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ricka, I find it odd that a man who lives off of SS and Medicare would post about minimum wage. Have you received more than you paid in yet? I hope you're saying that you stand behind it.

The greatest country in the worlds history prolly should have a minimum wage. How much it is, of course, is debatable.

Do we really want collusion, and wage fixing by companies?

Yup

I saw a headline the other day stating all jobs created in the last decade went to immigrant workers.

Working at the airport, I can attest to the HUNDRED's of Africans that have been hired lately, plus, All the Indian workers that are flooding into Our Country.

We're being invading across Mexico, and through New York JFK . . .

in sales and self employment we have no wage at all and do ok , personally i wished everyone made 25 bucks an hour but you have to earn it not have it automatically given to you..

As a practical matter minimum wage needs to be increased to allow people that are willing to work to not have to also collect welfare to survive. I have no desire to subsidize any companies labor force with taxes paid. Why should anyone subsidize a company? Also I do not think the effect of raising minum wage would have as devastating of an effect on prices as many do. I did the math for a few scenarios, posted 1 scenario in a previous OP. If my math was accurate the overall increase would be around 6%. I can live with that.

Shhhh.....he hates the middle class

So you would rather keep minimum wage where it is at and also pay those people welfare? Because that is the reality of what is happening. I agree with the whole discussion of supply and demand. But at this point welfare benifts have made supply and demand for minimum wage irrelevant. Also many people now view minimum wage jobs as careers since we have lost our manufacturing base.

Quit being dense. Many companies even have programs to help their employees get welfare benefits. If you think this is preferable fine. To say this is not happening is unrealistic. Stogiefan makes a well thought out point. ZRX makes a funny joke. You make a blanket statement that is innacurate. If you think I am trying to convince everyone that all minimum wage earners collect welfare then you need to improve your reading comprehension.

I'm not even going to bother debating with you, it is not productive.

You are going to end up paying some form of welfare anyway for all the people that have been priced out of work. At least the ones working on welfare contribute something to the economy and can actually develop their work skills so they are not stuck earning minimum wage for the rest of their life. I agree that more people are forced into minimum wage jobs to start because of the loss of the manufacturing base. But solving one economic imbalance by creating another one is not a viable solution.

Even if our manufacturing base is back, that doesn't defend a minimum wage.

Regardless of how much high value work we have going on, there's always some work which doesn't have the same value being performed by individuals with less training, or less skill, or simply less capability. To force an employer to pay them a value above what they are contributing is essentially requiring the company provide the welfare as opposed to the government.

You're just shifting the cost from the gov't to the direct employer. It's NO different than specifically taxing the employer and putting the money in a welfare program.

Bringing back our manufacturing base would shift many people out or minimum wage. My point was not that minimum wage should corelate to production value, even though it should. My point was we seem to have 2 choices presently. I find it less onerous to inflate minimum wage than to subsidize minimum wage. Both options pay more than these jobs are worth from a supply and demand perspective. So I may not have stated my reasoning clearly enough. My viewpoint may come from a jaded perspective but I want to see less welfare, even if the end result is the same.

Ideally there would be welfare reform that caused welfare to be available to those truly in need and no one else. Historically people worked 2 jobs to make ends meet. Today the government pays the 2nd job portion.

Any successful person that I know works 60 hours a week. That is how we get ahead.

I ignored nothing, I stated my opinion. I am not talking about the middle class. I am talking about the poor and the wealthy. If you are poor you need to work more. You are not worth $15 an hour when you are flipping burgers nor should you receive welfare to do so. Many wealthy people are wealthy due to hard work. You usually do not make over 100K annually working a 40 hour week.

Wasn't discounting that as an avenue.

Was discounting that as THE defined means and as a measure of real wealth. You only live so many hours, and countless hours off the clock do not add wealth.

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t least 25 bucks , Elitist! lol

what happened to Victor's nose..??

It got flooded because he holds it so high.

Just keep working you prole!

Both occur. :)

Bottom line though, I stay up until the work is done.

^ here I can agree SDeve.

SD, please abstain from logic, THIS IS CBID! As usual your POV is perceptive with merit.

I actually feel sorry for Rick. With his POV life would seem to be a sad place.

How many of you own a company and pay wages?

Let me tell you. Good help is difficult to find. When you do find a good, honest and reliable employee you quickly pay them more than minimum.
I'm not talking about high skills. Just dependable.

With the feds forcing the issue, even the lazy slobs will get a pay raise.

This is union mentality gone viral.
Person A at Company C doesn't "deserve" the same pay as somebody else at a different job.

In my field it has been that way for 25 years.