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The veterans must all be taken care of....
ZRX1200 Offline
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By Chuck Ross

The director of the Philadelphia regional VA hospital was paid $288,000 in “relocation payments” to move the 140 miles from Washington D.C. to her new home last year.

Diana Rubens was tapped last June to take over the Philadelphia hospital, which is one of many currently being investigated over claims that it placed veterans on unauthorized wait-lists.

Rubens, who previously served as the D.C.-based deputy undersecretary for field operations, where she oversaw 57 regional hospitals and four area offices, was brought in to help fix the embattled Philadelphia facility.

A breakdown of Rubens’ “relocation payments” was not immediately available, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, but a VA spokesman said that there was nothing inappropriate with the spending.

Federal regulations allow for the reimbursement of relocation expenses including the “costs of house-hunting, moving, terminating leases, and a per-diem rate for meals and temporary housing for an employee and his or her family,” the spokesman said.

But that hefty repayment is nearly 160 percent of what Rubens earned in base pay all of last year, raising questions over what exactly that money could have gone towards.

Rubens was paid more than $181,000 in 2014, according to the website FedSmith.com, which maintains a database of federal employee compensation.

“The government shouldn’t be in the business of doling out hundreds of thousands in cash to extremely well-compensated executives just to move less than three hours down the road,” Florida U.S. Rep. Jeff Miller, the chairman of the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, told the Inquirer.

“For VA to pay such an outrageous amount in relocation expenses at a time when the department is continually telling Congress and taxpayers it needs more money raises questions about VA’s commitment to fiscal responsibility, transparency and true reform.”

Rubens has been mentioned before in articles criticizing other money she’s been paid by the VA. According to the Center for Investigative Reporting, in 2011, she received a bonus of more than $23,000 even though patient backlogs — one area Rubens was in charge of managing — increased by 300,000.

The Washington Examiner reported last year that Rubens received more than $97,000 in bonuses between 2007 and 2011 even though the average time to process veterans’ claims doubled to 325 days on her watch. The ratio of backlogged cases nearly doubled as well, from 37 percent in 2009 to 71 percent in 2013.
teedubbya Offline
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I dunno. In the grand scheme of things this is the least of my worries with the VA. They are messed up system wide (ie some individual hospitals etc are ok but the system needs work).

This is not that relevant or even important in the big picture unless there is a class warfare angle ie the rich get richer.

If she was required to move (she wasn't just buying a new house like the article suggests) then expenses would be appropriate. Compare her compensation in that regard to that of the CEO of any other health system of a like size and see how it compares. I don't know the answer there, but if you want to compete for talent it should be similar.

I could be pissy about SES bonuses. They recieved them while the peons got crumbs. That said if you compare bonuses for that level with similar positions it's not out of line. Performance is another issue but you really don't know her performance metrics neither does the press or politicians.

There are some that think all Feds should be paid less, recieve no bonuses, and be required to move around the country on that less pay with no relocation expenses. If you think the fed workforce sucks now implement those changes. Some are trying.
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teedubbya wrote:
I dunno. In the grand scheme of things this is the least of my worries with the VA. They are messed up system wide (ie some individual hospitals etc are ok but the system needs work).

This is not that relevant or even important in the big picture unless there is a class warfare angle ie the rich get richer.

If she was required to move (she wasn't just buying a new house like the article suggests) then expenses would be appropriate. Compare her compensation in that regard to that of the CEO of any other health system of a like size and see how it compares. I don't know the answer there, but if you want to compete for talent it should be similar.

I could be pissy about SES bonuses. They recieved them while the peons got crumbs. That said if you compare bonuses for that level with similar positions it's not out of line. Performance is another issue but you really don't know her performance metrics neither does the press or politicians.

There are some that think all Feds should be paid less, recieve no bonuses, and be required to move around the country on that less pay with no relocation expenses. If you think the fed workforce sucks now implement those changes. Some are trying.




Are we also then ASSUMING that those you'd like to compare them to in the private sector share the SAME problems in regard to OUTRAGEOUS wait times and falsified record keeping? I'm going to assume you are currently or have been a Federal employee....
teedubbya Offline
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Yes. Compare all the way around. If it's out of line fix it. If it's not then don't fix it

Easy peasy.
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted:
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And if she is being moved due to performance issues it should be zero.
teedubbya Offline
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It would be interesting to compare bonuses and relocation expenses for executives of governmental, not for profit, and for-profit hospital systems. It would also be very interesting to see how their bonuses compared based on things like wait time record retention issues etc.

I'm all for that I'm just not sure that exists I do know in the corporate world at times when companies are not doing very well executives are still getting very nice bonuses and at other times they are not in an ideal world they should not
teedubbya Offline
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And it shouldn't be a one to one relationship in that government employees get paid the same or more is private sector employees because there are trade-offs to working for either

There should be some sort of basis for relativity though other than the willy-nilly I don't like them so they shouldn't get this that or the other
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Private and public isn't close to the same, public have job security private dreams of. In return the public sector is usually less pay and iron clad retirement. Just my .02 £

teedubbya Offline
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I've seen studies both ways z.

You are right in the stability thing but some/many trade for that and take less pay.

SES is a great example. Look at their top pay cap and compare that to private sector for similar positions. Then consider they are not GS employees and serve at the pleasure of the administrator.

I'm not drawing any conclusions I'm just saying actually look at things and then draw your own conclusions
teedubbya Offline
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By the way I miss read your original post yes there is a trade-off for security in less pay.
teedubbya Offline
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I wasn't clear and can't edit after re-reading your latest post Z I agree with that for the most part. In the rarefied air of the senior executive service it is questionable however compared to General service workers
teedubbya Offline
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Also as for retirement that is true for some that are still on the old system and are not participating in social security

For those participating in the new system they participate in social security like everyone else but they have a 401(k) type option like most big corporations and there is a pension that is way less than Social Security for the most part. It's not bad but it isn't what it used to be the old system was cherry
ZRX1200 Offline
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Of course I'm right.....jesus.
teedubbya Offline
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Lol.

I'm in a distracting environment on a cell phone and recognize I'm botching things up but don't have time/energy to fix.

I need a drink but can't leave.
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This drives me nuts. I was rated at 30% disability, but I have never set foot in a VA hospital since I retired.

I was rated for my knees and both shoulders, one of which I have since had surgery on, and the other has had cortisone shots.

I receive a check each month for $455 for that 30% rating... which they promptly remove from my retirement check because of concurrent receipt. You see... I must have a rating of 50% or higher in order to receive both. Something NO OTHER government entity has to deal with, except the military.

http://tinyurl.com/q5furmp

Soooo... what a lot of retirees are doing is going back to the VA and complaining about anything and everything until they are rated 50% or more... so they can get both (as they fu**ing deserve to). So if the VA would just pay us both, no matter where we are rated, they'd probably save a lot of time and money.
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MACS wrote:
This drives me nuts. I was rated at 30% disability, but I have never set foot in a VA hospital since I retired.

I was rated for my knees and both shoulders, one of which I have since had surgery on, and the other has had cortisone shots.

I receive a check each month for $455 for that 30% rating... which they promptly remove from my retirement check because of concurrent receipt. You see... I must have a rating of 50% or higher in order to receive both. Something NO OTHER government entity has to deal with, except the military.

http://tinyurl.com/q5furmp

Soooo... what a lot of retirees are doing is going back to the VA and complaining about anything and everything until they are rated 50% or more... so they can get both (as they fu**ing deserve to). So if the VA would just pay us both, no matter where we are rated, they'd probably save a lot of time and money.


Good God man! That is total bullsh|t on the government's part. Advocates of that policy should have one arm, one eye and one ear removed, let them walk around on that 'extra' leg and call it right.
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We try darn hard to take care of the veterans. We find them as many wars in the desert as we possibly can find.
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On all levels the way our veterans are treated is shameful IMHO.
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As a veteran myself and a family record of having at least 1 family member serve each generation back to the civil war. I carried 2 caskets of close friends from a friendly fire death. Came close myself once. Can not listen to taps I have to leave. Its like my brother or sister is dying.
It is appalling the way any veteran is treated by congress and potus. But, we keep reelecting them.Not saying much about the senate I haven't been following. But the interesting thing is if you ask any veteran if they would serve again you don't hear many no's.
America may have a lot wrong with it. But, I never want to live anywhere else.
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blue collar man wrote:
As a veteran myself and a family record of having at least 1 family member serve each generation back to the civil war. I carried 2 caskets of close friends from a friendly fire death. Came close myself once. Can not listen to taps I have to leave. Its like my brother or sister is dying.
It is appalling the way any veteran is treated by congress and potus. But, we keep reelecting them.Not saying much about the senate I haven't been following. But the interesting thing is if you ask any veteran if they would serve again you don't hear many no's.
America may have a lot wrong with it. But, I never want to live anywhere else.


Thank you, and your family, for your service.
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Gene363 wrote:
Thank you, and your family, for your service.

slow down Gene...ask him which side of the Civil War...










j/k Blue guy
that's how we roll.


but da North, right?
blue collar man Offline
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Sorry guys I hate to say it. They had a plantation and fought for the south. My grandfather moved us north along with his brothers .
Thank you very much fellas. Its all true
frankj1 Offline
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I was just kidding with ya.

Frank
teedubbya Offline
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Louie's veterinarian is cool and stuff. He can take care of himself.
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Is he an octogenarian?
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted:
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No he only has two arms.
blue collar man Offline
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NP frank
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blue collar man wrote:
NP frank

stick around, you'll figure it out.
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