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Obama: Netanyahu offers no viable alternative to Iran talks
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AP | Associated Press
Published March 3, 2015 01:51PM EST


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (neh-ten-YAH'-hoo) didn't offer any "viable alternatives" to the nuclear negotiations with Iran during his speech to Congress.


Obama says he read a transcript of Netanyahu's speech Tuesday. He says "there was nothing new" in the speech.


Obama says Netanyahu made almost the same speech when he warned against the interim deal reached with Iran. Obama says that deal has resulted in a freeze and rolling back of Iran's nuclear program.


Obama says Netanyahu's alternative to the talks amounts to no deal at all. He says that would lead Iran to redouble efforts to build a nuclear bomb.


In his speech, Netanyahu said the deal would all but guarantee that Iran gets nuclear weapons.


Obama spoke in the Oval Office alongside Defense Secretary Ash Carter.

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I'll take Netanyahu's advice on the middle east first, please. Too bad he can't run for President. He's a quite blunt man.
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Agreed... and if Israel chooses to bomb the shizzle out of Iran, we should keep the heck out of it.
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It's funny how we are willing & able to put the screws to Russia & Venezula over the price of oil, but this action seems to be rooted in easing economic sanctions for Iran.

It is mind boggling that Obama wants to "negotiate" a nuclear deal with a country that's sole motto is Death to Israel & America.
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MACS wrote:
Agreed... and if Israel chooses to bomb the shizzle out of Iran, we should keep the heck out of it.


One step further. We should provide them with air support and patrol the whole way there and back.


(And it's almost Purim, the Jewish festival reminding us that when ancient Jews were in Persia the kings main man planned on killing jews for not kneeling before the main man- because they would only bow before God.)
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Haman = Hitler of Persia

Queen Esther!! yay.
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jetblasted wrote:

It is mind boggling that Obama wants to "negotiate" a nuclear deal with a country that's sole motto is Death to Israel & America.



It is not their sole motto......they also want death to the Sunnis.
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I wonder if Congress declared war on Iran tomorrow, Would President Obama then have to lead the war or could he just refuse. Constitution question...

Either way, our next Middle East war needs a war tax and the re-institution of the draft so the chickenhawks will have to contribute money and their children. (Shoulda done it for previous Iraqi wars as well. The USA homeland needs to be a little more bought-in than the last go-round)
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Nah, just sign up the Mexicans like Lincoln used Germans & Irish fresh off the boat.
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Obama's just trying to figure out where to draw the red line... and decide if it really needs to be red or not.. Mellow
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Maybe we could just fund ISIS again. ISIS and the Iranians hate each other.
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The Iraqis swear we're doing airdrops to ISIS
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jetblasted wrote:
The Iraqis swear we're doing airdrops to ISIS



We funded and trained ISIS in Jordan when they were called the "Free Syrian Army".
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HockeyDad wrote:
We funded and trained ISIS in Jordan when they were called the "Free Syrian Army".



Is that when David Lee Roth was with them..?? Huh
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I don't think they would allow Roth to join.
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cause he has 3 names..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
cause he has 3 names..?? Huh



Prolly....I think he's also Jewish.

I think he would get one strike for the three names and two strikes for being Jewish. I'm not entirely sure on how they would score it though.
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ya... he's no Tom Cruise.... Mellow
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I thought Tom Cruise was Jewish....
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Brewha wrote:
I thought Tom Cruise was Jewish....


not
jetblasted Offline
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But he is Coo-Coo ...
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There was plenty of "new" in that speech. For starters, it was "new" to see Bibi basically coronated by the US congress as the de-facto leader of the free world. That was new.

There hasn't been that much agreement and positive influence on the floor since Reagan last addressed congress, and the left was lapping it up too, so the AP can shove the spin on how they boycotted the speech. A dozen or so syccophants hid in the bathroom with BHOzo - big whoop, it was prolly interrupting their daily circle jerk anyway. Even Dirty Harry and Crazy Aunt Nan showed up - this was far more exclusive than an Oscar invite, folks. That was new.

We should be so lucky as to have a real leader like Netanyahu. One that's not afraid to call our ememies by their names, and declare that although help would be nice, they don't care if they get it or not - S will HTF either way. So essentially, Bibi told Bozo to shove it while standing on his lawn, but in a nice way. Both sides were jumping to standing O's through the whole speech on almost every point he made, which was certainly new.

The admin threatened him not to divulge any new, then chastised him for allegedly saying nothing new. Obama's weak stances and horrendously devisive agenda have stunk up the senate floor for 6 years and counting. So bad that even his own party smells it (though many pretend it smells fine in self preserverence). Bibi's presence, speech and common sensical explanations as to why a piss-poor plan to arm Muslim extremists with nukes was just plain stupid?...Well, it was like a ceiling fan, a box of stick-ups and fresh can of Glade up in there! Aaahhh, the smell of truth for a change in there. This may have been the first time that bringing 2 sides together by putting country before party has been demonstrated before Barry in his lifetime. And don't think for a minute he wasn't watching.

That was new, too :)
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Bibi is shaky in his own country let alone ours.
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teedubbya wrote:
Bibi is shaky in his own country let alone ours.


if true, that is a shame,,,

He is a REAL leader...


wheel,
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We did create ISIS. We funded and armed ISIS. Our State Dept and CIA screwed that pooch 6 ways to sunday.

I think Obummer is hoping Iran will take care of his mess.
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Kill the WABBIT !!!!!!!!!!!!


wheel,,
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Bibi is shaky in Israel because there's 42 political parties. Like here, only two matter.
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Obummer hopes Iran will take care of his mess because he's a liberal elitest, with liberal thinking can solve all of mans problems, thanks of course, to big central planning.

And taxes. Don't forget taxes.

And conservative oppression.

Don't forget conservative oppression.
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I just watched the full speech to congress.

It's plainly obvious that this man has balls of stainless steel & obummer is a moslem wimp.
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Netanyahu is going to get voted out of office in two weeks. Israelis don't even buy into his chutpah. He wouldn't get the standing ovations that he got from the Republican whack-a-moles from any other parliament on the planet including the Israeli Knesset.

He just turned Israel into a Democrat versus Republican issue which has never been the case in US history. That alone is reason for his removal but the reality is he is weak on pretty much every topic in Israel except being pro-security and pro-war.
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HockeyDad wrote:
Netanyahu is going to get voted out of office in two weeks. Israelis don't even buy into his chutpah. He wouldn't get the standing ovations that he got from the Republican whack-a-moles from any other parliament on the planet including the Israeli Knesset.

He just turned Israel into a Democrat versus Republican issue which has never been the case in US history. That alone is reason for his removal but the reality is he is weak on pretty much every topic in Israel except being pro-security and pro-war.

first reaction, I agree.

except it's "chutZpah".
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That word already had too many consonants.
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wheelrite wrote:
if true, that is a shame,,,

He is a REAL leader...


wheel,



so was hitler
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And I agree with HD. Turning Israel in to a Dem Vs. Rep issue is bad ju ju all the way around.
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And I agree with HD. Turning Israel in to a Dem Vs. Rep issue is bad ju ju all the way around.



I think Obama did that.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I think Obama did that.... Mellow



uh huh.

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I'm not really wanting to let whomever is currently in control in Israel dictate our foreign policy, although drafter say bibi's dictate good.
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but the reality is he is weak on pretty much every topic in Israel except being pro-security and pro-war.



I don't know so I'm asking... Which policies are more important when you're about to get nuked..?? Huh
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teedubbya wrote:
uh huh.




Obama hates Jew peoples..!! Mad
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm not really wanting to let whomever is currently in control in Israel dictate our foreign policy,



Because it's Israel..?? are they the first to ask us to do so..?? Huh
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Maybe we should just cut Israel loose if that's how they want to play. Bibi has no alternative solution so I assume he just wants us or others to attack. Let Israel attack whenever they like, don't step in to stop or slow them, stop supporting them or getting involved and see how long they can last. We are a friend he takes for granted and now beleives he can divide and conquer (he may be right). Let's be mailbox neighbors and wave a friendly hello instead of getting so involved in each others business.


I really hope Israel responds by getting rid of him. He is dangerous.
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well, like I said, I haven't been keeping up with Israeli politics much... and we can't find out what the deal with Iran is until after they pass it... but if there's a true threat and they nuke Israel it won't be pretty... Mellow
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Because it's Israel..?? are they the first to ask us to do so..?? Huh



Not because it is Israel. We have been very close for a long time, and I'd like to keep it that way. However this is over the top. Bibi has gotten a little big in his britches and is stepping where he does not belong. It is unfortunate we as Americans didn't close ranks and say as much. Regardless of politics and Presidents we are one and should act as such. We've gotten too comfortable ragging on the other side. Anyone supporting a foriegn government, friend or foe, over our President (whoever that is) needs to take a long look at themselves.

We can debate the path internally and disagree with this piss poor President all we want. But this was out of line and Bibi is playing a dangerous game that could haunt Israel.

I hope Israel as a country realizes that and responds by giving him the boot. They may not.
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so, Boehner shoulda just called for a beer summit instead.. Think

Listening to what Netanyahu had to say doesn't necessarily mean you're a follower... he plead his case and was asking for help.. he's not the first to do so.. I'm not asking him to run for president here or anything... I do think he deserved a little respect tho.. Pelosi turning her back to him was a little out of line.. hell, Obama has bowed to every other communist leader in the world, he can't make it to a speach..?? Mellow





Wondering how he was out of line... Think
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so, Boehner shoulda just called for a beer summit instead.. Think

Listening to what Netanyahu had to say doesn't necessarily mean you're a follower... he plead his case and was asking for help.. he's not the first to do so.. I'm not asking him to run for president here or anything... I do think he deserved a little respect tho.. Pelosi turning her back to him was a little out of line.. hell, Obama has bowed to every other communist leader in the world, he can't make it to a speach..?? Mellow





Wondering how he was out of line... Think



So you would suggest this was not unusual. Then all is good from your perspective. Not from mine.

The President bowing comment sums things up.
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Maybe I should look a little more into it if there is evil hiding somewhere.... from what I gather, he was asked to come speak and he did... he brought up concerns about being nuked and our relationship with the country that wants to nuke him.. I guess Kennedy shoulda stayed out of Cuba's bizzness too... Mellow
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Maybe I should look a little more into it if there is evil hiding somewhere.... from what I gather, he was asked to come speak and he did... he brought up concerns about being nuked and our relationship with the country that wants to nuke him.. I guess Kennedy shoulda stayed out of Cuba's bizzness too... Mellow



Not at all. You miss the point, but some of that is probably intentional.
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I'll listen to some MSNBC and get back with you.... Mellow
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I'll listen to some MSNBC and get back with you.... Mellow



LOL let me know how that works for you. I avoid them like the plague.

But you do make the point about getting so comfortable ragging on the other side that we forget we are one.
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I think I tried to tell you guys that in the Bush era... Mellow
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And to be clear we must listen to Israel and consider their postion, and there is no problem with them trying to persuade us. That does not mean they dictate what our position should be.

Internal devide and debate over foriegn policy is proper and even good. Our debates can get as nasty as we want as long as they are kept internal. But we do need to circle the wagons when it comes to foriegn governments, friends or foes. To not do so is a slippery slope and one I don't want us to go down. This played out wrong and some are giddy because it sticks the other party in the eye (both sides have these folks). Partisan creep is growing and showing up in places it normally isn't welcome. Bad ju ju.
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