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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:06 PM EST
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Or... um.. Baghdad!!!!
or something like that. Never forget!!!!!

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/29/1310496/-Blackwater-Quashed-Investigation-by-Threatening-to-Kill-State-Department-Employees?detail=facebook
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:08 PM EST
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You had me at dailykos......


But keep calling others kooks it's cute.
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:13 PM EST
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inforwars is better.
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:14 PM EST
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Did I say that?

Implied is strong here today.....
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:16 PM EST
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I wasn't refering to you. I was actually agreeing with you on KOS.
teedubbya Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:16 PM EST
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so yes implied does run strong in here today LOL......
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:19 PM EST
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Touche.
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:21 PM EST
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It amused me.

Mainly because I hadn't seen it screamed about here.
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:23 PM EST
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Z I'm just giving you crap. I didn't associate you with info wars but do put the two sources in the same bucket.

You are a deek though if that makes you feel
Better lol.
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:47 PM EST
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Where I would disagree with you on those two is one of those new sources has a belief system the other one has a belief system that enforces a political party and tries to shift it further to the left.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:49 PM EST
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When a news source is less likely to support a particular party it does alter the filter through which I view them. I personally think it's weak to be afraid of listening or reading material you disagree with.
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:50 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Where I would disagree with you on those two is one of those new sources has a belief system the other one has a belief system that enforces a political party and tries to shift it further to the left.


Yeah.

Because the republican party hasn't been shifting further to the loony right at all these past few years.

Nope.

Not a bit.


Ahhhh -CANTOR! - choo!!!!!

Come on Z. this "our bad crap is better than their bad crap!" crap is beneath you.
ZRX1200 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 3:53 PM EST
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Oh here comes the name calling again .........


Which source is more likely to publish talking points deary? What is the medias job? Which one harms society?
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 4:01 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh here comes the name calling again .........


Which source is more likely to publish talking points deary? What is the medias job? Which one harms society?



I haven't called you any names. I generally don't.

Both sources publish talking points. Hell, you've used Infowars as a source:
http://www.cigarbid.com/...914/Presidentin-Be-Hard

The media's job is only to provide accurate information.
Society isn't harmed unless the media provides inaccurate information.

You want to argue which harms society, then you have to determine which is more often wrong.
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#15 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 4:07 PM EST
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It's funny in a way. In this era of information you would think we would be better informed about an event, agenda, or anything else we are interested in. Yet there is so little unbiased reporting I usually feel less well informed. I read many articles and then try to surmise the truth.
ZRX1200 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 4:12 PM EST
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By your statement you're implying people that consume news from Infowars or people from the right are loons. In this thread I specifically was speaking to dailykos.

The media's job used to be one of a watchdog. Dailykos is a conservative watchdog that's all they watch. Then they complain when the left does not go left enough. Yes I have quoted from stories that info wars has done had you looked to see if that particular one was corroborated with an approved mainstream media source?
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 4:22 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
By your statement you're implying people that consume news from Infowars or people from the right are loons. In this thread I specifically was speaking to dailykos.

The media's job used to be one of a watchdog. Dailykos is a conservative watchdog that's all they watch. Then they complain when the left does not go left enough. Yes I have quoted from stories that info wars has done had you looked to see if that particular one was corroborated with an approved mainstream media source?


That's irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of dailykos stories are corroborated as well.
As for the republicans being loons... you'll notice my use of the words "further to" implying the far right is loony, not the "right" in total. You'll see many posts of mine lamenting the loss of a viable republican party.

As for watch-dogs... you're half right. When Daily Kos acts as a conservative watchdog, they're being a watchdog. Why do you then think they aren't being a watchdog when they complain about the left not being left enough? They're legitimately being a watchdog for their constituents by pointing out things the democrats have failed to do for them.

Same with infowars. When they complain about the democrats, they're being watchdogs. When they complain about republicans, they're being watchdogs for the far right by pointing out how the republicans have failed them.

As I said earlier, this is all fine. AS LONG AS IT IS ACCURATE INFORMATION.

Many of these sites are incorrect. Infowars and their constant benghazi crap, giving us information that's either factually inaccurate or contextually inaccurate (this is as important as factually) or just plain irrelevant.

Now, I am forced to read less Daily Kos crap, because I don't have people around me constantly posting it and screaming at the top of their capital letters about it... so I don't know what its track record is in comparison to infowars, but I bet someone out there has done a comparison.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 4:25 PM EST
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For the record, the DailyKos story is corroborated by multiple other news organizations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/us/before-shooting-in-iraq-warning-on-blackwater.html?_r=0
ZRX1200 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 5:03 PM EST
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The newspaper that promoted known plagiarist and storyteller?ok faur enough.
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 5:12 PM EST
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RollEyes
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#21 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 5:33 PM EST
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So the government hires contractors to provide security for its own assets so it can have an arms length from which to point fingers when something inevitably goes bad. Another outsourcing success story.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 5:57 PM EST
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Info wars in no way has any high ground over kos. You just agree with them more.

Both are trash. The enqirerer and tmz are more reputable.
ZRX1200 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 6:03 PM EST
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Didn't say they did. I stated clearly that their bias isn't to further a particular party AND move them further that direction. But read what you want at least you listen better than Victor. Yes I do agree wirh them more but that have broken stories that other news outlets wouldn't touch I thoroughly believe they have a niche purpose. That doesn't mean I think they are infallible.

FYI the Enquirer has also broken true major news stories the dinosaur media is afraid to touch.

You say trash *shrug* I say potatao.
victor809 Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 6:07 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Didn't say they did. I stated clearly that their bias isn't to further a particular party AND move them further that direction. But read what you want at least you listen better than Victor. Yes I do agree wirh them more but that have broken stories that other news outlets wouldn't touch I thoroughly believe they have a niche purpose. That doesn't mean I think they are infallible.

FYI the Enquirer has also broken true major news stories the dinosaur media is afraid to touch.

You say trash *shrug* I say potatao.


Z... I listen fine. You said you think one does more political damage than the other. This is because you seem to view one as a non-politically-oriented entity, and the other as "the evil liberal left". That is an incorrect view.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 6:19 PM EST
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No I said one was more politically aligned and did more damage to society. You clearly did not listen fine.
victor809 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 6:39 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No I said one was more politically aligned and did more damage to society. You clearly did not listen fine.


Yeah... big difference between 'one as a non-politically-oriented entity, and the other as "the evil liberal left"' and "more politically aligned" .... also "did more damage to society" and "does more political damage than the other"

You're kind of missing the bigger picture here.

You think they are different beasts.

You are wrong.
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 7:26 PM EST
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One is a banana the other a plantain. Kos has broken things as well. One just aligns better politically to you.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 7:27 PM EST
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Just because something is **** or not trustworthy doesn't mean it is always wrong. I think about that every time I start up the VW.
victor809 Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 7:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
One is a banana the other a plantain. Kos has broken things as well. One just aligns better politically to you.


SHHH... They're DIFFERENT!!!! One's clearly a tool of the democrats while the other is simply the truth with no ulterior motive at all.
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 8:08 PM EST
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He's saying they are biased but not aligned with the republicans. I get the hair he's trying to split I just don't go along with it.

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#31 Posted: Mon, Jun 30 2014, 8:29 PM EST
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He's trying to split a hair that isn't there. It's like trying to differentiate the far left nutjobs from the democrats.
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