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It is a sad day in America when a man cant even walk into a convenience store and take what is his without getting hassled from the police. The nerve of that store owner to try and stop Mr. Brown from pursuing his happiness. Did he not see that Brown was much bigger? Therefore, he has a RIGHT to those cigars! Then for a kicker, the cops expect this man to listen to their orders? What? Are we in North Korea? At least the good people of Ferguson, and other bigger cities, are righting this ship. Nothing a molotov cocktail and some car flipping to send the message that "Hey, we are not animals! GIVE us some respect!!"

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE !!

Good to see you're secure in the idea that an appropriate outcome for stealing cigarillos and fighting with a cop is death.

We are never going to know what actually happened. Taking into account the psychology behind memory, I can even guarantee you that neither the witnesses nor darren wilson even actually know what happened during that time, let alone bothered to present us with an account which accurately described what they remember seeing. It would have been nice if there were a video camera somewhere (I'm surprised there wasn't).

but ignoring all that... a kid got shot. He didn't get shot because he was shooting at anyone. He didn't get shot because he was armed. He wasn't even driving a vehicle. He physically appeared threatening to an armed police officer. That's why he got shot.

It seems stupid to me. Seems even stupider that people would gloat over the ruling.

Did you look at the photos from the hospital?
There's almost nothing. It's laughable. Seriously, if you had a male friend who came up to you whining about the little bit of rugburn on those photos you would laugh at him.

I'm not saying he wasn't hit. But that wasn't actual damage. That still fits as a "threat of damage".

Victor, you plainly said that we'll never know what happened. Why argue? Except for the Devil's Advocate posture, I suppose.

BTW, what is the range of acceptable outcomes for (threatening and) fighting with a cop? I dunno, but seems to me that death would be inside (or damn close to) that spectrum.

I'm not gonna disagree with you. I do use it a lot. However, in this case I didn't need to reduce that one far. He made a sarcastic comment suggesting those upset about the outcome were incorrect in being upset. This suggests he believes the outcome is correct. That's about the extent of my reduction there...


Yes you are correct. The only point I'm trying to make is that individuals who seem to think they know which witness is lying (possibly none, possibly all of them, that's the funny thing about memory) and what actually happened are undoubtedly wrong. Mainly because they aren't basing their statements on anything.


No it isn't. We know he wasn't shooting anyone (that isn't speculation). We know he wasn't armed (that isn't speculation). We know he wasn't driving a vehicle (that isn't speculation). And we know he physically appeared threatening to an armed police officer (my fault for not using a direct quote, but if you were to read Darren Wilson's transcript he describes Brown as making him feel like a kid trying to hold on to hulk hogan, and other colorful metaphors).

I guess that's my own fault. What I should have said was "That's the justification for why he got shot". You're right, we don't know WHY he got shot, but we do know how the officer justified it, and we know the grand jury found that justification to be acceptable. That would be a more accurate statement.


Seeing a physically threatening person and feeling physically threatened are two different things. Who's going all reductio ad absurdum now? :)



Perhaps you read that post differently than I did. Seems like mocking the individuals upset about the ruling by claiming they are only upset because they think Brown had a right to steal stuff is... gloatish. Perhaps a different word would be in order.

Of course it isn't acceptable. However, most of the unacceptable decisions we make in life don't end up with us being shot.

The race issue aside, one could argue there should be a pretty serious question whenever a police officer decides to shoot an unarmed man.

Very well said Joel!!

Hey now.... you don't know what sort of unacceptable decisions I've made in my life. :)

That being said, you're right, once people start wrestling over a lethal weapon, someone is going to end up using it. And the first shot he made from inside his car, which according to his own testimony startled Brown and gave him the room to exit the vehicle, was the inevitable outcome of that wrestling for the gun.

But then we have a complete change of venue. They're out of the car. The gun is secured in the officer's possession, they are no longer wrestling for it.

(and keep in mind, this is assuming we take the officer's testimony as accurate rather than other witnesses. We will absolutely never know what happened. Wilson likely doesn't actually know what happened.)

Snopes says likely false:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/blackvet.asp

More accurately:

Only Cbid can pull posts I think. Otherwise his post would be there, but changed.

Odd... must have been too many n-words in there. Tripped the alarms.

We can all agree that Brown was a fleeing felon: he assaulted and battered a police officer, Wilson. The attorney general/grand jury of MO has determined that Wilson did not commit a crime when he killed Brown. The law allows the police to use deadly force to stop/arrest a fleeing felon if they pose an imminent threat to the safety of others. It may be argued that Brown stopped fleeing, and thus deadly force was no longer necessary, but the state has claimed the facts indicate Brown was on his way back towards and, although unarmed, was threatening Wilson again.

So there will be a wrongful death civil suit. The question is now whether Wilson's use of deadly force was reasonable and within department policy under the circumstances? Was the deadly force policy reasonable and was the officer properly trained? This will be the focus of the civil suit.


Common thread in all officer involved shootings of unarmed men: the deceased suspect made a movement towards his waistband.

Holding their pants up.

So in just about every one of your posts you admit you don't really know $hit but then you proceed to make statements of fact regarding what you don't know about? Sounds like you shoul dbe in Ferguson protesting. Also,, witness testimony DID NOT support Brown. Maybe your right about pot... Read the transcripts...

Put on a badge, strap on a gun, don a bulletproof vest and pledge to your community that you are willing to put your life on the line to protect your community then get punched in the face a few times. After you have done all of the above, I'll entertain your comments. Until then sit on the sidelines and Monday morning quarterback. It's much easier.

Stoner's aren't usually aggressive, but we are seeing more and more aggressive people due to other compounds being abused. Try to affect an arrest on someone who has recently used synthetic marijuana. But, make sure you ate your Wheaties first.

Dude, I'm pretty sure I've said it before, being a cop is hard, sh$tty work. I wouldn't be able to do it, I don't have the patience to deal with people and not shoot them in the face. But part of what makes police work hard, sh$tty, and all around dangerous is that police officers are expected to deal with the worst people in society and somehow manage to not violate the law themselves.

We've all seen videos of cops putting up with a hell of a lot worse than this and not shooting the suspect afterwards.

That's not my point.
My point is there was no reason for Brown to "reach for his waistband", there was nothing in it. If there is nothing for him to pull out, he isn't going to reach for it (unless he's trying to commit suicide). Sure, Brown is a crazed unstoppable bear who's charging at Wilson to take him out... it's a little odd, but it isn't like any of the other witness testimonies were unbiased (every one I've seen either Brown is an angel or he's the absolute devil...no one seems to be willing to not exaggerate)... but to say he was reaching for his waistband when there is absolutely nothing to reach for rubs me the wrong way.

I'm sure it does. But, at the end of the day, this was a very fluid situation. It's really hard to say what ALL was going through Wilson's mind. One thing is for sure though; he wanted to go home at the end of his shift. At the end of the day, one person could have prevented all of this. He had many choices. Unfortunately for him, hitting Wilson in the face was a poor one.

We have all heard the news media portray things as a "routine stop." One thing any LEO knows is there is absolutely no such thing as a "routine stop."

After reading this I got a few words for you. You're a ******* idiot.

Ever been a cop? Understand what the "will to survive" is? People want protection from the police, they don't want to pay them a lot for it, and when a cop makes a life or death decision, he gets what Mr. Wilson got... second guessed by the retards who haven't got the balls or sense to protect themselves.

Make no mistake. Wilson felt that he was in a fight for his life. He was punched twice. Lets say the third punch knocked him unconscious... that fat thug would have been able to kill him with his own gun.

Officer Wilson survived his encounter with Michael Brown. Michael Brown did not survive because he chose to fight with a cop that was prepared to do whatever was necessary to go home at the end of shift. I applaud him.

This ...

I'm watching at these common taters cherry pick what happened in split seconds & it disgusts me.

Also what gets me is the so called police militarization build up over the last 5 years or so was because of "preppers" ... Which is actually people looking out for their families, but the moment the guard rolls out their tanks to confront a real threat to society, mobs of anarchists burning their cities, they cower & meet demands of how to deal with ravaging mobs.

Am I losing my mind, or does wrong means right ?

another dead punk that would keep on breaking the law. now if we could keep killing more of them ghetto scum.

true.... true....