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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Oct 14 2014, 4:25 PM EST
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/10/13/america-the-whiny-everyone-blames-everyone-for-an-ebola-disaster-that-has-yet-to-occur/
TMCTLT Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 5:37 AM EST
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We'll see how you feel after you contract it smart guy....
itsawaldo Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 5:39 AM EST
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Another health care worker just diagnosed in Dallas, the never ending circle..
HockeyDad Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 7:27 AM EST
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Stop the outbreak.....nuke Dallas!
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 7:56 AM EST
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Its Airborne... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 8:23 AM EST
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Jon Stewart's bit from over two months ago still plays as well today as it did then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QIWZ7HxuHc
cacman Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 8:29 AM EST
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Add another infected person to the list.
It will get worse, with more cases, before it gets better.
gryphonms Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 9:13 AM EST
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Why allow people in high risk groups admission to our country?
jpotts Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 10:04 AM EST
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Yes, because being paranoid, and therefore proactive is totally stupid. We should have at least half a million dead, scrambling, running around like chickens with our heads cut off to try and stop the spread of the disease. That's actually "preferable."

This thing is something like 50% lethal at its best, and is highly contagious.

Victor shows us, once again, the benefits of a "higher education"...

I dunno, given the time it would take to get a treatment in the works on a mass scale, and distributed adequately, I think a little paranoia and over-reaction isn't all that bad.

But I think this also doesn't help Victor's argument:

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

Second Dallas health care worker infected with deadly Ebola virus

DALLAS – A second Texas health care worker who treated Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan has become infected with the deadly disease, health officials announced early Wednesday.

The female hospital staffer reported a fever on Tuesday and was immediately isolated at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, officials said.

A bleary-eyed Dr. Daniel Varga, the hospital's chief clinical officer, called the second worker's infection “an unprecedented crisis” during a news conference.


The employee's name, age, and position have not been released.

“This is a heroic person, a person who has dedicated her life to helping others and is a servant leader,” Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said during a news conference.

The woman was among 76 hospital workers who cared for Duncan, a Liberian citizen who died from Ebola at Texas Health Presbyterian a week ago.




Call me crazy, but I think if the staff was properly trained on how to handle this disease, we wouldn't have two healthcare workers contracting it, now would we?

Victor shows us, once again, the benefits of a "higher education"...
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 10:11 AM EST
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JPotts!!!
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:26 AM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Yes, because being paranoid, and therefore proactive is totally stupid. We should have at least half a million dead, scrambling, running around like chickens with our heads cut off to try and stop the spread of the disease. That's actually "preferable."

This thing is something like 50% lethal at its best, and is highly contagious.

Victor shows us, once again, the benefits of a "higher education"...

I dunno, given the time it would take to get a treatment in the works on a mass scale, and distributed adequately, I think a little paranoia and over-reaction isn't all that bad.

But I think this also doesn't help Victor's argument:

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

Second Dallas health care worker infected with deadly Ebola virus

DALLAS – A second Texas health care worker who treated Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan has become infected with the deadly disease, health officials announced early Wednesday.

The female hospital staffer reported a fever on Tuesday and was immediately isolated at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, officials said.

A bleary-eyed Dr. Daniel Varga, the hospital's chief clinical officer, called the second worker's infection “an unprecedented crisis” during a news conference.


The employee's name, age, and position have not been released.

“This is a heroic person, a person who has dedicated her life to helping others and is a servant leader,” Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said during a news conference.

The woman was among 76 hospital workers who cared for Duncan, a Liberian citizen who died from Ebola at Texas Health Presbyterian a week ago.




Call me crazy, but I think if the staff was properly trained on how to handle this disease, we wouldn't have two healthcare workers contracting it, now would we?

Victor shows us, once again, the benefits of a "higher education"...


You must not have even read my article.
Sounds just like you potts.

My argument is that it isn't a disaster yet, and everyone is running around blaming the other side for a disaster that hasn't happened yet.

This isn't about "paranoia" or about being prepared.

It's about both sides declaring this a "disaster" when the disaster hasn't occurred yet.

But hey... look, you're already trying to figure out how to blame people too... with your "if the staff was properly trained..."
fishinguitarman Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:35 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You must not have even read my article.
Sounds just like you potts.

My argument is that it isn't a disaster yet, and everyone is running around blaming the other side for a disaster that hasn't happened yet.

This isn't about "paranoia" or about being prepared.

It's about both sides declaring this a "disaster" when the disaster hasn't occurred yet.

But hey... look, you're already trying to figure out how to blame people too... with your "if the staff was properly trained..."







Do you argue with with yourself or the TV when nobody else is available?
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:35 AM EST
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Awh, it's just like old times again.

*sniff*sniff*
gryphonms Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:41 AM EST
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Victor, you are right in one regard, that isn't a disaster yet. But there is one statistic that is truly scary. About 50 healthcare workers came in contact with Mr. Duncan. Of those 50 people 2 now have Ebola which means 4% of the healthcare workers came down with Ebola. To me this signifies that Ebola is more virulent than we think or our existing safety protocols are ineffective.
jetblasted Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:42 AM EST
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The Flu killed 50 million people in 1918 Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:45 AM EST
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Victor, you really are an Ignorant slug to believe that we need to wait for an all out epidemic to occur!!! If this is what " higher edumication " does for you, I'll pass. AAND...there's only ONE side to blame, the one currently taking up space in the WhiteHouse...Period.
victor809 Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:51 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Victor, you really are an Ignorant slug to believe that we need to wait for an all out epidemic to occur!!! If this is what " higher edumication " does for you, I'll pass.



Reading comprehension people. The article is about blame and whining.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that we should NOT wait for a disaster to occur before blaming people for its occurrence?

Are you pro premature blaming?

I am not saying we shouldn't be treating the epidemic in africa like what it is, an epidemic (incidentally, the article doesn't say we shouldn't etiher). It's saying a few infected people in the US does not yet make a disaster which should immediately be blamed on (insert the political party you hate)... and yes, the article points out and chastises BOTH sides for doing this.

jpotts Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 11:58 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You must not have even read my article.
Sounds just like you potts.

My argument is that it isn't a disaster yet, and everyone is running around blaming the other side for a disaster that hasn't happened yet.

This isn't about "paranoia" or about being prepared.

It's about both sides declaring this a "disaster" when the disaster hasn't occurred yet.

But hey... look, you're already trying to figure out how to blame people too... with your "if the staff was properly trained..."


Yes, two healthcare workers contracting a highly contagious disease, that is veritably lethal isn't a disaster...unless you are one of the two healthcare workers. Oh well, Victor, in your view it's just "sucks to be them."

And how may people have they been in contact with since their initial exposure? Were they locked in a room somewhere until they became symptomatic? Or did they go shopping, kiss their kids before going to school, and so on?

You are veritable fountain of compassion, empathy, and understanding. Because all of that extensive training they got should have prevented this, right? Oh wait: it didn't. Gosh. Oh well, nothing to see here...

The fact is that this is a disaster in the making. Anybody with half a brain can figure that out. This isn't the a bunch of self-anointed health "experts" talking about how some obscure virus can mutate and - perhaps - go airborne. This is a disease that is lethal and very contagious right-frickin'-now, right out of the box.

And you? You dismiss it as hysteria, and being "uninformed."

Tell us, Victor, how long does it take for medications to get past FDA bureaucracy, all of the liability lawyers, regulations, and so on to actually make it to the market? If said Ebola medications are actually more than marginally effective?

A little paranoia on this is actually pretty healthy. But hey, you keep thinking your the smartest guy in the room on this. It's been working great!
TMCTLT Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:01 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Reading comprehension people. The article is about blame and whining.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that we should NOT wait for a disaster to occur before blaming people for its occurrence?

Are you pro premature blaming?

I am not saying we shouldn't be treating the epidemic in africa like what it is, an epidemic (incidentally, the article doesn't say we shouldn't etiher). It's saying a few infected people in the US does not yet make a disaster which should immediately be blamed on (insert the political party you hate)... and yes, the article points out and chastises BOTH sides for doing this.




I CAN easily blame the POTUS for NOT ceasing flights into our country and the fact that it arrived here in the first place BECAUSE the individual LIED about having contact....should show you that we cannot continue to run the risk of having more fly in. Pretty simple reall, but I understand you only deal in highly intellectual thinking. :-"

Oh and BTW his ( OBummer's ) CDC is also trying to make light of it, you idiots tell that to the poor infected individuals and their family members.
fishinguitarman Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:02 PM EST
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Well said Pottsy
DrMaddVibe Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:06 PM EST
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If the Kenyan King has an airborne virus it would look like ebola.
victor809 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:06 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Yes, two healthcare workers contracting a highly contagious disease, that is veritably lethal isn't a disaster...unless you are one of the two healthcare workers. Oh well, Victor, in your view it's just "sucks to be them."

And how may people have they been in contact with since their initial exposure? Were they locked in a room somewhere until they became symptomatic? Or did they go shopping, kiss their kids before going to school, and so on?

You are veritable fountain of compassion, empathy, and understanding. Because all of that extensive training they got should have prevented this, right? Oh wait: it didn't. Gosh. Oh well, nothing to see here...

The fact is that this is a disaster in the making. Anybody with half a brain can figure that out. This isn't the a bunch of self-anointed health "experts" talking about how some obscure virus can mutate and - perhaps - go airborne. This is a disease that is lethal and very contagious right-frickin'-now, right out of the box.

And you? You dismiss it as hysteria, and being "uninformed."

Tell us, Victor, how long does it take for medications to get past FDA bureaucracy, all of the liability lawyers, regulations, and so on to actually make it to the market? If said Ebola medications are actually more than marginally effective?

A little paranoia on this is actually pretty healthy. But hey, you keep thinking your the smartest guy in the room on this. It's been working great!



I have to assume I'm the smartest guy in the room, because no-one else seems to be able to understand the english language I'm using.

Again. Not about paranoia. You can personally be as paranoid as you want. Lock yourself in your basement, put tarps over your home, walk around in a haz-mat suit... I will not blame you. Your personal protection is your business.

The article is about BLAME. As in, why are people blaming each other for a disaster that HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

You even said "disaster in the making"... means it isn't a disaster yet. 2 infected isn't a disaster. They likely won't die (the lethality in africa is without western medical facilities. Lethality in the US is likely in the teens... not great, but not a guaranteed death sentence either). You may want to classify me as "heartless" but it simply is not a disaster. If that's a disaster, then so many things in our world is a disaster.

At this time, it can still be brought under control. We know the individuals who are infected, we know how they got infected. Finding the individuals they may have infected can be done. It can be controlled. (this is not a guarantee it will be, just that it can be). At the point in time people start showing up infected with Ebola WITHOUT us having an understanding of who they contracted it from... then we have a problem. then it isn't under control.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I have to assume I'm the smartest guy in the room, because no-one else seems to be able to understand the english language I'm using.



I LOL'd
jpotts Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Reading comprehension people. The article is about blame and whining.



Yes. We should tell those two healthcare workers who contracted Ebola to shut up, and quit whining. It's their job to die!

You are so correct on this, Victor!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:13 PM EST
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One of these days we're going to find out just how the zombie apocalypse took over the planet and the CDC laboratories in Atlanta on "The Walking Dead".

Who YOU gonna blame when Dale kills you?
jpotts Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:13 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I have to assume I'm the smartest guy in the room, because no-one else seems to be able to understand the english language I'm using.

Again. Not about paranoia. You can personally be as paranoid as you want. Lock yourself in your basement, put tarps over your home, walk around in a haz-mat suit... I will not blame you. Your personal protection is your business.

The article is about BLAME. As in, why are people blaming each other for a disaster that HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.


Yes, because it is far better to blame people after a disaster. You know, when 20 million people die. That's when we start taking it serious and blaming people!

Gish, victor. You are indeed smart.

I mean, us stupid people would prefer to maybe limit the disease and prevent a disaster, blame or no. But you're right: no one should be held to account the fact that people treating these poor victims are contracting the disease themselves. It must because they did something stupid, and not because the proper safeguards were in place from the outset.

Oh, and how - and where - did Patient Zero contract Ebola in the first place?
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:16 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Yes, because it is far better to blame people after a disaster. You know, when 20 million people die. That's when we start taking it serious and blaming people!

Gish, victor. You are indeed smart.

I mean, us stupid people would prefer to maybe limit the disease and prevent a disaster, blame or no. But you're right: no one should be held to account the fact that people treating these poor victims are contracting the disease themselves. It must because they did something stupid, and not because the proper safeguards were in place from the outset.

Oh, and how - and where - did Patient Zero contract Ebola in the first place?



You clearly didn't bother reading the article.
We're done here.
HockeyDad Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:26 PM EST
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I blame Jameis Winston.

#blamejameis
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#29 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:35 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You clearly didn't bother reading the article.
We're done here.


Yes, I read the article.

The author is yet another intelligencia Idi Amin Jr. kiss-a** who thinks that maybe banning flights to Africa is a bit too extreme. I mean, that's something better left to punishing Israel - who, by the way, is not the source of any deadly, communicable disease - than Africa.

In short, he's just another smarmy doorknob who doesn't actually have to treat Ebola victims. He can just write about how all of us hicks are overreacting.

Instead, we should let a couple of million people die before getting serious about this disease. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Again, how did the patient in Texas contract Ebola, and where?

How did two people who treated him get Ebola as well?

Yet this same moron will go off about "Man-made Climate Change", and post predictions about all sorts of imaginary, potential disasters of which we have ZERO credible evidence - both scientific and historic - as to their coming true. Yet, with Influenza, Typhoid Fever, and drug-resistant TB being in our past, Ebola getting into this country is just one big non-story. Ho hum.

It is no wonder Victor thinks this guy is on to something. "Great minds" think alike.
fishinguitarman Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:36 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Yes. We should tell those two healthcare workers who contracted Ebola to shut up, and quit whining. It's their job to die!

You are so correct on this, Victor!




Dang Pottsy...You've been here long enough to know that Vicki is ALWAYS right! Sheesh! d'oh!
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Oct 15 2014, 12:47 PM EST
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jpotts wrote:
Yes, I read the article.

The author is yet another intelligencia Idi Amin Jr. kiss-a** who thinks that maybe banning flights to Africa is a bit too extreme. I mean, that's something better left to punishing Israel - who, by the way, is not the source of any deadly, communicable disease - than Africa.

In short, he's just another smarmy doorknob who doesn't actually have to treat Ebola victims. He can just write about how all of us hicks are overreacting.

Instead, we should let a couple of million people die before getting serious about this disease. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Again, how did the patient in Texas contract Ebola, and where?

How did two people who treated him get Ebola as well?

Yet this same moron will go off about "Man-made Climate Change", and post predictions about all sorts of imaginary, potential disasters of which we have ZERO credible evidence - both scientific and historic - as to their coming true. Yet, with Influenza, Typhoid Fever, and drug-resistant TB being in our past, Ebola getting into this country is just one big non-story. Ho hum.

It is no wonder Victor thinks this guy is on to something. "Great minds" think alike.


You clearly didn't read the article. There isn't a single mention of flights, banning flights, or not banning flights.
There isn't a single mention about not treating the disease properly.

you don't bother reading it, yet you're sure he's wrong and you're sure you know exactly what he thinks on other topics.

Potts... good to see you haven't changed.
cacman Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Oct 16 2014, 9:28 AM EST
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Maybe we should Blame the Obamacare Insurance policies for not allowing Duncan to be admitted the first time.

Maybe we should blame the Obamacare Insurance policies for not properly preparing health-care workers after the big "o" himself said "the chance of the infection reaching the US is very low".

Maybe we should blame the Obamacare Insurance policies for allowing the insurance to dictate care instead of an actual doctor.
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#33 Posted: Thu, Oct 16 2014, 9:45 AM EST
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Many exotic diseases are missed upon presentation to ED.

Remember MERS? That was us...

Ebola would not be on the radar for 99 9% of the emergency departments in the US prior to this.

Standard isolation protocols in most places are insufficient for something like this.

I hope and pray it stops soon. I consider myself very dedicated to my profession and my patients, but my ultimate goal is to provide for my family. There's limited risk I will assume, and I will walk away from my life's work to keep my family safe.

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#34 Posted: Thu, Oct 16 2014, 9:47 AM EST
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What would Bo Jackson do..?? Think
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#35 Posted: Thu, Oct 16 2014, 9:47 AM EST
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cacman wrote:


Maybe we should blame the Insurance policies for allowing the insurance to dictate care instead of an actual doctor.


if the public only knew what goes on behind the scenes...
HockeyDad Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Oct 16 2014, 9:54 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
What would Bo Jackson do..?? Think



He would blame the Ebola outbreak on Jameis Winston
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