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gryphonms Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jun 26 2014, 1:50 PM EST
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LMAO, finally someone sees the joke within the joke!
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jun 26 2014, 1:52 PM EST
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so, someone getting stabbed to death with a plastic knife is funny..?? Huh
gryphonms Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jun 26 2014, 2:00 PM EST
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The idea of fighting with dull plastic knives is.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jun 26 2014, 2:10 PM EST
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when they outlaw dull plastic knives, only outlaws will have dull plastic knives... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Jun 27 2014, 9:46 AM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
Close but not quite. I am assuming my odds of survival are better. I would be lucky to hit the broad side of a barn with a hand gun. I know me, I would not work on getting better since I don't like guns. Therefore my odds of survival in a shoot out are small.



The other problem I see with your logic and God forbid the majority begin to think the same way, if THey....( the criminal element ) knows that YOUR willingly just gonna hand over whatever they desire from you....life No longer has the quality it once had. Will you feel the same way if they want your wife....children? Where do we draw the line on what's worth defending and what's not? I personally DO NOT want to simply look the other way while these F'n thugs simply have their way with us.
gryphonms Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Jun 27 2014, 10:08 AM EST
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I think my point of view is in the minority. I think the majority have guns and are willing to use them if forced to. I understand your point of view and that it works for you, but I will not be changing my view point.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Jun 27 2014, 10:39 AM EST
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I think someone needs to spend more time at the gun range!

When the US reaches Mad Maxville...there's not going to be any Cone of Protection beyond what you can hit yourself.
pdxstogieman Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Jul 1 2014, 12:35 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Keep pounding other men in the Ass....and you will Surely die, no question about it. I'll take my chances on the law abiding citizen with a gun. You are one squirrelly ****. Fact IS....most thumpers would not even consider pulling their weapon out if they knew others around them are also armed, they're like yourself in that regard....just chicken ****.


So here's an equally civil response to your retort. Go F**K Yourself.


The hall monitor can determine whether your reply or mine is more offensive. Or if it's offsetting penalties.

Have a nice day.
TMCTLT Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 10:54 AM EST
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pdxstogieman wrote:
So here's an equally civil response to your retort. Go F**K Yourself.


The hall monitor can determine whether your reply or mine is more offensive. Or if it's offsetting penalties.

Have a nice day.



Facts bother you that much? Did I not make it sound " pleasing enough " for you? How do you candy coat this subject?
Here I'll make their job a bit tougher.....F**k you and the dude you rode in on.....have a **** day
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#60 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 12:08 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So... if you guys are done stroking each other you can look at all the holes in his argument.

***standard preface - I think guns are fun and don't actually want to limit your right to own them - feel free to buy a tank for all I f'ing care***

A gun levels the playing ground between the weak and the strong, but it also turns the outcome of a conflict into primarily depending on who shoots first. If no one is armed, then a person doesn't constitute an immediate threat until they're within arms reach (or stick or knife), and even then the threat could be mitigated if you're physically fit. If a stranger is carrying a gun, in the open, they are a potential threat to me from across the room, or further (if they have a long-arm). I don't know who they are, and I have no reason to believe they aren't intending to use that weapon. Additionally, since guns are reasonably lethal devices, I know that if they choose to use this weapon, I will most likely die. Even if they don't kill me the first shot, they'll have plenty of time to shoot again.

If I'm carrying a gun as well, the ONLY way to make sure that my weapon can be used defensively is to make sure I shoot them before they shoot me. A gun does me absolutely no good if I'm laying on the ground bleeding out of a gut wound while it's still in its holster. I'm not a quick-draw... that means I need to have my gun out and pointing at any armed person before they pull their gun out and point it at me. That way I can simply pull the trigger while they're still unholstering their gun (keep in mind, anyone is going to pull out their gun if someone is pointing a weapon at them)....

So, in a situation where we're all walking around armed and I have to assume any of the sketchy looking people around me could be the next workplace/walmart/highscool shooter, I have to start shooting everyone before they shoot me.

Yeah... real civilized.


"the sketchy looking people around me"

Not all people label others as sketchy, before getting to know them. Sounds like an "ism" of one sort or another peeking it's head out to me.
TMCTLT Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 12:13 PM EST
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iamuser1see wrote:
"the sketchy looking people around me"

Not all people label others as sketchy, before getting to know them. Sounds like an "ism" of one sort or another peeking it's head out to me.



Gotta consider the source, this IS the same guy who thinks ALL children should be euthanized d'oh!
pdxstogieman Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:49 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Facts bother you that much? Did I not make it sound " pleasing enough " for you? How do you candy coat this subject?
Here I'll make their job a bit tougher.....F**k you and the dude you rode in on.....have a **** day


The limits of your vocabulary and your IQ match. You seem to be very fixated on homosexual sex acts. Maybe you should come out of the closet. It's hard to detect any trace of fact in posts from you that typically concentrate on affecting the style of a scorned 12 year old.
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#63 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:52 PM EST
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pdxstogieman wrote:
The limits of your vocabulary and your IQ match. You seem to be very fixated on homosexual sex acts. Maybe you should come out of the closet. It's hard to detect any trace of fact in posts from you that typically concentrate on affecting the style of a scorned 12 year old.



If he did come out of the closet...not that there's anything wrong with that...would you finally embrace him as one of yours? Devoid of facts and stuff.
MACS Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:56 PM EST
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Victor and I don't usually see eye to eye, and I'd be willing to bet our political ideologies (yours and mine) are more alike than they are different, but you do seem really angry.

And it seems to me some of what you post doesn't seem very well thought out... and very homophobic. You DO realize victor is not a real 'rugby player', right?

And as far as the original post by the retired marine, I would tend to agree that if everyone carried we'd be more civil to one another.

I believe there was a study done in a Florida county where they issued CCW's to everyone (who qualified) that requested one... the crime rate went down. Significantly. Chicago has had the same results on their murder rate, according to the outlets reporting on it.
victor809 Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:58 PM EST
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iamuser1see wrote:
"the sketchy looking people around me"

Not all people label others as sketchy, before getting to know them. Sounds like an "ism" of one sort or another peeking it's head out to me.


I'm not sure which "ism" it would be. Statistically speaking, the most likely person to start a mass shooting (I'm not talking about a mugging, or a robbery or anything predictable like that, I'm talking flat out random mass shooting) is an angry white male.

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#66 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:01 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
You DO realize victor is not a real 'rugby player', right?


To be fair MACS, his poorly conceived arguments on gun control really shouldn't hinge on whether I really want to stick my d*ck in a dude or a chick.

But, like always you have to be the calm voice of reason. Jack@ss.
TMCTLT Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:01 PM EST
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[quote=pdxstogieman]The limits of your vocabulary and your IQ match. You seem to be very fixated on homosexual sex acts. Maybe you should come out of the closet. It's hard to detect any trace of fact in posts from you that typically concentrate on affecting the style of a scorned 12 year old. [/quote]


You can TRY perhaps even Suckseed in coming up with WORDS in our vocabulary that make homosexuality SOUND more pleasing than it is....but it's still abhor rant IMHO

HUH???
HockeyDad Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:03 PM EST
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Victor, are you saying it is predictable that mugging and robbery shooting are done by black males?!
MACS Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To be fair MACS, his poorly conceived arguments on gun control really shouldn't hinge on whether I really want to stick my d*ck in a dude or a chick.

But, like always you have to be the calm voice of reason. Jack@ss.


WTF are you talking about? Voice of reason? Like always?

In what world did THAT happen?

You got the jack@ss part right, I'll concede that point.
TMCTLT Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:06 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Victor and I don't usually see eye to eye, and I'd be willing to bet our political ideologies (yours and mine) are more alike than they are different, but you do seem really angry.

And it seems to me some of what you post doesn't seem very well thought out... and very homophobic. You DO realize victor is not a real 'rugby player', right?

And as far as the original post by the retired marine, I would tend to agree that if everyone carried we'd be more civil to one another.

I believe there was a study done in a Florida county where they issued CCW's to everyone (who qualified) that requested one... the crime rate went down. Significantly. Chicago has had the same results on their murder rate, according to the outlets reporting on it.



Always love it when one person who doesn't agree with " the latest thing sweeping the country" open homosexuality / marriage....gets called a name by others. Did you notice that the name you called those who aren't " on board " DIDN'T get Sensored????
TMCTLT Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To be fair MACS, his poorly conceived arguments on gun control really shouldn't hinge on whether I really want to stick my d*ck in a dude or a chick.

But, like always you have to be the calm voice of reason. Jack@ss.



In YOUR mind my argument is I'll conceived, however numbers prove that MOST agree with MY assessment NOT yours.
And how does it feel when people " do unto you..." With name calling
DrMaddVibe Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:10 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
In what world did THAT happen?





Uranus?Think

victor809 Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:11 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Victor, are you saying it is predictable that mugging and robbery shooting are done by black males?!


No, I'm saying that being involved in a mugging, robbery or similar shooting is much more predictable. Those aren't completely random.

If you buy drugs on the street, you increase your chance of being robbed during the sale, increasing your chance of being shot.
If you live in areas of high burglary rates, you increase your chance of a burglary. If you leave empty 60" flat-screen tv boxes outside your house you really increase your chance.

These are crimes which you can increase or decrease your chance of being involved in them through your personal habits.

Mass shootings however, have much less chance of being predicted.
MACS Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:12 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Always love it when one person who doesn't agree with " the latest thing sweeping the country" open homosexuality / marriage....gets called a name by others. Did you notice that the name you called those who aren't " on board " DIDN'T get Sensored????


I'm neither for or against being gay or lesbian, I simply don't give a sh*t what people do on their own time. I don't want them forcing their ideologies down my throat... and neither do you... so why are you trying to force your ideology down their throat?

And by ideology I don't mean your deek.
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#75 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:13 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
In YOUR mind my argument is I'll conceived, however numbers prove that MOST agree with MY assessment NOT yours.
And how does it feel when people " do unto you..." With name calling



..... what numbers?

.... and how does that prove your argument isn't ill conceived??? There are plenty of people who I agree with the conclusion they came to, but think the logic they used to get to it is absolutely flawed. Is that concept beyond your ability to comprehend?

And how the hell are you even calling me names? I've said it before, are you so stupid to think I find angry gay slurs from an idiot even moderately insulting?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No, I'm saying that being involved in a mugging, robbery or similar shooting is much more predictable. Those aren't completely random.

If you buy drugs on the street, you increase your chance of being robbed during the sale, increasing your chance of being shot.
If you live in areas of high burglary rates, you increase your chance of a burglary. If you leave empty 60" flat-screen tv boxes outside your house you really increase your chance.

These are crimes which you can increase or decrease your chance of being involved in them through your personal habits.

Mass shootings however, have much less chance of being predicted.


If....if...if and more if's!


If'n a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped!
MACS Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:15 PM EST
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And how did we go from gun control to homophobia?

This is Red leader: Stay on topic!!
victor809 Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:17 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
And how did we go from gun control to homophobia?

This is Red leader: Stay on topic!!


Because he's obsessed with it. It's his go-to argument.

HockeyDad Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:41 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No, I'm saying that being involved in a mugging, robbery or similar shooting is much more predictable. Those aren't completely random.

If you buy drugs on the street, you increase your chance of being robbed during the sale, increasing your chance of being shot.
If you live in areas of high burglary rates, you increase your chance of a burglary. If you leave empty 60" flat-screen tv boxes outside your house you really increase your chance.

These are crimes which you can increase or decrease your chance of being involved in them through your personal habits.

Mass shootings however, have much less chance of being predicted.



I thought we said mass shootings happen where angry white males hang out.
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#80 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 2:46 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought we said mass shootings happen where angry white males hang out.


I didn't say that. If that was your takeaway you're probably misreading.
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#81 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 3:18 PM EST
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Victor, I heard your favorite Scotch is Johnnie Walker red label. Now that's an insult!
victor809 Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 4:07 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
Victor, I heard your favorite Scotch is Johnnie Walker red label. Now that's an insult!


Johnny Walker... scotch?....

You sir, are a heathen and an infidel!
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#83 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 7:36 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
..... what numbers?

.... and how does that prove your argument isn't ill conceived??? There are plenty of people who I agree with the conclusion they came to, but think the logic they used to get to it is absolutely flawed. Is that concept beyond your ability to comprehend?

And how the hell are you even calling me names? I've said it before, are you so stupid to think I find angry gay slurs from an idiot even moderately insulting?



They are not slurs, if you read back ALL I did was YOUR language of choice " pounding " so Don't put words in my mouth. You must grow tired of thinking your the smartest mother f*cker in any room. You may be a bit of a wordsmith, but that doesn't erase the fact that you have a very strange view of the world we live in. And I also have to point out that while you have somehow equated me to someone who could snap at any time, your absolutely deranged comments on killing children is just beyond the pale ( rather being done for shock or whatever ) you really are one F'd up individual.


gryphonms wrote:
Victor, I heard your favorite Scotch is Johnnie Walker red label. Now that's an insult!



And here I thought all he like's was juice boxes....
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#84 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 8:11 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
They are not slurs, if you read back ALL I did was YOUR language of choice " pounding " so Don't put words in my mouth. You must grow tired of thinking your the smartest mother f*cker in any room. You may be a bit of a wordsmith, but that doesn't erase the fact that you have a very strange view of the world we live in. And I also have to point out that while you have somehow equated me to someone who could snap at any time, your absolutely deranged comments on killing children is just beyond the pale ( rather being done for shock or whatever ) you really are one F'd up individual.


I'm going to type slowly so you can understand. I have never said you're using slurs.
You really have such poor understanding as to have missed the entire point of multiple posts?

You keep thinking you're insulting me and being clever about it "ALL I did was YOUR language of choice " pounding " so Don't put words in my mouth"... I don't find your poorly worded attempts at insinuating I like to screw men insulting at all.... I would think someone even as slow as you would understand that a person who supports gay rights and is friends with gay people isn't going to think being gay is an insult. But I guess I gave you too much credit.

I do grow tired of thinking I'm the smartest mother f*er in the room. But then you post something and I realize, with a deep existential anguish, that it's the cross I have to bear.

I don't like children, I fully admit it. However, I don't joke about killing other people's children. I simply offer other people the option of killing their own children, there is a significant difference there which I don't expect you to understand.

What's so funny, is you had this long run-on sentence rant about me, yet you failed to answer the very first question I posed to you, which was "what numbers?"... This isn't the first time you've done this. You claimed some numbers were on your side, I asked you what numbers and instead of answering the question you went on some odd rant where you appear to feel persecuted for using the term "pounding". This makes me wonder sometimes exactly what percentage of any post you actually understand. This could be a clue to why you seem so irrationally angry and about to shoot up a wal-mart or some other location.
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#85 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 8:19 PM EST
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I heard happiness is a warm gun and the protest today by a hate group was peeps finally acting American.
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#86 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 8:23 PM EST
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God, guns and guts built the USA.

Victor, STATISTICALLY mass shootings are but a speck on a fly's ass of murders in the US. So why do you the press would push them towards the forefront so much? Maybe ratings and politics?

Citizens used to have a responsibility to be armed, I'm ok that has passed as many don't like guns. That's fine. You don't see gun rights activists calling them names beacause of that or publicly osticising them and trying tp bully that position into unpopular standing. That would be like being homophobic, right?

XXOOXXOO
victor809 Offline
#87 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 9:28 PM EST
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Z... You're right, statistically mass shootings are nothing. But someone walking around publicly and visibly armed are rare as well. I'm not telling someone not to be armed, I'm simply stating that if someone walks into a restaurant or shop visibly armed my first expectation is that they are going to start a mass shooting, thus my statement that threat identification becomes a problem.

As for gun activists not calling people names, I'd like to direct you to TCBYs comments to pdx. I believe he's trying to call unarmed people chicken sh&t... And again, I support the 2nd amendment. I still am free to think that some armed people are unstable... To think someone's your 2nd amendment ally just because they've got a gun is pretty myopic.
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#88 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 9:34 PM EST
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Victoria, you ARE the poster child for " unstable " thinking. I would agree with you IF the person had said gun OUT and was brandishing IT around, but to state that simply " seeing one IN A HOLSTER" is reason enough to believe they're unstable and ready to shoot the lace up is a bit paranoid.....period.
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#89 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 10:50 PM EST
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Victor come hang out in an open carry state.....


Pretty damn normal here.
ZRX1200 Offline
#90 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 10:54 PM EST
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Peoples experiences shape their "normal".


I encourage you to think whatever you want for sure. But when it infringes on my right that states "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and a major portion of folks who do wish to infringe ignore the gov't own statistics **** yeah I will take a stand and will not pull punches.
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#91 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:03 PM EST
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TCBY... If it helps you deal with it, think of it as me supporting an aggressive "stand your ground" defense.

Z... What people miss in all the retarded name calling is that nowhere do I suggest the 2nd amendment be limited. All I said was threat identification becomes a problem and I wouldnt blame someone for shooting first if someone walks into a public space conspicuously armed. I am not restricting anything...

Hell I believe that happened today or yesterday during Georgia's "armed everywhere" law... One guy drew on another because they were both armed.

My point is it doesn't make life more civilized. It just make the uncivilized parts more dangerous for all parties. It's fine with me... Just pointing it out.
ZRX1200 Offline
#92 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 11:18 PM EST
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No I didn't think or say YOU were directly saying or calling for that. Just pointing out the mass shooting misnomer and I disagree with your open carry assesment. That wasn't all directed at you Victor I wasn't very clear about that, and I didn't shoot you!

Winning
JDELLLL Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 8:15 AM EST
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If you've watched this forum over time, you know that Vic is somewhat of a liberal nut.
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#94 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 8:26 AM EST
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A gun tends ho make folks braver. That's ehat happened in Georgia. Keyboards do that too.
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#95 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 8:27 AM EST
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I bet my keyboard is bigger than yours..... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 8:35 AM EST
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Of course it is. Mine was made in Ireland.
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#97 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 8:50 AM EST
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poor bassard... Mellow
MACS Offline
#98 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 10:11 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
A gun tends ho make folks braver. That's ehat happened in Georgia. Keyboards do that too.


Actually, I have a much cooler head when I carry. Probably because I know the potential is there for any situation to become deadly.
TMCTLT Offline
#99 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 10:18 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Actually, I have a much cooler head when I carry. Probably because I know the potential is there for any situation to become deadly.



Now come on Macs, you can't go saying rational caca like that.....you'll just confuse them. BTW I feel the same way, it IS a HUGE responsibility and one NOT to be taken lightly for sure Beer
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#100 Posted: Thu, Jul 3 2014, 10:24 AM EST
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Most my buddies are like you macs. But I also know a few looking to right wrongs. Just hoping for it. Morons.
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