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Liberal groups angry with SC pols over order to teach Constitution
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SammyETN Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 1:34 PM EST
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Going to clarify, and then I will be done here because obviously no one's opinion is going to change. My entire point from the beginning is put opinions and personal beliefs aside and do what the Constitution says. Everybody is equal and everybody gets the same rights.
victor809 Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 1:57 PM EST
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SammyETN wrote:
Going to clarify, and then I will be done here


Don't lie, you know you can't stay away from this, the masochist in you won't allow it.
gryphonms Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 2:11 PM EST
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Ah, Sammy is on a rant, been there done that. Though some Dennis Miller or Denis Leary styling would be fun.
tailgater Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 2:33 PM EST
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SammyETN wrote:
Going to clarify, and then I will be done here because obviously no one's opinion is going to change. My entire point from the beginning is put opinions and personal beliefs aside and do what the Constitution says. Everybody is equal and everybody gets the same rights.


So let's go back to the OP.
Seems that this college wants to remove the teaching of the Constitution as required curriculum.
victor809 Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 3:09 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So let's go back to the OP.
Seems that this college wants to remove the teaching of the Constitution as required curriculum.


That is a gross misstatement.

Charleston College had a "freshman reading" program in which a single book is distributed to all Freshmen. This is not really part of the curricula for the college, as there isn't a class or any grading associated with this. To call it mandated reading is a horrendous stretch. The book selected one year dealt with a lesbian living in the south.

USC-Upstate has a full year Writing101 course which is mandatory for all freshmen. The book discussed in this course changes annually and one year they selected a book which was a collection of stories about gay/transgender lives.

As these are state schools, the legislature decided to reduce the budget for each school by exactly the cost of these two programs. This specific money was only returned with an earmark that it be used to instruct students on the constitution.

Legislature dictating college curricula through $$ is an issue. This is an issue on an educational side of things and butts up against the entire concept of tenure. If a state college has to worry about its curriculum pissing off whatever state is giving it funding, then you cannot expect the school to teach any controversial ideas. May as well give up on getting a science program of any value in the south.

tailgater Offline
#56 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 3:40 PM EST
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Vic,
I know.

But in all honesty, I do find it strange that the same school board who chose a knowingly controversial subject matter like transgenders, is the same school board that is now taking a stand against the long arm of the state legislature and their earmarked funding.

The state shouldn't be involved in the curricula, I agree.
But an outside eye might consider the choice reading matter was intended to ruffle feathers, so when Newton's 3rd Law is applied to the budget there should have been no surprise.

Think about it:
A book about transgendered people is added to a mandatory freshman class by choice.
But when a course about the US Constitution is suggested (with proper reward, I might add), it is met with opposition.
jetblasted Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 4:12 PM EST
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Meh ... The declaration of the bill of constitution rights was written 100 years ago . . .

That was a *long* time ago . . .

yawn.

tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 4:23 PM EST
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I think it's a silly fight.
College kids can handle pretty much any subject matter. And I think the state WAY over stepped their authority on this one.

But look at it from their perspective:
The school would rather teach about transgendered for free, then to get paid to teach the Constitution.























Whistle
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 6:05 PM EST
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The republican governor had it right. The legislature needs to quit micromanaging the university. Slippery slope.

The whole constitution thing is a red herring and just fodder for folks to argue politics rather than anything constructive.
victor809 Offline
#60 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 7:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The republican governor had it right. The legislature needs to quit micromanaging the university. Slippery slope.

The whole constitution thing is a red herring and just fodder for folks to argue politics rather than anything constructive.


What?????
You mean to tell me they chose the constitution as a topic so that when the University and/or supporters complained that the state is trying to dictate a curricula, they could get the "Ivy Tower Liberals hate Amurrica!" group????

Say it isn't so!
gryphonms Offline
#61 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 7:19 PM EST
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Well at least you did not say Ivory that would be so not PC!
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted: Mon, Jun 16 2014, 7:34 PM EST
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Crap.. is that what the right wing nutjobs like to yell? I can never remember.
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