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ZRX1200 Offline
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What say you?
Worth "it"?
Or is this an overreaching?

Part of the enslavmenslavement plan is indoctrination, drugging and taking ownership of the children. Welcome to Amerika.



New York City Requiring Flu Shots for Preschoolers

By SHARON OTTERMAN
JANUARY 2, 2015
New York City preschoolers will be heading back to class next week with memories of new holiday toys, vacation adventures, and, health officials hope, a flu shot.

In fact, because of a new city requirement, young children can, for the first time in the city’s history, be excluded from class if they have not received a flu vaccination.

The new rule, which applies to some 150,000 children in city-licensed day care centers and preschools, was quietly adopted by the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene in the waning days of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s administration. This is the first flu season during which it applies. New York City joins New Jersey and Connecticut in implementing a mandatory flu vaccine for children between 6 months and 5 years of age.

The city had been lagging behind the national average in preschool flu immunization rates, and officials are expecting that the new mandate will help. They have pointed to the success of Connecticut’s program, which raised vaccination rates among young children to 84 percent from 68 percent, and reduced hospitalizations from the flu by 12 percent, according to a report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The early signs in New York are positive, said Dr. Jane R. Zucker, the city’s assistant commissioner for immunization administration. By early December, vaccination rates among young children in the city had increased to nearly 67 percent from 62.5 percent the prior season. Vaccination rates also went up among other age groups, in part because of other education efforts, she said.

“It’s about protecting these young children from what can be a very serious illness and a potentially fatal illness,” Dr. Zucker said.

The rule calls for at least one flu vaccination — in shot or mist form — between July 1 and Dec. 31 of each year. It applies to a wide range of city-licensed child care programs, including mommy and me-style classes, part-time day care or preschool. It also applies to full-time preschool, which includes the 53,000 children in universal prekindergarten. Families may apply for religious or medical exemptions, as they can with other vaccines.

Beginning in 2016, the city will charge fines ranging from $200 to $2,000 to schools whose students do not follow the rule. (This year is a grace period during which the city will check vaccination records but not penalize schools.) The city, however, cannot force principals or school directors to exclude children who do not comply, because the flu vaccine is not mandated by the state. Instead, it will be up to each school to determine whether to exclude unvaccinated children, or alternatively, incur the fines.

In letters to parents, the city’s Department of Education warned that children attending public prekindergarten who are not vaccinated may be excluded from class, a department spokesman said. Among the Catholic schools of the Archdiocese of New York, however, a decision has been made to not exclude prekindergarteners for failure to comply this school year, said Fran Davies, a spokeswoman for the Catholic schools.

Yet while the city says it has done considerable outreach about the new rule, there has been some confusion among parents and schools.

At a meeting in early December between health officials and religious-school administrators, for example, some school leaders reported significant resistance from parents against the new regulation, in part because the parents said their children’s doctors were telling them the vaccine was unnecessary.

“There is going to have to be a learning curve,” said Deborah Zachai, director of education affairs at Agudath Israel of America, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish umbrella organization that was represented at the meeting. “I suspect that next year the doctors will be more aware of it, and the issue will be less prominent.”

In December, the city’s health board voted unanimously in favor of the flu vaccination rule, which does not apply to older children. There was minimal public discussion about the rule, which was overshadowed by other Bloomberg public health initiatives like the large soda ban. The public hearing before its passage was lightly attended, and many of the opponents who spoke were from organizations generally opposed to mandatory vaccination programs.

Among them was Kim Mack Rosenberg, the president of the New York metro chapter of the National Autism Association. She believes that vaccinations may contribute to autism, though no link has been proven.

“It is a requirement that is putting a burden on children and no one else,” she said this week. “Adults aren’t generally required to get the flu vaccine, and we are asking our most vulnerable children to get it.”

On rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. A report from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program states that there have been 1,633 claims of injury and 81 claims of death attributed to flu vaccines in all age groups since 2005, of which 924 have been compensated. But federal officials stress that such settlements are not an admission that the vaccine caused the injury.

There are also concerns about the vaccine’s efficacy. In an average year, the vaccine is about 60 percent effective. Because of evolving strains of the virus, it is expected to be less so this year, the C.D.C. said.

Addressing those concerns, Dr. Zucker said the health protections from the vaccination still far outweighed the risks, in part because vaccination can reduce the seriousness of illness, even if it does not offer perfect protection.

The decision to focus mandatory vaccination on young children was intentional, Dr. Zucker said, as that age group has the highest incidence of infection and high hospitalization rates. This flu season, 15 children have died so far in the United States from complications from the flu; 109 children died last season, a C.D.C. report said.

“Given the positive effects of immunization on influenza morbidity in children,” Dr. Zucker said, “this is the right thing to do.”
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We need a 50 words or less limit.
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Tell that to victor Mellow
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as with other vaccinations, parents may apply for religious or medical exemptions.

Flu aside, alarms always go off in my head when the Gov in any form or level can demand stuff, whether left or right leaning. Benevolent dictators are still dictators. But I do strongy disagree with those parents opposed to the shots/mists based on science. I have difficulty disagreeing with their opposition to government declarations though. So put me on the fencepost, I guess.

But I would not want my kids at a public school with Typhoid Mary sitting at the next desk.

hey, good news, measles is back.


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You can thank the Feds for not protecting our boarders.

We have ZERO screening.

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don't know where the flu is coming from, but aren't the areas of Michigan with the highest anti-innoculation rates of school children leading the nation in measles? Other than the Nat'l Hockey League?

Which is not to say I disagree with zero screening, but I guess we need to focus on the Canadian border as well!
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The are a high immigration state Frank.
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good point. I was surprised to learn (due to the industry in which I work) that there are thousands of Mexicans living and working in New York City. I had assumed that the reports of them were generic terms for Puerto Ricans, Dominicans etc but found out I was wrong.

Though I do belive in what medical science presents re: immunization, I have no argument at all with folks making decisions for their children based on their philosophical/political beliefs...hence the fence post. I'm sure you understand my concern for those in my camp...

I simply do not know what to do to protect others who believe as I do, but I do not look for people who think the way you do, or Bloody does, or anyone else, to be trampled by government. So I guess I come down on the side of feeling it is overreaching, and that may cost all of us more than x amount of lives. Greater good and all that stuff I suppose.
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frankj1 wrote:
good point. I was surprised to learn (due to the industry in which I work) that there are thousands of Mexicans living and working in New York City. I had assumed that the reports of them were generic terms for Puerto Ricans, Dominicans etc but found out I was wrong.

Though I do belive in what medical science presents re: immunization, I have no argument at all with folks making decisions for their children based on their philosophical/political beliefs...hence the fence post. I'm sure you understand my concern for those in my camp...

I simply do not know what to do to protect others who believe as I do, but I do not look for people who think the way you do, or Bloody does, or anyone else, to be trampled by government. So I guess I come down on the side of feeling it is overreaching, and that may cost all of us more than x amount of lives. Greater good and all that stuff I suppose.



I'll weigh in on this as the father of a daughter who is severely autistic. For years I felt vaccines had something to do with it. She missed one of her vaccine boosters because she was sick. The doctor gave her a double dose when the nest booster was due. He assured us this was normal and perfectly safe.

For years I believed the vaccine was responsible. But, as more information become available I'm not so sure. I still suspect, but stop short of saying they are.

But, the real problem I have is distrust. The regulatory agencies have become way to close to those they regulate. It's really hard for me to accept anything that the NIH and the CDC and for that matter the USDA and the SEC say.

But, I do know one thing, there are far higher percentage of people living with autism than ever before. Is it because too many many people are being diagnosed, which would create another set of problems, or could it be that the spectrum was too wide to begin with? Regardless, it's a problem that affects entirely way too many people and trade groups and government regulators are much to quick to dismiss any culpability. Until, someone is held accountable this situation will only get worse.



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ZRX1200 wrote:
You can thank the Feds for not protecting our boarders.

We have ZERO screening.



I'd agree with this.

I've been really sick since Christmas morning early. Abdominal spasms with fever and chills. Two trips to the ER, one to Family MD. Three CAT scans, one with contrast dye, one chest x-ray and an abdominal Ultrasound all found nothing. Same for urine and blood tests. I got a flu check too, it was negative. Right now Bentyal is giving some relief, I have an appointment with a Gastroenterologist later this month.
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Get well Gene, you know I like yanking your chain now and then.
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Dang Gene.

Best of luck with this.

Hang in there.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You can thank the Feds for not protecting our boarders.

We have ZERO screening.



Well, the Feds ARE protecting our Boarders with no screening.

What they are not protecting is the Border into the U.S. Boarding House of America.


:-)
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The city, however, cannot force principals or school directors to exclude children who do not comply, because the flu vaccine is not mandated by the state. Instead, it will be up to each school to determine whether to exclude unvaccinated children, or alternatively, incur the fines.

Don't understand the outrage here. When I was a kid we had to have a ton of vaccines before going to school (have the donut on the arm from the old small pox vaccine). We still have to provide a vaccination history for my son in high-school. My wife's work requires that she get a flu shot. The flu vaccine is not mandated by the State, only the city licensed schools. If you don't like the city's school policies, put your child in a private school outside of the city, pay the fine, or move.
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I'm always a bit confused how people are so willing to make the connection between border security and flu/measles/whatever current communicative disease is running rampant that they don't want to vaccinate against....

I mean, people do realize that we aren't in prison, right? I mean, you can leave the country if you want to go somewhere... and you can come back in to the country freely, as a US citizen...

This is clear to everyone I hope?

And our country welcomes tourists as well. We generally give tourists from other countries the same access those countries give our tourists... You like travelling to the EU with relative ease and a US passport, then tourists from the EU get to travel to our country with relative ease with a passport.

Even if not a single immigrant were allowed into the country, there would be an exchange of people sufficient to ensure that something as simple as the flu would be able to travel around the globe.

Don't pretend that outbreaks of infections in schools could be stopped by border security. Outbreaks are stopped by vaccination or absolute quarantine (this includes travel and movement of goods and services). As we are not about to quarantine our nation from the rest of the world, either vaccinate your kids or let there be outbreaks of these diseases in the schools. Either is cool with me.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You can thank the Feds for not protecting our boarders.

We have ZERO screening.





Yessir.....and the MAIN reason we are seeing the return and outbreak of socialy transmitted diseases we thought were a thing of the past. I guess dear leader figured if they STILL have them in Mexico and s. America.....we should too.
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^... funny
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Be nice Victor, I'll social you man.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Be nice Victor, I'll social you man.


I'm rarely accused of being nice. :)

I do find it interesting that some groups of people are blind to travel.
It's like they have blinders on to it or something... to them, all communicable disease must come from illegal immigrants.

Do they not travel themselves? I mean, when Joe six-pack shlubs his 2.5 children and fat wife to Europe for a vacation, they are going to come in contact with everyone else who's going to Europe... they're going to bring back bacteria and viruses not commonly found in their small town in the middle of america.

I don't know about you, but I look at my facebook feed and I see friends who spent their holidays in Iceland, Thailand, Mexico, and somewhere in Africa... another just complained about being stuck in the Dubai airport constantly....

To think that simply stopping illegal immigration would solve the problem people are unwilling to face by simply vaccinating their kids... well, that's just dumb.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Get well Gene, you know I like yanking your chain now and then.


jetblasted wrote:
Dang Gene.

Best of luck with this.

Hang in there.


Thanks guys, feeling much better today. Chain yanking is fun, besides if you cannot take it, you cannot dish it out.

Word to the wise, avoid getting sick over the holidays, and be thankful for those that do..
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