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U.S. Supreme Court's milestone ruling protects cellphone privacy
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that police officers usually need a warrant before they can search the cellphone of an arrested suspect, a major decision in favor of privacy rights at a time of increasing concern over government encroachment in digital communications.

In an opinion written by Chief Justice John Roberts, the court said there are some emergency situations in which a warrantless search would be permitted. But the unanimous 9-0 ruling goes against law enforcement agencies including the U.S. Department of Justice, which wanted more latitude to search without having to obtain a warrant.

"We cannot deny that our decision today will have an impact on the ability of law enforcement to combat crime," Roberts wrote, adding that the right to privacy "comes at a cost."

Roberts acknowledged the unique nature of cellphones in contemporary life, noting that "the proverbial visitor from Mars might conclude they were an important feature of human anatomy."

"The fact that technology now allows an individual to carry such information in his hand does not make the information any less worthy of the protection for which the (country's) Founders fought. Our answer to the question of what police must do before searching a cellphone seized incident to an arrest is accordingly simple - get a warrant," Roberts wrote.

The ruling could have a major impact in some jurisdictions because law enforcement agencies have increasingly made cellphones searches a top priority when a suspect is arrested, said Bronson James, a criminal defense attorney in Portland, Oregon.

"Police wanted the data on the cellphones because it was so expansive," he said. "This stops that practice."

The implications may be limited by the fact that police can benefit from new technology: it is now possible to obtain a warrant more quickly using mobile devices to send the request.

The ruling could hamper law enforcement when there is a need to gather information from a cellphone immediately because of an ongoing criminal enterprise, said Robert Mintz, a former federal prosecutor. "There could be circumstances when news of an arrest can travel quickly and time could be of the essence," he said.

Justice Department spokeswoman Ellen Canale said the government would ensure federal law enforcement agents complied with the ruling.

The court was considering two separate cases pitting evolving expectations of privacy against the interests of the law enforcement community as the justices for the first time weighed the ubiquitous role of cellphones in modern life.

A Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll found 60.7 percent of people surveyed said police should not be allowed to search cellphones without a warrant.

Cellphones, initially used purely to make calls, now contain a wealth of personal information about the owner including photographs, video and social media content. A 2013 Pew Research Center report said 91 percent of adult Americans have a cellphone, more than a half of them smartphones that can connect to the Internet.

Concern about increasing government encroachment on personal privacy, especially relating to electronic communications, has surged in the past year after disclosures by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden about government surveillance.

Hanni Fakhoury, an attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation digital rights group, said the court's recognition of the impact of new technology on privacy "will have important implications for future legal challenges concerning the government’s use of technology," including NSA surveillance.

The defendants challenging their convictions, David Riley and Brima Wurie, said evidence found on their phones should not have been used at trial because the searches were conducted without court-issued warrants.

The circumstances in the two cases, one from Massachusetts and one from California, were different in terms of the scope of the search and the type of cellphone used. Wurie had a basic flip phone while Riley had a more sophisticated smartphone.

The court decided the two cases together, finding that both searches were unconstitutional.

The legal question was whether the U.S. Constitution's Fourth Amendment, barring unreasonable searches, requires police following an arrest to get court approval before a cellphone can be searched.

Riley was convicted of three charges relating to a 2009 San Diego incident in which shots were fired at an occupied vehicle. Prosecutors linked him to the crime in part based on a photograph police found on his smartphone.

Police searched Wurie's cellphone without a warrant after his 2007 arrest for suspected drug dealing. Officers used the device, which was not a smartphone, to find a phone number that took them to Wurie's house in Boston, where drugs, a gun and cash were found.

The cases are Riley v. California, 13-132 and U.S. v. Wurie, 13-212.





Gene363 Offline
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Thanks for posting Robert, I'm all about law and order, but this is a good thing.
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Gene363 wrote:

Thanks for posting Robert, I'm all about law and order, but this is a good thing.

this is a very good thing
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Yeah it's a good decision but a sad commentary that an amendment as clear as the 4th leads to a case getting chased up to SCOTUS.

Kinda like SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED but more accessible to the pallet of liberal facists.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah it's a good decision but a sad commentary that an amendment as clear as the 4th leads to a case getting chased up to SCOTUS.

Kinda like SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED but more accessible to the pallet of liberal facists.

how so?
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It seemed clear to me before that the police have no right to search your things (including your phone) without a warrant, or your consent.

I'm kind of surprised that every judge, in every court, would not rule exactly the same as the 9 justices.

The police officers that have violated the peoples 4th amendment rights, by illegally searching their cell phone data, need to be prosecuted for their crimes, retroactively. Can this happen?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah it's a good decision but a sad commentary that an amendment as clear as the 4th leads to a case getting chased up to SCOTUS.


What is so clear about the 4th Amendment? Where does it say cell phones are protected?
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stogiemonger wrote:


The police officers that have violated the peoples 4th amendment rights, by illegally searching their cell phone data, need to be prosecuted for their crimes, retroactively. Can this happen?


They did not commit a crime. The penalty for an "unreasonable" search is that any evidence obtained cannot be used against the person whose rights were violated.
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So technically they can search your things without impunity, so long as they don't use it against you?

I don't trust that. What about civilly? Is there any recourse for those whose rights are violated by the authorities?
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Emergency situations where a warantless search would be permitted seems to vague.
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stogiemonger wrote:
So technically they can search your things without impunity, so long as they don't use it against you?

I don't trust that. What about civilly? Is there any recourse for those whose rights are violated by the authorities?


Civil recourse is an option, but you have to be able to prove actual damages.
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gryphonms wrote:
Emergency situations where a warantless search would be permitted seems to vague.


Case law has defined the exceptions such as exigent circumstances, inevitable discovery and to prevent destruction of evidence, search incident to arrest, among others.
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Just to make a point, if you think this would never apply to you, think again. Police are stopping all sort of people for who knows what reasons.

For example: The first weekend of June my wife and I were stopped by two sheriffs on our way to the Atlanta Blade Show, the largest knife show on the east coast. We drive to the show, speed all day looking and buying, have dinner, stay overnight and head home in the mourning. I was driving my wife's 1995 Camero because our truck was in the shop for repairs. We had our GPS on and it has a great speed indicator.

I was on I-20 going about 4 or 5 miles over the speed limit, other vehicles were traveling the same speed or much faster. As we approached an overpass I saw an law enforcement SUV in the shade of the overpass parked perpendicular to the flow of traffic. Looking in the rear view mirror I saw them pull out. I wasn't concerned about speed so I stayed with my speed and with traffic. As they came up I moved over thinking they wanted to pass. They stayed behind us and then turned on their blue lights.

I pulled over at a safe place, opened the window, kept my hands on the wheel and waited for them to come to the window. My wife meanwhile is asking what I had done, as she always keeps an eye on my speed; I have no idea. The two deputies confer before one goes to my wife's side and the other asked me to get out and step to the back of the car.

The deputy asked me where we were going and if we were staying overnight. Next asked about the venue several different ways as if to see if I was keeping my story straight(?). He asked if I was a knife seller, no just a collector. He wanted to know how many knives I had. I replied, "Are you going to tell my wife? Probably more than 200." The he says I noticed you changed lanes, were you afraid I was going to ticket you? "No, not really." The long list of questions was on my mind so I didn't tell him I thought I was getting out of your way. After all the questions he took my drivers license and asked to get back in the car.

When I get back in he car and my wife asks why we're not leaving. I tell her he has my drivers license. She replied, "OK then." She said the other deputy asked her if she was married. Then asked if she is married to me, where we were going and were we going to stay overnight. We are scratching our heads as the deputy returns my license, thanks us for our cooperation and give us the watch your speed and be careful sendoff.

We are both in our sixties. We dress and look like the grandparents we happen to be. They never asked to look in the car and our one bag was under the privacy cover in the truck. To this day I haven't a clue why they chose to stop us. While I resented all their questions and knew didn't have to answer, I also had a pretty good idea I'd end up with at least a ticket or worse if I didn't answer.

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Those Bassards.>!! Mad
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Is this going to stop the NSA? The FBI? The CIA? Any Homeland Security cottage industry division that pops up like dandelions all over the side of highways?








NO!










This is just to make the SCOTUS appear like there's some type of "fairness" and when...yes WHEN the riots start...they don't want them happening at their workplace or homes.



It's not like we're going to go full Nazi Party and have people asking for papers...hell, we just let people stream across the borders anyways....
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I don't have a torch & pitchfork yet...... d'oh!
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Gene363 wrote:

Just to make a point, if you think this would never apply to you, think again. Police are stopping all sort of people for who knows what reasons.

For example: The first weekend of June my wife and I were stopped by two sheriffs on our way to the Atlanta Blade Show, the largest knife show on the east coast. We drive to the show, speed all day looking and buying, have dinner, stay overnight and head home in the mourning. I was driving my wife's 1995 Camero because our truck was in the shop for repairs. We had our GPS on and it has a great speed indicator.

I was on I-20 going about 4 or 5 miles over the speed limit, other vehicles were traveling the same speed or much faster. As we approached an overpass I saw an law enforcement SUV in the shade of the overpass parked perpendicular to the flow of traffic. Looking in the rear view mirror I saw them pull out. I wasn't concerned about speed so I stayed with my speed and with traffic. As they came up I moved over thinking they wanted to pass. They stayed behind us and then turned on their blue lights.

I pulled over at a safe place, opened the window, kept my hands on the wheel and waited for them to come to the window. My wife meanwhile is asking what I had done, as she always keeps an eye on my speed; I have no idea. The two deputies confer before one goes to my wife's side and the other asked me to get out and step to the back of the car.

The deputy asked me where we were going and if we were staying overnight. Next asked about the venue several different ways as if to see if I was keeping my story straight(?). He asked if I was a knife seller, no just a collector. He wanted to know how many knives I had. I replied, "Are you going to tell my wife? Probably more than 200." The he says I noticed you changed lanes, were you afraid I was going to ticket you? "No, not really." The long list of questions was on my mind so I didn't tell him I thought I was getting out of your way. After all the questions he took my drivers license and asked to get back in the car.

When I get back in he car and my wife asks why we're not leaving. I tell her he has my drivers license. She replied, "OK then." She said the other deputy asked her if she was married. Then asked if she is married to me, where we were going and were we going to stay overnight. We are scratching our heads as the deputy returns my license, thanks us for our cooperation and give us the watch your speed and be careful sendoff.

We are both in our sixties. We dress and look like the grandparents we happen to be. They never asked to look in the car and our one bag was under the privacy cover in the truck. To this day I haven't a clue why they chose to stop us. While I resented all their questions and knew didn't have to answer, I also had a pretty good idea I'd end up with at least a ticket or worse if I didn't answer.




Maybe it was the spinners, the baseline and your NWA tank top
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Gene, when all the questions started coming....you should have pulled a " Lerner " and just lead with the 5 th



rfenst wrote:
What is so clear about the 4th Amendment? Where does it say cell phones are protected?




Are cell phones NOT considered " private or personal property thus giving them protection under The Law?
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Actually the fourth amendment only protects an individual from searches that violate a reasonable expectation of privacy. For this to be valid you must expect privacy and society would think that expectation is valid.
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TMCTLT wrote:
Gene, when all the questions started coming....you should have pulled a " Lerner " and just lead with the 5 th







Are cell phones NOT considered " private or personal property thus giving them protection under The Law?


The 4th is vague due to the use of the word "unreasonabble". What does unreasonable mean? That has to be decided by the courts. Now, and not until now, have cell phones been guaranteed protected.
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I'm a little confused....should this have even been a question? Doesn't the 4th Amendment already make it a requirement for a warrant to be obtained to lawfully search and seize any evidence while investigating a crime?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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I believe "and effects" is the key here. Cell phone = personal effects.
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rfenst wrote:
The 4th is vague due to the use of the word "unreasonabble". What does unreasonable mean? That has to be decided by the courts. Now, and not until now, have cell phones been guaranteed protected.



Seems pretty straight forward to those who do not try to read MORE into it, if NOT given explicit consent then it's unreasonable.
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Maybe this will help. It's better than reading what other news outlets are telling you it means.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-132_8l9c.pdf
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I heard cops were searching phones for selfie boob pics... Mellow
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A snippet from each case

Penal Code Ann. §246 (2008) with §186.22(b)(4)(B) (2014).Prior to trial, Riley moved to suppress all evidence that the police had obtained from his cell phone. He contended that the searches of his phone violated the FourthAmendment, because they had been performed without awarrant and were not otherwise justified by exigent circumstances. The trial court rejected that argument. App. in No. 13–132, at 24, 26. At Riley’s trial, police officerstestified about the photographs and videos found on the phone, and some of the photographs were admitted into evidence. Riley was convicted on all three counts and received an enhanced sentence of 15 years to life in prison.
The California Court of Appeal affirmed. No. D059840 (Cal. App., Feb. 8, 2013), App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 13–132, pp. 1a–23a. The court relied on the California Supreme Court’s decision in People v. Diaz, 51 Cal. 4th 84, 244 P. 3d 501 (2011), which held that the Fourth Amendment permits a warrantless search of cell phone dataincident to an arrest, so long as the cell phone was immediately associated with the arrestee’s person. See id., at 93, 244 P. 3d, at 505–506.
The California Supreme Court denied Riley’s petition for review, App. to Pet. for Cert. in No. 13–132, at 24a, and we granted certiorari, 571 U. S. ___ (2014).


2nd case

A divided panel of the First Circuit reversed the denial of Wurie’s motion to suppress and vacated Wurie’s convictions for possession with intent to distribute and possession of a firearm as a felon. 728 F. 3d 1 (2013). The court held that cell phones are distinct from other physical possessions that may be searched incident to arrest without a warrant, because of the amount of personal data cell phones contain and the negligible threat they pose to lawenforcement interests. See id., at 8–11.
We granted certiorari. 571 U. S. ___ (2014).



This set the stage
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TMCTLT wrote:
Seems pretty straight forward to those who do not try to read MORE into it, if NOT given explicit consent then it's unreasonable.

Hell in the end it ALL a joke as the revolving door continues to swing open for career offenders anyway.
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I didn't realize these were gang related cases.
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Think
are Obamaphones an exception to the rule..?? Think
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe it was the spinners, the baseline and your NWA tank top


The music was off, can't really hear it above the Z28 exhaust (it's wife's car), not even a bumper sticker. Wearing an ironed button down shirt, no logos, just a FOG WTF face.


TMCTLT wrote:
Gene, when all the questions started coming....you should have pulled a " Lerner " and just lead with the 5 th...


But I didn't have anything to deny, I even pay every cent of my taxes.
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[quote=Gene363]
The music was off, can't really hear it above the Z28 exhaust (it's wife's car), not even a bumper sticker. Wearing an ironed button down shirt, no logos, just a FOG WTF face.


LOL

Was it a metallica button down and how long was your mullet?
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I believe "and effects" is the key here. Cell phone = personal effects.


No. The search must be "reasonable".
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rfenst wrote:
No. The search must be "reasonable".



Come on now. You know that word is not allowed on this forum.
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I'm pretty sure they gave some examples of 'reasonable' in the ruling... somethin about kidnapping and stuff... I don't remember already... d'oh!
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teedubbya wrote:
[quote=Gene363]
The music was off, can't really hear it above the Z28 exhaust (it's wife's car), not even a bumper sticker. Wearing an ironed button down shirt, no logos, just a FOG WTF face.


LOL

Was it a metallica button down and how long was your mullet?


Not even a, 'sad old guy tiny little ponytail' what hair is left is cut short. Plain shirt, I refuse to advertise for anyone unless I'm getting paid.

Now that you mention it, maybe it was the lack of mullet that made them suspicious.
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rfenst wrote:
No. The search must be "reasonable".


I know it must be reasonable. Otherwise I wouldn't have copy and pasted the 4th Amendment for all to see.
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Gene363 wrote:

The music was off, can't really hear it above the Z28 exhaust (it's wife's car), not even a bumper sticker. Wearing an ironed button down shirt, no logos, just a FOG WTF face.




But I didn't have anything to deny, I even pay every cent of my taxes.



If I read your post correctly the officer never stated WHY he'd pulled you over....it was / is none of his business where your going or anything else he was probing for, that's all I was saying. If you were speeding fine then he's got a charge or reason to pull you over, but to simply start in with " where are you going and where are staying " is Bull**** plain n simple.
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It may be bull**** but at what cost to be right? Pull the I don't need to talk to you card and see what it gets you. It's not worth it.
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TMCTLT wrote:
If I read your post correctly the officer never stated WHY he'd pulled you over....it was / is none of his business where your going or anything else he was probing for, that's all I was saying. If you were speeding fine then he's got a charge or reason to pull you over, but to simply start in with " where are you going and where are staying " is Bull**** plain n simple.



It's a called highway interdiction. More and more departments are training officers to use the premise of a "routine" stop to probe for felony violations.

Had you two not given consistent answers, more than likely a K9 would have been called in to sniff the air around your vehicle.

Lots of ways to handle such a stop depending on one's motivation. Since my goal would be to get back on the road as quickly as possible, I would have handled the stop the same as Gene and Mrs. Gene handled it.
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true... true....

there was a time tho... now it's just easier to play the game I guess... Mellow
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Mellow
DrafterX wrote:
true... true....

I'd like to see them try that with me though.... I'd kick that K9 to the moon alice to the frickin moon... Mellow
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Mad
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Abrignac wrote:
It's a called highway interdiction. More and more departments are training officers to use the premise of a "routine" stop to probe for felony violations.

Had you two not given consistent answers, more than likely a K9 would have been called in to sniff the air around your vehicle.

Lots of ways to handle such a stop depending on one's motivation. Since my goal would be to get back on the road as quickly as possible, I would have handled the stop the same as Gene and Mrs. Gene handled it.



No Anthony it's called Bull****...remember innocent until proven guilty right?? Welcome to The Police State!!! When only a few comparatively speaking cause the rest of us to be treated this way.....something is VERY WRONG
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Abrignac wrote:
It's a called highway interdiction. More and more departments are training officers to use the premise of a "routine" stop to probe for felony violations.

Had you two not given consistent answers, more than likely a K9 would have been called in to sniff the air around your vehicle.

Lots of ways to handle such a stop depending on one's motivation. Since my goal would be to get back on the road as quickly as possible, I would have handled the stop the same as Gene and Mrs. Gene handled it.



No Anthony it's called Bull****...remember innocent until proven guilty right?? Welcome to The Police State!!! When only a few comparatively speaking cause the rest of us to be treated this way.....something is VERY WRONG

Moreover your telling me that they need NO reason other than " routine " in which to pull you over? What does routine mean in this case?
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TMCTLT wrote:
No Anthony it's called Bull****...remember innocent until proven guilty right?? Welcome to The Police State!!! When only a few comparatively speaking cause the rest of us to be treated this way.....something is VERY WRONG

Moreover your telling me that they need NO reason other than " routine " in which to pull you over? What does routine mean in this case?



I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. To answer your question, a LEO must have some reasonable suspicion to impede your progress, i.e. stop you. To arrest you that LEO needs probable cause. If you are stopped, it is well within your rights to ask the LEO if he intends to arrest you. If he answers that he would like to ask you some questions, you are well within your rights to tell him to **** off. But, doing so will probably lead to an unpleasant experience.
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Abrignac wrote:
I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. To answer your question, a LEO must have some reasonable suspicion to impede your progress, i.e. stop you. To arrest you that LEO needs probable cause. If you are stopped, it is well within your rights to ask the LEO if he intends to arrest you. If he answers that he would like to ask you some questions, you are well within your rights to tell him to **** off. But, doing so will probably lead to an unpleasant experience.



Smiling over here in agreement bros.
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That's the shame of it. It shouldn't be but it is and there isn't much an individual can do.
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TMCTLT wrote:
Smiling over here in agreement bros.


And so am I, Abrignac and TMCTLT. I figured they were looking for something/someone, and I wanted to say a big FO, but I knew it was not a good idea. I guess I might understand just a tiny bit, why some folks want to fight the police.

I had flashbacks of the teenage years when the Covina, California police would pull over myself and my best friend Rodney. They always said we matched the description of some burglars they were looking for. Right, a 6'blonde headed guy with a 5'8" Japanese guy. Bull sh|t, we knew it was because we were teenagers and that was bad enough, but they couldn't even make up a good story. FWIW, We weren't up to no good, those times, and used to drive all over the same place delivering TV and appliances after school.
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teedubbya wrote:
That's the shame of it. It shouldn't be but it is and there isn't much an individual can do.


True that.
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Maybe it was your Gene Simmons makeup?
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