules everytime they pick on someone. Obama negotiates this and gets in front of America, "Obama Rules!"
teedubbya Offline
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I wish I had a dollah for every time someone in here proclaimed a sure republican victory.
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teedubbya wrote:
I wish I had a dollah for every time someone in here proclaimed a sure republican victory.

I keep getting voice mails at home from the Rick Sanitorium people. Is this a sign? I'm not even a PA resident!
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