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DrafterX Offline
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Court upholds ObamaCare subsidies
AP BREAKING NEWS: IN A MAJOR WIN for the Obama administration, the Supreme Court has upheld ObamaCare subsidies in states that did not set up their own health care exchanges.

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jackconrad Offline
#2 Posted:
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They should have CBID Subsidies !Herfing
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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what's the opposite of subsidies..?? Think



That's what we can expect soon... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted:
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Higher taxes.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted:
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
cacman Offline
#6 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Court upholds ObamaCare subsidies
AP BREAKING NEWS: IN A MAJOR WIN for the Obama administration, the Supreme Court has upheld ObamaCare subsidies in states that did not set up their own health care exchanges.

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Like the Supreme Court really had a choice?!?! If there is no guberment subsidies, the whole thing collapses. That is how effective (or ineffective) the system is. I refuse to purchase anything just because the guberment says I have to!

I'm still waiting for the big "O" to pas a law saying we all have to buy a Chevy. horse

I'm still waiting for my free Obamaphone.
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted:
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ya, still no free Obama-phone for X.. Sad
elRopo Offline
#8 Posted:
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"Oh Lord wont'cha buy me a Mercedes Benz"
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted:
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I’m still waiting for my Reagan years trickle down….
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted:
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you were prolly standing in the wrong place... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#11 Posted:
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Story of my life.....
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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Scalia leads scathing dissent on ObamaCare ruling, dubs law 'SCOTUScare'
Published June 25, 2015

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and his conservative colleagues may have been overruled in Thursday's decision upholding ObamaCare subsidies, but they didn't go down without a fight.

The firebrand conservative justice delivered one of the most scathing and linguistically creative dissents in recent memory. In a 21-page rebuttal, Scalia and two other justices tore into the Affordable Care Act and the court's handling of it over the years -- effectively accusing their colleagues of twisting the law for the sake of preserving President Obama's signature policy.

“Today’s interpretation is not merely unnatural; it is unheard of,” Scalia wrote, joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

The case itself centered on language in the original law that technically limited subsidies to people buying insurance in exchanges set up by the states. Opponents said this made subsidies through the federal exchange invalid.

“You would think the answer would be obvious -- so obvious there would hardly be a need for the Supreme Court to hear a case about it,” Scalia wrote.

The majority, though, upheld subsidies everywhere, arguing that is what Congress intended.

Scalia in his dissent scolded his colleagues' handling of Affordable Care Act challenges, writing, “We should just start calling this law SCOTUScare,” referring to the several times the high court has ruled on controversial parts of ObamaCare.

At one point, he panned the majority's reasoning as "This is applesauce man... pure applesauce."

Scalia essentially made two major points: he accused the court of playing favorites by letting politics get in the way, and claimed the majority’s opinion contained “somersaults of statutory interpretation.”

The conservative justice attacked the logic behind the ruling as “interpretive jiggery-pokery” and said the result shows "words no longer have meaning."

He wrote: “The Court forgets that ours is a government of laws and not of men. That means we are governed by the terms of our laws, not by the unenacted will of our lawmakers.”

Drilling down to the language of the case itself, he wrote: “The court holds that when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act says ‘Exchange established by the State’ it means ‘Exchange established by the State or the Federal Government,’ That is of course quite absurd, and the court’s 21 pages of explanation make it no less so.”

He noted the other justices have stepped in twice now to block what he considered worthy challenges to the law, including the 2012 case challenging the individual mandate. Scalia suggested the court is now in a position of protecting the law, writing: "Under all the usual rules of interpretation, in short, the Government should lose this case. But normal rules of interpretation seem always to yield to the overriding principle of the present Court: The Affordable Care Act must be saved."

The Thursday decision was 6-3.

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teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted:
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This was a correct and no brainer decision and easy to predict. What a waste of money all the attacks have been.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted:
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No brainer what "States" means......apparently not.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
This was a correct and no brainer decision and easy to predict. What a waste of money all the attacks have been.



That's applesauce man... pure applesauce...!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted:
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A conservative court decided it and it is consistent. It was actually wasted time and money.
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Conservative?
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted:
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It is interesting how many ar so pro law suit when it suits them. Don't like the law.... kill it in congress rather than all these frivolous suits that are bound to fail from the start.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted:
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it was interpretive jiggery-pokery..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted:
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It is a conservative court by most folks account. Absolutely.
victor809 Offline
#21 Posted:
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Yep....
It's funny because this is apparently a liberal court (majority selected by Republicans) which was clearly swayed by FREE stuff (despite the fact they are not likely to ever need to use obamacare) or are trying to buy people's vvotes (despite being appointed for life)....

Between trying to take down obamacare and complaining about Obama's vacations I don't think the Republican congress has done a damn thing.
Bitter Klinger Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
It is a conservative court by most folks account. Absolutely.


Most folks living in your house? Probably.

Most folks capable of reading the dissention? Hardly.

I'm not surprised though. Those azzholes owned it already - screw Barry, they didn't wanna kill their OWN signature piece of legislation.
teedubbya Offline
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
Most folks living in your house? Probably.

Most folks capable of reading the dissention? Hardly.

I'm not surprised though. Those azzholes owned it already - screw Barry, they didn't wanna kill their OWN signature piece of legislation.



No actually most people that follow the court without your effed up bias.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#24 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Yep....
It's funny because this is apparently a liberal court (majority selected by Republicans) which was clearly swayed by FREE stuff (despite the fact they are not likely to ever need to use obamacare) or are trying to buy people's vvotes (despite being appointed for life)....

Between trying to take down obamacare and complaining about Obama's vacations I don't think the Republican congress has done a damn thing.


Oh, they're far bigger slouches than that - they also ran off the Tea Party, which was their own last chance to regain the executive, along with most of the people who might have voted for any of them in '16.

So there's that...
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted:
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LOL I love reading your stuff.
Bitter Klinger Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
No actually most people that follow the court without your effed up bias.



Their decisions speak for themselves.

You need some new glasses buddy.
victor809 Offline
#27 Posted:
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Yeah tw... Because the decision didn't go the way he wanted it was clearly a liberal decision.

Klinger is the standard to which all conservative decisions must be held.
banderl Offline
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
Their decisions speak for themselves.

You need some new glasses buddy.



You're right, CROS stole his glasses.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#29 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Yeah tw... Because the decision didn't go the way he wanted it was clearly a liberal decision.

Klinger is the standard to which all conservative decisions must be held.


The decision went exactly the way I expected it to. Roberts is a lying turncoat and the 2 lesbians that should have recused themselves were'nt going to.

Its been a kangaroo court for some time, so who would expect anything less at this point?
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted:
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they got jiggy with it..!! Mad
Bitter Klinger Offline
#31 Posted:
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
The decision went exactly the way I expected it to. Roberts is a lying turncoat and the 2 lesbians that should have recused themselves were'nt going to.

Its been a kangaroo court for some time, so who would expect anything less at this point?


Recused themselves from the court permanently and before todays decisions, to be clear.

They lied and obfuscated over motion dates over recusal over a month ago. They should both be impeached.

...before you go all " what does being lesbians have to do with the ACA crap".
ZRX1200 Offline
#32 Posted:
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Roberts first opinion on ACA was legal contortion.

Once again he interpreted what wasn't there. And he's said that the courts job isn't to upset what lawmakers enact as they're voted into office.
Brewha Offline
#33 Posted:
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It was a great decision. A right and no brainer decision.

And as a unwarranted bonus, the Republican, who never had plan of any kind, don't have to come up with one now.

And yet another bonus, the Redumblican candidates are already promising to replace Obamacare- with nothing!
High theater indeed!
VaMtnMan Offline
#34 Posted:
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Next up, a nice large schip tax on cigars to help pay for ObamaCare. I think $5-10 per cigar with a sliding scale for those who earn more, would be great. Maybe double that for California to pay for all the free health care for our neighbors to the south. That would be a nice win - win for me. I stocked up on cigars the last couple of years, so I don't need to buy any for years to come, and I also will get free health care with a little bit of fancy accounting.

Niceeeeee. who is with me? I love the liberal way of spending other peoples money.
drywalldog Offline
#35 Posted:
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I for one love Judge Roberts. And you won the House and the Senate. To bad you can't do anything with those wins.
drywalldog Offline
#36 Posted:
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We are going to have to look into a cigar hoarders tax. Maybe a tax on resale as well.
VaMtnMan Offline
#37 Posted:
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Yea, who needs a win, when we can have a tyrannical president. All you people who work, have good jobs and beautiful daughters, you need to pay, Life has been too good for you. It's time for the deadbeats, the people who hate their life to have the upper hand. Right Drywalldog, no reason to work. Let the free loaders of the world unite. It's time to let the homeless kick dogs and puppies.

By the way, keep your ammo dry and stock up.
jetblasted Offline
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^ reminds me of actually *why* people in the South fly the old flag(s). ^
VaMtnMan Offline
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I think the only flag we will be flying, is a white flag. Confederate flag bothers some people, the American flag others, the rainbow **** still others. We are giving nukes to Iran and Obama is bowing and wiping China and North Korea's butt for them.

I wonder how good Their health care is?

Stock up now on Cigars and Ammo boys. lol


**** = Flag Damn that auto correct
teedubbya Offline
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It all comes down to congresses intent. It was pretty clear. We may not like it but the intent was never really in question. It was a desperate attempt by those that disagree with the intent. And it was frivolous.

TMCTLT Offline
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The ONLY way Roberts could continue to give OBummercare his backing was to Completely Forget what Barry's little architect of the SHAM had said. They're absolutely counting on the ignorance of the American People to make this ACT work......and Lord knows the American People have grown ignorant and complacent.
TMCTLT Offline
#42 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
It all comes down to congresses intent. It was pretty clear. We may not like it but the intent was never really in question. It was a desperate attempt by those that disagree with the intent. And it was frivolous.




You mean their intent to never leave office???
teedubbya Offline
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I'm pretty sure Roberts isn't pro obamacare he was just being consistent. When a judge determines a matter of law not to your liking it doesn't necessisarily mean they like that law. Despite the claims in here that he had to do some gyrations this was predictable based on legal precedent. His other ruling on the matter was as well, despite what the fringe blogosphere says.

Unfortunately you want a justice that doesn't do that, one that WILL do gyrations to meet your political agenda. There are a couple (or more) that will do that on both sides of the aisle. The court should not be predictable based on politics.

Folks that don't like the law have been harping about it being unconstitutional since day one. That's been wishful thinking not reality. The fact the court doesn't back you up shows you the reality not the contortions. To most the contortions have been obvious for some time.

Kill the law in congress if you don't like it. The end arounds are growing old, are expensive, don't work, and are doing nothing but feeding the sheep. This comming from someone who doesn't like much of the law either and wished we had a functional congress that could fix it or come up with something better.

It's not the supremes fault. It's both houses and both parties in congress. It's also the extreme take no prisoners partisan politics captures so beautifully in here much of the time.

Merica

Peace and love peace and love

Out.
Brewha Offline
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VaMtnMan wrote:
...I love the liberal way of spending other peoples money.

Well at least we agree that the smart people should handle the finances.....
VaMtnMan Offline
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I think the ruling was great. Now all of the state exchanges can go away and everything will be run under the federal exchanges. We all know how great the federal government is at spending money, always getting the most bang for our buck.
VaMtnMan Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Well at least we agree that the smart people should handle the finances.....






I couldn't agree with you more. I think obamo has done a great job spending the taxpayer money. Our deficit is cut in half, every person who wants to work has a job, and the economy is booming. I just wish he would pass some more taxes, so that we could pay for even more free stuff. I personally think that all pay above $60,000 should be taxed at 100% so the government can redistribute wealth. I mean if you make more then $60,000 it isn't fair, and you didn't really earn it. Our roads you drive on and our schools that educate you helped you a lot. Stop being a free loader people, give back. Think



Stock up on ammo and cigars Herfing
VaMtnMan Offline
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Oh, and while we are talking about free stuff, I think the minimum wage should be raised to $28.85 per hr. That way if you work full time, or 2,080 hrs a year, you will make the maximum amount of $60,000 a yr, and we all can be equal. Isn't that how everyone is in China and North Korea.

Imagine if as a teenager, working at McDonald's, you are taking home the same as a person who has a masters degree. You will definitely be making more then people in the military, but people who joined the military don't really count. They were too stupid to realize that you could make more money flipping hamburgers then you could risking your life for our country. I mean who really wants a job where you could be away from your family for months at a time. Flipping hamburgers, you can hang out with your bro's on the block every night.
MACS Offline
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^And smoke weed... no wizz quizzes!!
VaMtnMan Offline
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Oh, of course. I just wonder when they are going to legalize cocaine. That way we all can feel really good. I mean if it is good enough for Barry, it should be good enough for all of us.
banderl Offline
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Damn that weed smoking Kenyan born muslim confederate flag hatin commie basturd.
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