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Obama wants a mere 3.8 BILLION $$
kombat96 Offline
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To house and process the illegals that are crossing the border from Mexico.

This could also include letting some illegals live with family members in the US. All I can do is smh and say I didn't vote for him.
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kombat96 wrote:
To house and process the illegals that are crossing the border from Mexico.

This could also include letting some illegals live with family members in the US. All I can do is smh and say I didn't vote for him.


Time to break out the DHS bullets!
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#3 Posted:
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Truth be told, I don't know what's worse. Him asking for it or and correct me if I'm wrong the senate giving it to him. Might be Congress, as u can tell I'm not to politically correct...lol


Vote wombat for president
victor809 Offline
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Why are you blaming Obama for this exactly?

What do you want him to do differently?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted:
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kombat96 wrote:
Truth be told, I don't know what's worse. Him asking for it or and correct me if I'm wrong the senate giving it to him. Might be Congress, as u can tell I'm not to politically correct...lol


Vote wombat for president


Well, I guess the Kenyan King's illegal relatives can bunk down at the White House then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L09qnRfZY-k


http://www.westernjournalism.com/barack-obama’s-big-illegal-alien-family/



Frying pan Frying pan Frying pan
DrMaddVibe Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Why are you blaming Obama for this exactly?

What do you want him to do differently?


Admit there's a problem...declare an emergency...

Deploy the Nation Guard for starters.


It's what he's SUPPOSED to do!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States
kombat96 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Why are you blaming Obama for this exactly?

What do you want him to do differently?


Blame for not doing anything. Help us the citizens and not illegals. I can't afford to help anymore ppl.
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Ohh and the nerve to ask the American public to financial support these ppl which will drive welfare and wic programs through the roof.

Why do these ppl want to come to the US so bad. Their country suck? Or the can come here and get get get and live free.
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#9 Posted:
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I blame the Russians... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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I think you're confused on the issues here Kombat.

The 3.8billion is to deal with the huge number of latin american children being brought across the border. Obama needs the money TO SHIP THEM BACK.

Our laws currently dictate that non-mexican minors who come across the border are taken into custody to get a court hearing. This law was a Bush era law, NOT obama's.

He can't simply send them back, that would be against our laws.

So, what do you want him to do differently?
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted:
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Think
well, we secretly sell guns to other countries... why not kids..?? Huh
kombat96 Offline
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No victor I'm not confused. Its for housing and processing. So they say to ship them back. And they can't just put tents up so the money is for livable conditions...which leads to a small community.


Do different, bus them and ship them to Mexico. Build a three story four foot thick wall with armed guards and signs saying stay out or petition to become legal citizens by US law. Or trespass and be shot.
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kombat96 wrote:
No victor I'm not confused. Its for housing and processing. So they say to ship them back. And they can't just put tents up so the money is for livable conditions...which leads to a small community.


Do different, bus them and ship them to Mexico. Build a three story four foot thick wall with armed guards and signs saying stay out or petition to become legal citizens by US law. Or trespass and be shot.


Why would we ship them to Mexico?
These aren't Mexican kids. They have no family in Mexico. They have no money to get through Mexico. These are minors, who someone has essentially left on our doorstep.

Our law (Bush, again) says we have to take care of them until we either 1- figure out if they can stay, or 2- figure out who to ship them to. To do otherwise would be against our law. Obama is actually trying to change that law, but until it is done, we have to follow the law.

Seriously... you want to just leave them on Mexico's doorstep?
It's the equivalent of if someone left a kid on your doorstep, just driving it down to the nearest crack-house and leaving it on their doorstep? I'm sure if obama started doing that we wouldn't hear the end of it from the conservatives.

All this takes money. You'd notice, if you bothered to look, that $433 million of the budget is to increase border enforcement. Hell, $1.1 Billion of it is just to ship the kids out of the US... that's actually doing what you want them to do.
Mr Roso Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Why would we ship them to Mexico?


Didn't they cross from there? Why didn't Mexico do anything about it? I'd say let them help as well.
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So as Victor seems do indicate, what would bush do, cause Obama as his platform of "change" is just walking the line.

Shippem out via amazon not cbid..lol
HockeyDad Offline
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I thought Obama repealed all Bush era laws?
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Now who is being disingenuous? LMAO!
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kombat96 wrote:
So as Victor seems do indicate, what would bush do, cause Obama as his platform of "change" is just walking the line.

Shippem out via amazon not cbid..lol


As I said, the law requires we house them and provide an advocate etc etc etc. It's part of an anti-child trafficking law passed (with bipartisan support) during the end of the bush era.

If you want a different law, go talk to your congressman about changing the child-trafficking law. Obama can only ask to have laws changed... he doesn't have the power to change them himself or write new ones. I believe he has asked congress to provide for some leeway. Do you expect them to respond quickly?

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We should adopt the children as full fledged US citizens.

Then shoot the parents.














DrafterX Offline
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I heard he's using Air Force 1 to bring in Guatemalan kids 3 times a day.... Mellow
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He doesn't have the power to change the laws? Didn't he do that already? Didn't his wife put a law in the books?

Stop hosting bush. This guys been in office long enough to do things. And he's made the US worse.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought Obama repealed all Bush era laws?


That's what we did here in Boston.

At gun point.



victor809 Offline
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kombat96 wrote:
He doesn't have the power to change the laws? Didn't he do that already? Didn't his wife put a law in the books?

Stop hosting bush. This guys been in office long enough to do things. And he's made the US worse.


????
You know how the US Gov't works, right? Laws are created by Congress... a Congressman has to submit a bill. Neither the president nor the justice department can change any law on the books nor create a new one. No non-congress citizen (which is what Michelle Obama is) can create a law either. Whoever told you Michelle Obama put a law in the books is lying and you're believing it.
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kombat96 wrote:


Stop hosting bush. This guys been in office long enough to do things. And he's made the US worse.


I dislike Bush. But I don't blame him for this either. This situation is a simple result of unintended consequences. Bush couldn't have predicted this, and Obama can't change the law. If you want to blame someone, blame congress for not acting immediately to close the loophole.
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kinda like the Obama phone thing huh.... Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
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I don't buy into the line that a law is a "Bush law" or a "Clinton law" etc. If you come into office and do not actively attempt to change a law from a previous administration, you own it. All laws are now Obama laws including the Patriot Act.

Realistically there are laws on the books that date back to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln. We just call those laws.
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HockeyDad wrote:
I don't buy into the line that a law is a "Bush law" or a "Clinton law" etc. If you come into office and do not actively attempt to change a law from a previous administration, you own it. All laws are now Obama laws including the Patriot Act.

Realistically there are laws on the books that date back to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln. We just call those laws.


I believe I said "bush era" to define it as the current president in power when the law is created.

While a president does not have the power to initiate a law, initiate a change to a law, or initiate a repeal of a law, he DOES have the power to veto a law being created during his presidency. For that reason, there is a value to associating the president in power when a law is signed into being.
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kombat96 wrote:
Truth be told, I don't know what's worse. Him asking for it or and correct me if I'm wrong the senate giving it to him. Might be Congress, as u can tell I'm not to politically correct...lol


Vote wombat for president



My dear friend. Please stick to box passes and leave the politics alone.
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This entire episode was a planned attack on US in several ways. They're letting in disease and crime and bussing it around to city after city that has no way to support any of it. No medical checks. No discussion. No documentation. No oversight. Not a single member of congress allowed to visit. No pictures. And if anyone reports any of it, they are threatened with jail. What country is this again? WHO LET THE BUSSES IN TO BEGIN WITH?

They planned this to take place at a point where they could no longer take the heat from the plethora of scandals, each with enough merit to place the Boy King in jail along with most of his staff. And topping it off by asking for 4 TIMES the first "economic stimulus".

Hey, lets sit back, do nothing, and see how it all plays out.
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victor809 wrote:
????
You know how the US Gov't works, right? Laws are created by Congress... a Congressman has to submit a bill. Neither the president nor the justice department can change any law on the books nor create a new one. No non-congress citizen (which is what Michelle Obama is) can create a law either. Whoever told you Michelle Obama put a law in the books is lying and you're believing it.



Victor, you are spot on with the process, but, how has Obama gotten away with changing obamacare at will? Isnt it a law?
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mikey1597 wrote:
Victor, you are spot on with the process, but, how has Obama gotten away with changing obamacare at will? Isnt it a law?


Short answer is that he hasn't changed the law at all. I'm not sure which changes you're referencing, but without congress rewriting/passing (which has happened a number of times) all he can do is selectively not enforce certain things. For instance, if he wants to delay when the requirements start, he simply announces that it won't be enforced until X date. The law, as written, cannot be changed by him once it's signed off.
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Executive Order FTW beetches!

Frying pan
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dkeage wrote:
Executive Order FTW beetches!

Frying pan

just scrolled through the executive orders issued from feb 2012 till now and don't see any relating to either south american children or the ACA (obamacare)... so I don't think those can be blamed for either problem.
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victor809 wrote:
Short answer is that he hasn't changed the law at all. I'm not sure which changes you're referencing, but without congress rewriting/passing (which has happened a number of times) all he can do is selectively not enforce certain things. For instance, if he wants to delay when the requirements start, he simply announces that it won't be enforced until X date. The law, as written, cannot be changed by him once it's signed off.



So he can choose which laws to enforce and which ones not to?
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mikey1597 wrote:
So he can choose which laws to enforce and which ones not to?


I don't understand exactly how it works. But my understanding is that the executive branch is tasked with enforcing the law (obviously not the president himself, but various committees he appoints). Think of it as similar to the state police, tasked to enforce state laws. There may be a bunch of laws on the book about not being allowed to get blowjobs from your wife (random blue laws exist in a lot of states) but no one is going to enforce the law.

Hell, it's way too complicated for me to understand exactly what is being done and what method is being used.

All I really know is he isn't writing or rewriting laws, and I don't see anything in the executive orders about it.
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Thanks for the info. I still think he's a pompous commie ass but that's just my opinion.
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Abrignac wrote:
My dear friend. Please stick to box passes and leave the politics alone.



Anthony, David may not be very well versed in politics but he knows when he's trying to be TAKEN. Giving this turd another 3.8 to deal with " someone else's problem " is just wrong and he recognized @ least that much.
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mikey1597 wrote:
Thanks for the info. I still think he's a pompous commie ass but that's just my opinion.


Hey Mikey... found this and thought it might be of interest in this discussion:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/10/3459057/house-republicans-will-sue-obama-because-hes-not-implementing-obamacare-fast-enough/

What I'm getting from it is that Obama is using the Treasury Power to grant relief by delaying the application of laws... (section 7805(ca) of the Internal Revenue Code)... I guess this makes some sense, especially since the Obamacare act is built into the tax code a bit.

The rest of the article makes no sense (don't know why boehner wants to speed up the implementation of obamacare, unless it's to try to rush a catastrophe... seems political) but I figured that may be of interest to you.
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TMCTLT wrote:
Anthony, David may not be very well versed in politics but he knows when he's trying to be TAKEN. Giving this turd another 3.8 to deal with " someone else's problem " is just wrong and he recognized @ least that much.



So true Paul. I'm not "well versed or claim to know politics " but I do listen and my picket book yells every week .
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victor809 wrote:
Hey Mikey... found this and thought it might be of interest in this discussion:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/10/3459057/house-republicans-will-sue-obama-because-hes-not-implementing-obamacare-fast-enough/

What I'm getting from it is that Obama is using the Treasury Power to grant relief by delaying the application of laws... (section 7805(ca) of the Internal Revenue Code)... I guess this makes some sense, especially since the Obamacare act is built into the tax code a bit.

The rest of the article makes no sense (don't know why boehner wants to speed up the implementation of obamacare, unless it's to try to rush a catastrophe... seems political) but I figured that may be of interest to you.










Yes it is. I have my own opinions but like to support them with facts. call me strange
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TMCTLT wrote:
Anthony, David may not be very well versed in politics but he knows when he's trying to be TAKEN. Giving this turd another 3.8 to deal with " someone else's problem " is just wrong and he recognized @ least that much.



True, true.
Abrignac Offline
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kombat96 wrote:
So true Paul. I'm not "well versed or claim to know politics " but I do listen and my picket book yells every week .



What's a picket book?

d'oh!

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Abrignac wrote:
What's a picket book?

d'oh!




sshhhhhh, don't make fun of the dink
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F u. I'm sensitive. Obama phone, ask the guys. They know
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