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Emails show ex-IRS official Lerner using derogatory terms for Republicans
Published July 30, 2014

House Republicans have dug up emails from Lois Lerner in which the former IRS official refers to some in the Republican Party as “---holes” and "crazies" – an exchange they say shows her “animus” toward conservatives.

The November 2012 emails were released Wednesday by House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., as part of his renewed call for the Justice Department to appoint a special counsel to investigate. Lerner is the ex-IRS official who led the unit accused of targeting conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status for extra scrutiny.

In the email exchange, Lerner appears to be chatting with another unidentified individual about a vacation in Great Britain. She describes how she overheard “some ladies” talking about how America is “going down the tubes.”

The person she tells this to responds that “you should hear the whacko wing of the GOP. The US is through; too many foreigners sucking the teat; time to hunker down, buy ammo and food, and prepare for the end. The right wing radio shows are scary to listen to.”

Lerner responds: “Great. Maybe we are through if there are that many ---holes.”

After another email to her about how “rabid” the radio show callers are, Lerner responds: “So we don't need to worry about alien teRrorists. (sic) It's our own crazies that will take us down.”

The emails are being used by Camp to make the case that Lerner had a bias against conservatives – something congressional Republicans have long suggested as they push for the Justice Department to get more involved in reviewing the IRS scandal, and Lerner herself.

“In light of this new information, I hope DOJ will aggressively pursue this case and finally appoint a special counsel, so the full truth can be revealed and justice is served,” Camp said in a statement.

Camp and other GOP committee leaders have been after the IRS lately over the agency’s admission that it lost a trove of Lerner emails due to an apparent computer crash.

Incidentally, a separate email chain from February 2012 released by Camp details another problem with her home computer. Camp claims the emails show Lerner may have kept work information on that home computer, raising concerns that taxpayer information may have been compromised. It’s not clear from the email exchange, however, whether that is the case.

In the November chain, Lerner also makes an off-color comment about class.

She describes visiting an “Edwardian English village” full of large houses -- “which have been ruined by letting the hoi paloi live there!” (Hoi polloi is a term for common people.)

“These people have ruined everything with their equality push!” she writes.

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Gene363 Offline
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No argument here as long as the democrats and the voters that elect politicians from both parties are called the same names.
rfenst Offline
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lesson to "learn-er": never use the internet for anything you wouldn't mind anyone else in the world to see.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I wonder how juicy the deleted emails were.
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
lesson to "learn-er": never use the internet for anything you wouldn't mind anyone else in the world to see.


True!

When I was working we always had student interns and new hires to mentor and train. I always told them, "Never to send nasty emails." Then I asked them if they knew what they were called, my reply was "evidence."
frankj1 Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I wonder how juicy the deleted emails were.

nothing is ever deleted...scary no matter who is in charge.
gryphonms Offline
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Rfenst, I have not stayed up to date on email law. Is there any expectation of privacy legally?
rfenst Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
Rfenst, I have not stayed up to date on email law. Is there any expectation of privacy legally?


Don't know. Probably.
Abrignac Offline
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gryphonms wrote:
Rfenst, I have not stayed up to date on email law. Is there any expectation of privacy legally?



Recently, the SCOTUS ruled on a case with implications regarding cell phones in criminal cases. Since smart phones have the ability to send, receive and read email that ruling may have some significance. In it they ruled that a warrant is required to access a cell phone. That does not stop an officer from placing a cell phone, or for that matter any electronic communication device, into evidence which allows for a prosecutor to make an argument that data on the phone is evidence of criminal behavior and hope to convince the judge to sign a warrant so those electronic transmissions can be accessed.

But, civil cases are much different. I think the more relevant question regards use of devices to send an email. Should one use their employer's equipment to send an email, I'm thinking it is fair game. On the other hand, the recipient has a copy of the email which opens a whole new can of worms.

In a nutshell, email is like a written record. If you would not want the text of your email to find it's way in the public domain, you may want to reconsider hitting the send button.
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