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Your brother created ISIS!
fiddler898 Offline
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Please discuss, with accustomed CBid humility & constraint:

RENO, Nev. — On Wednesday afternoon, just as she sat down to watch TV and eat a corn dog, Ivy Ziedrich’s phone rang. It was her sister in Montana.

“I am so proud of you,” her sister said, “for yelling at a politician.”

It was the first inkling that Ms. Ziedrich, a 19-year-old college student with a passion for the debate team and the finer points of Middle Eastern policy, had gone viral.

Her confrontation with Jeb Bush, in which she told the former Florida governor a few hours earlier, “Your brother created ISIS,” was suddenly everywhere online, casting an unwelcome hue on President George W. Bush’s legacy from the war in Iraq.

“My sister started freaking out,” Ms. Ziedrich recalled.

In an interview, Ms. Ziedrich described a dizzying 24 hours of social media frenzy, her upbringing in a conservative Republican family, and the circumstances that prompted her to approach Jeb Bush, who was in Reno for a town hall-style meeting on Wednesday.

She had shown up with a few college friends uncertain of whether she wanted to ask anything at all. But as Mr. Bush spoke about the rise of the Islamic State, and put blame on President Obama for removing troops from Iraq, Ms. Ziedrich found herself becoming furious. ISIS, she believed, was the product of George W. Bush’s bungled war in Iraq.

“A Bush was trying to blame ISIS on Obama’s foreign policy — it was hilarious,” said Ms. Ziedrich, who attends the University of Nevada. “It was like somebody crashing their car and blaming the passenger.”

She acknowledged she was deeply nervous about walking up to him after the meeting and asking her question. “I get nervous any time I talk to an authority figure — he wants to be president of the United States,” she said.

Her question and his reply seemed to distill deep, lingering anger of the war in Iraq and encapsulate Mr. Bush’s political challenges as the brother of George W. Bush. Much online commentary has focused on her somewhat aggressive tone, a fact that Ms. Ziedrich finds a bit baffling.

“I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful,” she said. In fact, she said she is grateful that Mr. Bush responded, even if it did not exactly satisfy her.

Ms. Ziedrich, a high school debater who specialized in the parliamentary style and still helps coach her former team, said that all the attention she is garnering from those on the right (who thought she was rude) and those on the left (who want to canonize her) is confounding given her own political journey. Growing up in Northern California, she considered herself a conservative like her mother and father, who is a loyal Fox News viewer.

Then she identified as a libertarian and, ultimately, as Democratic, influenced by her time spent debating and by books like Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States.”

Speaking from her apartment, Ms. Ziedrich says she is busy juggling calls from old friends and media outlets.

“I am still trying to process all of this,” she said.

So far, her mother has expressed approval of the confrontation. But she hasn’t yet spoken with her father. “I am hoping he will be proud of me,” she said.
Burner02 Offline
#2 Posted:
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I'm guessing O'Blamers lack of/no foreign policy had nothing to do with it.
tonygraz Offline
#3 Posted:
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That's it, blame everything on the black guy.
banderl Offline
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Damn that Kenyan born Muslim commie.
frankj1 Offline
#5 Posted:
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is this the new Obummer 500?
Will former President Cheney or his bud Bush be mentioned at all?
MACS Offline
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To say that a president "created" an extremist, militant, fanatic, religious group is ridiculous.

EITHER president. The retarded jihadists created their own retarded group. Maybe it was because of the Iraqi invasion, maybe it was because of foreign policy... but these retards have been doing what they do for centuries.

Apologies to folks with intellectual disabilities. No offense intended.
Burner02 Offline
#7 Posted:
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We needed a red line in the sand!

Gonz
tonygraz Offline
#8 Posted:
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Sadaam had them under control or dead, and we ended that. Harsh treatment is the only way to control them.
frankj1 Offline
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^
agree, and not an unusual historical example of US use of a dictator's control, whether "friend" or foe.

And the fly zones going back to Clinton were working well.

In fairness, easy to mistake Sadaam for Bin Laden...j/k, calm down mofo's.
MACS Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
^
agree, and not an unusual historical example of US use of a dictator's control, whether "friend" or foe.

And the fly zones going back to Clinton were working well.

In fairness, easy to mistake Sadaam for Bin Laden...j/k, calm down mofo's.


They're both dead... that's a plus.
frankj1 Offline
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true!
ZRX1200 Offline
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They were funded and armed by us. Who the **** do you think was running the CIA's ops in Syria?
cacman Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Sadaam had them under control or dead, and we ended that. Harsh treatment is the only way to control them.

The first step in dealing with Islamic extremists is recognizing them as Islamic extremists. Our Muslim president has failed to do that.
Buckwheat Offline
#14 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
To say that a president "created" an extremist, militant, fanatic, religious group is ridiculous.

EITHER president. The retarded jihadists created their own retarded group. Maybe it was because of the Iraqi invasion, maybe it was because of foreign policy... but these retards have been doing what they do for centuries.

Apologies to folks with intellectual disabilities. No offense intended.


You took the words out of my mouth. Applause

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties in the middle east - we did.

But you can't hold a president responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole system? And if the whole system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our institutions in general? I put it to you, - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!" fog ram27bat
Speyside Offline
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So is Bush or Obama on secret double probation?
Burner02 Offline
#16 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
They were funded and armed by us. Who the **** do you think was running the CIA's ops in Syria?




We did something in Syria?
Buckwheat Offline
#17 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
So is Bush or Obama on secret double probation?


We are. Sarcasm
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