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Fraud at the CDC uncovered, 340% risk of autism hidden from public
By eplettner | Posted August 24, 2014 | Seminole, Florida 174K
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CNN PRODUCER NOTE CNN iReport is the network’s user-generated news community. This story, which is about a study from Dr. Brian Hooker about the alleged link between vaccines and autism, was initially pulled for further review after it was flagged by the community. CNN has reached out to the CDC for comment and is working to confirm the claims in this iReport.

UPDATE, August 28: “Translational Neurodegeneration,” which published an article about Hooker’s findings earlier this month, has removed the article. Read more about this story on CNN.com.
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8/27/2014 17:10 EST - CDC Whistleblower William Thomas has released a formal statement confirming the original study found a link between MMR and Autism, especially in African American and that the CDC hid the results.

A top researcher at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Dr William Thompson, admits he played a key role in helping uncover data manipulation by the CDC. This fraud obscured a higher incidence of autism in African-American boys due to the MMR vaccine. The whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson, came forward after a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for original data on an autism study was filed and these highly sensitive documents were received with the assistance of U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The CDC documents and discussions with the whistleblower reveal widespread manipulation of scientific data and top-down pressure on CDC scientists to suppress a causal link between the MMR vaccine and later autism diagnosis, particularly in a subset of African-American males who received their immunization “on-time” in accordance with the recommended CDC schedule.

The received documents from the CDC show that in 2003 a 340% risk of autism in African American boys related to the MMR vaccine was discovered and then hidden due to pressure from senior officials. The CDC researchers then recalculated their results by removing a population to get the results that were desired. Even with the recalculated data from the original report a significant risk of autism due to the MMR is found and can be seen in the IOM presentation of the original study, highlighted on page 29 and 31.

http://iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/PublicHealth/ImmunizationSafety/DeStefanoslides.pdf

William Thompson has worked for the government agency for over a decade and confirmed that "the CDC knew about the relationship between the age of first MMR vaccine and autism incidence in African-American boys as early as 2003, but chose to cover it up." He remarked "we've missed ten years of research because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They're not doing what they should be doing because they're afraid to look for things that might be associated." He alleges criminal wrongdoing by his supervisors, and he expressed deep regret about his role in helping the CDC hide data.

This increase in the rate of regressive autism in African Americans has also been found. Autism Speaks reports that "Regressive Autism Reported Twice as Often among African American Children"
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/regressive-autism-reported-twice-often-among-african-american-children
It would seem to be directly connected to the recent release of documents CDC documents and admissions by CDC Government researcher William Thompson.

Thompson’s revelations call into question the nine other studies cited by the CDC as evidence denying a link between vaccines and autism. They also have spurred a change.org petition to have the fraudulent study retracted from the Journal of Pediatrics, which published it in 2004.

A recently released memo from 2004 of Dr. Thompson expressing concerns to Dr. Gerberding, the head of the CDC at the time, about this problematic study has citizens upset. Does this mean Dr. Gerberding could have committed perjury during a congressional hearing? More investigation will be needed to know. A copy of the letter obtained under FOIA can be found here. http://www.naturalnews.com/images/CDC-Gerberding-Warning-Vaccines-Autism.jpg

Regardless many citizens view this as a deliberate malfeasance at the taxpayers’ expense have begun a social media blitz to inform others of this story as it unfolds. Using the Twitter hashtags #CDCwhistleblower and #CDCfraud. Parents are hoping to have the agency held accountable for its role in any cover-up and are demanding an investigation on whether Dr. Coleen Boyle also perjured herself in testimony before Congress when addressing concerns of a potential vaccine-autism link.

The US Department of Health Resources and Services Administration has already recognized autism as a secondary cause of vaccine injury as documented in the Update to the Vaccine Injury Table following the 2011 IOM report. They did reject Autism as a direct adverse effect of the MMR specifically, but in view of these revelations that may be revisited.

http://hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/iomreportupdate030812.pdf

The CDC responded to these claims stating that they recognize this study showed an increased risk of autism from the MMR:

“findings revealed that vaccination between 24 and 36 months was slightly more common among children with autism, and that association was strongest among children 3-5 years of age.”

They dismissed this with an assumption that parents with children that have autism rushed to get vaccinated for school.

“most likely a result of immunization requirements for preschool special education program attendance in children with autism.”

This raises questions as there are immunization requirements for all children attending public school and they already excluded children that had a vaccine exemption, so this should not have differed from the controls.

An addition the CDC states they excluded the population in question due not having a Georgia birth certificate: "

the subset of children who had a Georgia birth certificate.

Access to the information on the birth certificates allowed researchers to assess more complete information on race as well as other important characteristics, including possible risk factors for autism such as the child’s birth weight, mother’s age, and education. This information was not available for the children without birth certificates;"

There is a problem with this statement as the CDC could have still gotten the needed data from out-of-state birth certificates, They would have had those in the school records as with the kids born in Georgia. So saying they could not get the data on mothers occupation and birth weight is false in and of itself.

The CDC also states that

“Additional studies and a more recent rigorous review by the Institute of Medicine have found that MMR vaccine does not increase the risk of autism”.

The Studies that the CDC uses to confirm no link between the MMR and autism are 4 that they list on their website at (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/MMR/MMR.html ). A quick look at these 4 studies raises several questions.

One is the study talked about in this article showing a significant connection
A second was done by the infamous Dr. Thorsen who is awaiting extradition to the US on Fraud and is listed on the CDC’s most wanted list putting any of his work into question and this is outside of other potential problems with the study that have been brought up.
A third is an exploratory study of very small sample sizes, 28 children total, making this unreliable. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2526159/
The last one also used a small control sample size of only 31 children and relied on parent interviews to provide medical and behavioral information. Beyond that they did find that oer half (50%) of children with autism did regress shortly after the MMR vaccine (<5 months) even though they then concluded there was no connection. http://www.bu.edu/autism/files/2010/03/2006-Richler-et-al-MMR-Vaccine1.pdf


This begs the question as to why there are only these four studies used to support the claims that the MRR is safe and yet a quick search of PubMed finds A 2012 peer reviewed research paper studying over 500,000 children that found significant increase adverse effects after certain MMR vaccinations including a 22 Times increased risk of meningitis, 500% increase risk of febrile seizure, and other major side effects including a blood clotting disorder.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803

The full CDC statement can be seen here
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/cdc2004pediatrics.html

A recent release of another document shows that William Thompson was so concerned with the report, in light of a 2002 Department of Justice (DOJ) investigation, that the he considered removing his name from the paper. In light of his recent statements and released documents could all of the lawyers involved have been to try and prevent information release? Credit to NaturalNews for the release of this information: http://www.naturalnews.com/images/CDC-DOJ-Investigation-MMR-Vaccine-Autism-NN-Watermark.jpg

A fulla rticle analyzin the Press Release can be found on the iReport http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1165664
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Just more BS, it wasn't CNN is was a blogger. SOS,DD

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Anti-vaxers are still lying to you, but their latest lie comes with just a hint of racism as well. Sadly, it's spreading like wildfire on social media, proving once again that Mark Twain’s saying “A lie can get half way round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes,” remains true today. Perhaps in the internet age, we can say that the lie gets all the way around the world before the truth even sits down to put its shoes on.

The claim is that not only is autism much higher among African-American boys who were vaccinated before 36 months than those after that date, but that a “top research scientist” has revealed that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have known this for over a decade and covered it up. If the allegation is to be believed, a study was done of 2583 children living in Atlanta and when this showed autism rates 240% higher among the early-vaccinated crowd almost half the children were excluded from the study on irrelevant grounds in order to bring the results in line with accepted science.

David Gorski at Science Based Medicine explains the reality in considerable detail, along with plenty of background on the key players.

The summary is that, in 2004 a paper was published in Pediatrics, finding that children with autism were not significantly more likely to have received the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine early than those without. It is one of numerous papers making the same finding from different places and with different techniques.

Now a paper has been published in a journal called Translational Neurodegeneration which says that while there was no difference in the population overall there was among African American boys. The finding is made using a very small sample using a method known to be prone to false positives by someone with no background in epidemiology but a burning hatred of vaccines. It was published in the third issue of a journal that claims to be peer reviewed but has no impact factor yet.

It was followed by a video that compares the allegations to such horrors as the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, when African American men were deliberately denied effective treatment, and the activities of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. Hyperbole much?

But the thing really getting attention is the “whistleblower”, Dr William Thompson, who supposedly says that the CDC knew about the correlation all along and covered it up. Except that in the video Thompson doesn’t say much, he mostly just gets paraphrased, by, you guessed it, Brian Hooker, the author of the Translational Neurodegeneration paper who claims Thompson told him these things, but provides no evidence.

Sadly medical facilities for African American children remain worse, on average, than the US population as a whole, as a result of higher levels of poverty. Consequently, those whose parents are scared by this finding into not getting vaccinating their children are even more likely to die than white unvaccinated children would be. Everyone fanning this fire must feel very proud.

Update: This article originally referred to a 340% increase in autism. This is the figure that has been trumpeted by many of the anti-vax websites we were critiquing, but even Hooker's exceptionally dubious paper reports rates 3.4 times, or a 240% increase.


See: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/no-cdc-not-covering-evidence-vaccines-cause-autism
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Bloody is a phony and a Douche...

( I hope he sees this during many of his lurkings)

wheel,,
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wheelrite wrote:
Bloody is a phony and a Douche...

( I hope he sees this during many of his lurkings)

wheel,,


He is NOT a phony! He's a genuine douche!

(I got ya back, bloodsport!)
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I like Bloody. Imagine being dealt his hand.
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Funny. Just this week the study saying there was a link between autism and mmr in African American boys based on the cdc data sets was pulled as flawed. The very study the op relies on.

The dude making the link is making a big deal out of kids excluded from the study due to no birth certificate. He's adding those in and claiming sons things that others say is not there. His study has been pulled.

No one is claiming fraud in the original making this op not credible. As an aside the original did account for the excluded kids (ie while excluded from the published study analysis was still conducted)

If there is fraud it is by the person making the link. Among misrepresenting data and other accusations he is also accused of secretly recording conversations without folks knowledge and cherry picking components if that out if context.

The folks paying for his results also have a vested interest in establishing the link.

My guess..... The dudes going down. His study if their study already has.
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teedubbya wrote:
Funny. Just this week the study saying there was a link between autism and mmr in African American boys based on the cdc data sets was pulled as flawed. The very study the op relies on.

The dude making the link is making a big deal out of kids excluded from the study due to no birth certificate. He's adding those in and claiming sons things that others say is not there. His study has been pulled.

No one is claiming fraud in the original making this op not credible. As an aside the original did account for the excluded kids (ie while excluded from the published study analysis was still conducted)

If there is fraud it is by the person making the link. Among misrepresenting data and other accusations he is also accused of secretly recording conversations without folks knowledge and cherry picking components if that out if context.

The folks paying for his results also have a vested interest in establishing the link.

My guess..... The dudes going down. His study if their study already has.

as much as I really do like Bloody, my wife (she knows tons about this stuff) scoffs at these reports. I have landed on the side that believes there is no link.

That is not a scientific fact.
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I don't know what the answer is. It seems to me to be more genetic than environmental but likely is both. That's from a lay person reading lots of the studies.

There are an awful lot of people that want to find it is caused by immunization and are seeking any crumb they can to support that. So far I've not seen anything credible that supports that and have seen more and more that disputes that.

To that folks will say big bad government and cdc etc. just don't want to find that because of big pharma etc. when you start with that as your argument and immediately dismiss contrary evidence you can not have a worthwhile discussion. It's emotion over science.

But who knows.
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Apparently your apologies haven't been sufficient. Bloody is still MIA.

Maybe we should take up a collection and buy cards, flowers, and an I'm Sorry singing telegram?
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That might work. He lurks in here so more apologies in here will help as well. Le hickey dad said he would apologize then beg him but he never did. That could bd the problem. You know he wants to comf back.

Maybe le hockey dad should be the singing telegram? Wonder if he can sing rod Stewarts if you think I'm sexy while wearing head to toe spandex? Maybe that's too much. How about a huge 80's boom box and don't you forget about me.
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We could all send him pictures of us with one fist in the air.

Jade could send one of his fist in wheel.
MACS Offline
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We could do that Braveheart scene... all dress up in kilts and then flash him our willies and our butts.

teedubbya Offline
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That would just get him aroused.
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Maybe, but I kinda miss him... so if it got him to come back it'd be worth it.

Plus, I mean, who doesn't like to show off their package?
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I blame climate change.
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Dang Lurkers!!!

Bloodster where are you.....
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Global warming makes MACS want to show people his package?

MACS I honestly couldn't care less if he is here or not. It's his call. I do appreciate the tone in here when he is gone but that said nothing in here has ever really gotten under my skin or made me mad (despite what some who want to make me mad proclaim). I get amused when folks do let **** under their skin. Nothing in here is all that important. His hissy fit and temper tantrum admittedly are amusing to me. t's someone taking themselves and what happens in here way too seriously. When that someone is someone that brings the venom so consistently it makes it even more amusing.

Come or go. It's up to us all.
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The CDC, NIH & Bill Gates Own the Patents On Existing Ebola & Related Vaccines: Mandatory Vaccinations Are Near

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Bill Gates, the king of vaccines.
Bill Gates, the king of vaccines.

I have previously reported that Monsanto, or Monsatan as many call them, has partnered with the Department of Defense to use a proxy third party company to develop a vaccine against Ebola. The seed money began at $1.5 million. The value of the deal could grow to an estimated $86 million dollars. The company’s name is Tekmira Pharmaceuticals Corporation (TKMR) (TKM.TO), a leading developer of RNA interference (RNAi) therapeutics. “TKM-Ebola, an anti-Ebola virus RNAi therapeutic, is being developed under a $140 million contract with the U.S. Department of Defense’s Medical Countermeasure Systems BioDefense Therapeutics (MCS-BDTX) Joint Product Management Office”. As breaking and shocking of a news story as this has the potential to be, the real story is that this is not the most important part of the Ebola threat which has invaded the United States. The truth of the matter is that these unholy and untrustworthy associations, when it comes to “fighting” the Ebola virus, represent the mere tip of the iceberg.

The more on digs into who is behind the creation and the development of vaccines for treating Ebola, the more the conspiracy networks widen. The most amazing fact is how incredibly easy it was to locate this information. I want to be clear on this point, Ebola was invented, a vaccine for Ebola has existed for 8-10 years, some government sponsored institutions as well as some of the global elite have positioned themselves to profit enormously from the spread of the virus and the development of and dissemination of mandatory Ebola vaccines and the imposition of total martial law in the process. Here is the proof.



Human ebola virus species and compositions and methods thereof
CA 2741523 A1

Amazingly, the CDC owns “the” patent on Ebola and all future strains.

The “SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION” section of the patent document also clearly claims that the U.S. government is claiming “ownership” over all Ebola viruses that share as little as 70% similarity with the Ebola it “invented”:

Why would a government organization claim to have “invented” this infectious disease and then claim a monopoly over its exploitation for commercial use? It is clear that the CDC plans to claim royalties on Ebola vaccines. This certainly increases the likelihood that the vaccines will become mandatory, thus increasing the profit potential for the patent holders.



Publication number CA2741523 A1
Publication type Application
Application number CA 2741523
PCT number PCT/US2009/062079
Publication date Apr 29, 2010
Filing date Oct 26, 2009
Priority date Oct 24, 2008
Also published as EP2350270A2, 4 More »
Inventors Jonathan S. Towner, Stuart T. Nichol, James A. Comer, Thomas G. Ksiazek, Pierre E. Rollin
Applicant Jonathan S. Towner, 5 More »
Export Citation BiBTeX, EndNote, RefMan
Classifications (21), Legal Events (1)
External Links: CIPO, Espacenet


Clearly, Ebola is manmade and this patent proves this contention. Why does the CDC need to own the patent on Ebola? Perhaps, we should ask Bill Gates why he is donating $50 million to the UN and the CDC in the name of fighting Ebola (see video below). The CDC has partners in the fight against Ebola, namely, Crucell, the National Institute of Health (NIH) and the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) and, of course, Bill and Melinda Gates.







Since when would Gates not expect a return on his investment? Gates and Michael Bloomberg have already contributed large sums of money to numerous vaccination causes such as the Global Polio Eradication Initiative originally launched in 1988 by the World Health Organization (WHO), Rotary International, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF). The return on investment has been impressive.

Gates has announced that he plans to vaccinate every child in the third world with multiple vaccines, which could result in a dramatic population reduction of 10-15%. Do you realize the enormous profits that can be realized by vaccinating every child in the third world? If we apply Gates’ penchant for investing in causes which produce a hefty “return on investment” (ROI) then one could reasonably suspect that Gates is positioning himself to profit on the $50 million he has invested in the Ebola cause which conveniently includes the CDC, the holder of the patent for Ebola.

The NIH presently holds all patents on Ebola vaccines. Crucell is much like Tekimara is to Monsanto in that they are fronting the science for the Ebola vaccine treatment patents.



What You Are Not Being Told: Fast facts From Crucell’s Website

Crucell is developing an Ebola vaccine in collaboration with the Vaccine Research Center (VRC) of the NIH National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). It has been shown to completely protect monkeys against the virus with a single dose of the vaccine.
Under the terms of the agreement with VRC, Crucell has an option for exclusive worldwide commercialization rights to the Ebola vaccine.
Crucell’s Ebola vaccine entered Phase I clinical trials in Q3 2006. Two groups of 16 volunteers were enrolled and vaccinated. The study showed safety and immunogenicity at the doses evaluated.
In October 2008, Crucell secured a NIAID/NIH award to advance the development of Ebola and Marburg vaccines, with the ultimate aim of developing a multivalent filovirus vaccine.
The award provides funding of up to $30 million, with additional options, worth a further $40 million.


Do you understand how much we are being lied to by the media on this topic? The work on an Ebola virus, sanctioned by the holder of the patent for the vaccine, the NIH), has been ongoing since 2004 with clinical trials in 2006. This explains why the CDC and the NIH are bringing Ebola patients into the country to treat. The moment that an Ebola patient crosses the U.S. border, they become the intellectual property of the CDC, NIH and Bill and Melinda Gates! How can we not believe that this is the Hegelian Dialectic run amok in a case of problem creation, solution to the problem and reaction to the problem?
The involvement of the USAMRIID is noteworthy because the Army has long been rumored to have created Ebola and, for purposes of experimentation, implanted the artificial virus in Zaire in 1977.



When an unsuspecting public is finally told of the existence of an Ebola vaccine, the Global Fund will be in charge of the distribution of the vaccine. Interestingly, Bill Gates has donated a total of $560 million dollars to the Global Fund. The Global Fund has also positioned themselves to be in charge of the distribution of the “newly developed”, and not yet announced vaccines for TB and HIV. Since the goal is the vaccination of every man, woman and child on the planet with multiple vaccines, Gates’ $560 million contribution to the Global Fund is chump change compared to the expected ROI. However, on deck is the Ebola virus.



The Political Direction of This Crisis

I mentioned in Part One of this series that my best military insider source has told me that the Department of Homeland Security has taken over the plans for mandatory Ebola vaccinations and the imposition of martial law. I also mentioned in Part One how very few soldiers and police officers will actually realize that they are actually enforcing martial law since they are merely reacting to a “health crisis”, albeit contrived, which will involve severe travel restrictions and the quarantining of segments of the population of the country. If one really wants to appreciate the depth of this conspiracy and the players involved, I would recommend that visiting the Crucell website which is linked above.

The operational details of the mandatory vaccination program will be forthcoming in a future article.
wheelrite Offline
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I feel asleep while reading this...

What does this have to do with why Bloody is douche Bag ?

I'm confused...

wheel,,
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I'm tired and lazy, so I'm honestly not going to follow up on those patents.

But that entire wall of text in post 18 reads to me like someone doesn't understand (or is willfully ignorant of) the functionality of vaccines or the patent process.

As I said, I'm too tired to dig in, so I could very well be wrong. But I see a LOT of red flags in the article.
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I suspect it will be many years before the cause(s) of Autism become public knowledge.

Do vaccines cause it? Who knows? But, what I do know is that my daughter received a double dose of MMR because she was sick when one of her doses was due. When the next dose was due, she was given both. Among other things, my daughter was tested and shown to have high levels of mercury in her body. Thimerosal (Ethylmercury) is used as a preservative in MMR. Is this a coincience, or a cause? Who knows?

But, I do know that vaccines are a huge business much the same as the defense industry is. As such, I'm sure those with a vested interest will leave no trace of a connection should one actually exist.

At the end of the day, what really matters is the quality of life of those afflicted and the pain their loved ones bear knowing nothing can be done to help.
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Does this have anything to do with the Georgia Guidestones ??
HockeyDad Offline
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Like somebody would listen to something from Georgia.
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The Georgia Guide Stones, which I have visited a couple of times, make much more sense than the people that want to bring back polio, diphtheria, measles, the mumps and other human pestilence.

I don't fault them, I fault their lack of science and their inability/refusal to differentiate between cause and effect or between scientific proof and anecdotal evidence.
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jetblasted Offline
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I visited them once, and that was enough for me.

The damn place felt evil to me . . .

Gene363 Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
I visited them once, and that was enough for me.

The damn place felt evil to me . . .



I thought they were pretty cool. I also agree with the population limitation they recommend.

Back in the day, long before 'all the scientists agreed on global warming, there were scary predictions of another ice age.' Before that, it was the, 'Population Bomb is going to get us all!!!' I'm sticking with the population bomb as the root of our problems, even global warming.
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That would mean eliminating 6.5 billion people.

I think I read somewhere about a northern hemisphere nuclear war would spare South America, etc., because of the trade winds.

One has to wonder why the Bush's own 100,000 acres in Paraguay.
Gene363 Offline
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jetblasted wrote:
That would mean eliminating 6.5 billion people.

I think I read somewhere about a northern hemisphere nuclear war would spare South America, etc., because of the trade winds.

One has to wonder why the Bush's own 100,000 acres in Paraguay.


Screw Nukes, give Ebola a chance, I'm just saying.
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#25 jetblasted...

Your RIGHT.

THAT PLACE IS EVIL INCARNATE.

What kind of moron or group of morons
Would build something like that.

The only guys who "made out" on that deal were
The MASON STONECUTTERS , THE MARBLE QUARRY, AND THE CRANE OPERATOR CONTRACTOR...
EVERYBODY ELSE IS F$CKED.
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