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What a Troubling Time in America
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Southern Purge Targets Military Bases, “Gone With the Wind”

By Todd Starnes

As I predicted earlier this week – the cultural purging of the South is well under way. In the past few days, we’ve seen the cultural revolutionaries demand the eradication of streets, parks, schools and buildings named after Confederate war heroes.

We’ve also seen corporate America engage in the cultural cleansing – banning all Confederate products from places like Wal-Mart, Amazon, and Sears.

But the purging is far from over.

Now, the revolutionaries are now targeting US military bases named after Confederate war heroes.

A reader sent me a screenshot of an item that was posted by officials at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. bragg

“Okay, evidently there are groups requesting the Army change the names of its installations that are named after soldiers that ended up serving in the Confederate Army,” the statement read. “We’re interested in what you would rename Fort Bragg.”

The Fort was named after Major Braxton Bragg, a North Carolina native and general in the Confederate Army.

Fort Bragg said they would pick three choices and send them to the Pentagon.

“Have fun and good luck,” they wrote.

Well, it turns out most folks around Fort Bragg were not interested in having fun. The outrage over possibly renaming the Fort was so massive, they removed the Facebook message.

“What the hell is wrong with you people,” one reader wrote. “Did you know you have soldiers, civilian workers and their families who are from the South, some of whom are very proud of their southern heritage?”

“Shame on you, Fort Bragg PC police,” another wrote.

Stars & Stripes reports there are at least 10 installations named after Confederate generals — and according to their online poll an overwhelming majority don’t want the names changed.

And neither does the Army.

Stars & Stripes reports the Army will not rename any of their bases.

“Every Army installation is named for a soldier who holds a place in our military history,” Army spokesman Brig. Gen. Malcolm Frost said in a statement. “Accordingly, these historic names represent individuals, not causes or ideologies. It should be noted that the naming occurred in the spirit of reconciliation, not division.”

Meanwhile, Lou Lumenick, the film critic for the New York Post, wants to banish “Gone With the Wind.”

“The more subtle racism of ‘Gone with the Wind’ is in some ways more insidious, going to great lengths to enshrine the myth that the Civil War wasn’t fought over slavery – an institution the film unabashedly romanticizes,” he wrote.

Lumenick, a northerner, called for the beloved film to be stuffed in a museum “where this much-loved, but undeniably racist, artifact really belongs.”

I wonder how Lou feels about “Blazing Saddles” and “Forrest Gump”?

In recent days, monuments and memorials have been destroyed or desecrated, works of art threatened with censorship and those who dare affirm Southern heritage are labeled racists, or worse.

What a troubling time in America.

I am a native son of Tennessee. My forefathers fought in the Civil War. One of my great, great, great grandfathers was killed at Reams Station, Virginia. Another was killed defending Richmond. Many others fought and died for the Confederacy. My people did not own slaves. They were farmers.

I am proud to call myself American by birth, but Southern by the Grace of God. I am proud of my heritage.

And if you’ve got a problem with that – well — in the words of Rhett Butler — frankly my dear…
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I did a little research on my Gr. Gr. Grandfather, Asbury Wiley Jackson tonight. I had long known he & 136 of his fellow soldiers died of dysentery in Knoxville in 1862, but I found out a lot more about his regiment.

He originally left his farm & walked 70 miles from Muscadine, AL to (now) Kennesaw, GA to be a part of the all volunteer GA 40th Regiment. He was in Company A, from Paulding County, Ga, just a few miles from here, where the Jackson's had originally settled in GA.

Of the 7,000 original soldiers, only 400 remained at the end of the war.

They went on to fight at Vicksburg, Chickamauga, and the Atlanta campaign, before surrendering to Sherman in Durham, ending the war.

In all, they had marched over 5,000 miles ...
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jetblasted wrote:

In all, they had marched over 5,000 miles ...


sure am glad man invented the automobile
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Like it or not the civil war and slavery is part of American History. We all need to remember what Lincoln said:

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."

Jet they don't make them like your GG Grandfather any more. 5000 miles in a wool uniform in southern heat and humidity. fog
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The only difference between "Southern Heritage" and "German Heritage" is the Germans have the decency to be ashamed of the Holocaust.
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BW ... Only 400 of the original 7,000 made the 5,000 mile hike.

Mine left Muscadine, AL for Kennesaw, GA, then up to Knoxville, TN, then up to the TN/KY border for a brief skirmish, then back down to Knoxville where he and 136 others died of dysentery.

The rest of the GA 40th did see some major action, though . . .
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JadeRose wrote:
The only difference between "Southern Heritage" and "German Heritage" is the Germans have the decency to be ashamed of the Holocaust.


Another master-baiter.
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I wonder if the offended government workers in the Sip will be upset when they have to work on Confederate Memorial Day.

If they remove the Flag, they should also lose a Holiday!!!
teedubbya Offline
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Well at least they still have himmler day.
Mattie B Offline
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Save this thread.....Mattie B called it.


The will be an uprising of the crazies.

I was having lunch yesterday and could overhear some of the conversations.

Between the Flag and the Gay marriage, some rednecks are losing their minds!!!!!
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Mattie B wrote:
Save this thread.....Mattie B called it.


The will be an uprising of the crazies.

I was having lunch yesterday and could overhear some of the conversations.

Between the Flag and the Gay marriage, some rednecks are losing their minds!!!!!


Noted and seconded.

Exactly what the control freaks want, another excuse to reduce freedom.
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Being born in Yankee land, the whole rebel thing never meant much to me.

And I still don't get it. These who fought in the war are all long gone. The reasons for the war long past.
Now I'm sure just like any war both sides had their reasons and God was on their side. But it is over and a sad chapter closed. Now I think reminders of our Heritage and history are right and fine things. But a state flying a rebel flag? What is the message? "The north kicked my granddad's a$$ and we're never gonna let it go"? These peeps need to move along. It's the 21st century - that was the 19th.

It's like when I see some punk wearing a swastika. I always ask myself if he want to be known as a loser. Or just stupid. Because if he really wants to be a Nazi, he should be smart enough not to advertise it.

Ok, here is how it works. If You lose a war you take down your flag, let the U.S. rebuild you, and then sell us cars.
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One man's trouble is another person's celebration...


...and the Japanese cars I've owned have been better than the American ones...
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Mattie B wrote:
I wonder if the offended government workers in the Sip will be upset when they have to work on Confederate Memorial Day.

If they remove the Flag, they should also lose a Holiday!!!


Is that a real thing? do you guys also have a day where you celebrate the loser of the most recent super bowl?
Mattie B Offline
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Yes, it's a very real holiday.

I'm not sure which, but several Southern States observe it as a State holiday.
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I'm guessing the same states that don't recognize MLK day...
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It is not the history of the civil war that should be at risk. The problem with the rebel flag began in the early 60's when it began being used by anti-segregationists.
Mattie B Offline
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Well Opel you would guess wrong.

MS observes MLK day. Which is ironically also Robert E. Lee Day

That's Bobby Lee according to Fletch.
teedubbya Offline
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Wasn't AZ the last hold out on mlk until the nfl money trumped their integrity?
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This whole thing isn't about any "one" issue ... Certainly it was flown in the 50's-60's to protest civil rights, and it has long flown as a memorial to the fallen. But what many don't understand why it was celebrated on shows like the Dukes of Hazzard, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. is the spirit of rebellion, or thumbing your nose at authority, big government, etcetera. Which, was an original intent of the war.

Yes, slavery was a "part" of the reasons, but you can go back to the 1820's to find root causes of the war. Which was the northern states dictating to the southern states demanding tariffs & trade rules, etc. Southern States believed in the U.S. constitution that all States were separate & individual States, not the all inclusive government that the northern states were visioning. So with 1776 so fresh in their minds, they rightly felt their break from an all powerful federal government. Now these are just bullet points on a very deep & complicated subject that is fascinating still to this day to study.

But getting back to why Bubba has the old 1956 GA State flag flying in his yard, it isn't about slavery, but a spirit of independence. As in, don't you tell me what to do. As in, leave me alone to live free. As in, when Victor & thousands others that talk **** about the South, it's Bubba's way of giving them the finger. Like the great Lewis Grizzard once said. "Y'all Yankees want to come down here? Great !! Come on down. Buy our land. Marry our women. That's fine, but we only ask one thing. We Don't Want to Know How you Used to do it in Cleveland. Because We Don't Care!!"

And by the way, you can drive all over this State and find many Giant, and I do mean Huge, Confederate Flags flying.
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jetblasted wrote:
This whole thing isn't about any "one" issue ... Certainly it was flown in the 50's-60's to protest civil rights, and it has long flown as a memorial to the fallen. But what many don't understand why it was celebrated on shows like the Dukes of Hazzard, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. is the spirit of rebellion, or thumbing your nose at authority, big government, etcetera. Which, was an original intent of the war.

Yes, slavery was a "part" of the reasons, but you can go back to the 1820's to find root causes of the war. Which was the northern states dictating to the southern states demanding tariffs & trade rules, etc. Southern States believed in the U.S. constitution that all States were separate & individual States, not the all inclusive government that the northern states were visioning. So with 1776 so fresh in their minds, they rightly felt their break from an all powerful federal government. Now these are just bullet points on a very deep & complicated subject that is fascinating still to this day to study.

But getting back to why Bubba has the old 1956 GA State flag flying in his yard, it isn't about slavery, but a spirit of independence. As in, don't you tell me what to do. As in, leave me alone to live free. As in, when Victor & thousands others that talk **** about the South, it's Bubba's way of giving them the finger. Like the great Lewis Grizzard once said. "Y'all Yankees want to come down here? Great !! Come on down. Buy our land. Marry our women. That's fine, but we only ask one thing. We Don't Want to Know How you Used to do it in Cleveland. Because We Don't Care!!"

And by the way, you can drive all over this State and find many Giant, and I do mean Huge, Confederate Flags flying.


Sales of confederate flags and memorabilia are soaring. It's the same reason people who didn't drink made bathtub gin during prohibition, it was a way of telling the gouberment FU.

Lewis Grizzard was awesome too.ThumpUp
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I'll give you your prospers Jet, you have made a lucid well stated point. And I don't disagree with most of it.

Now the other side of the coin is that it is an offensive symbol to many southerners. This is why so many retailers are dropping the hot potato. Now it is one thing for people to have flags and bumper stickers that thumb their nose at any group you like - even if it is in bad taste, this is still America. But for the state to back it is another matter.

I get the love that white southerners have for antebellum, but you will find the blacks have the opposite feelings. And they are Americans too.
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No Arguement about that here.

But I can assure you that no one that I know of, and I can dare say that no one in their right mind would like to see slaves in this country again. It's preposterous to even consider.
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I don't think the flag is outlawed or prohibited just not proper to fly in an official state capacity. And that hasn't even happened yet. Drama much?
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(Prolly from too much hoppy beer)
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http://www.kennethinthe212.com/2015/06/behold-general-glee.html?m=1

This can fix jets desire to have a southern rebel symbol and avoid the hatred and intolerance associated with it.
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If I had a desire to have the symbol, I'd have one tacked up inside my garage. I'm just not going to join in the bandwagon to wipe "any" visual history form of history. People calling for movies to be banned, and statues & memorials to be removed. It harkens to book burnings & I don't agree with it.
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Brewha wrote:
I'll give you your prospers Jet, you have made a lucid well stated point. And I don't disagree with most of it.

Now the other side of the coin is that it is an offensive symbol to many southerners. This is why so many retailers are dropping the hot potato. Now it is one thing for people to have flags and bumper stickers that thumb their nose at any group you like - even if it is in bad taste, this is still America. But for the state to back it is another matter.

I get the love that white southerners have for antebellum, but you will find the blacks have the opposite feelings. And they are Americans too.


ThumpUp




Psst, Blacks, just like other groups are not a monolithic group.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/black-student-why-i-support-the-confederate-flag/vi-AAc0RXH

Gene363 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
http://www.kennethinthe212.com/2015/06/behold-general-glee.html?m=1

This can fix jets desire to have a southern rebel symbol and avoid the hatred and intolerance associated with it.


I always saw it that way, that show was lame. It is also full of southern stereotypes, you know, just like TV shows of that era depicted blacks.
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While I don't necessarily identify with the antebellum, they definitely shared a social class system, just like everywhere in the civilized world back then. It wasn't just Southern. One diary I read from the period recently of a gentile woman, where she talked about interacting with the "Cracker People". If it's anyone I can relate to, it's them. Certainly no more than I can relate to "the 1%" of today ...
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Is it a coincidence that all the states in the Confederacy, except Louisiana, have passed Voter Restriction laws, which have a disproportionate impact on the ability of black people to vote?
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Delta to suggest such an argument is insane.

There are multiple forms of IDs that are acceptable.

There is also a program that will take you to get the appropriate ID AT NO COST!!!!

For someone to not have an ID is nuts! What would they do if the bank asked for ID to cash their welfare check????

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its all a cover up to distract the sheeple of something else going on. I'm mean come on? The whole confederate flag deal, then the very next day legalizing gay marriage. It's all people have been talking about and probably will for weeks. The real question is what's really going on?

An I will continue to keep my missouri confedarte battle flag ( also known as the sterling price flag) license plate on my truck, sad part is very few people even know what it stands for…
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And, the State of NC offers Free Rides to get a Free I.D. Card.

After a while you gotta ask yourself if people complaining about Voter I.D. Laws are actually endorsing Voter Fraud (?)
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I would applaud the vigorous prosecution of voter fraud, and we can agree that the Atty Generals of those states have been looking far and wide, but have found very few instances. C'mon, the news media would eat up the arrest of people committing voter fraud and would show that perp walk every election as a reminder.

There is video evidence, from the mouths of the proponents of those voting restriction laws, of the reasons for pushing them: to keep the poor vote down. It's not just ID: There have been restrictions on mail-in and absentee voting, week-end voting, voting hours, numbers of polling places in some neighborhoods, reduced numbers of poll workers at some locations; restrictions on college students registering.

One man one vote has become "we can't beat them if they vote...here's an idea...let's figure out a way to stop them from voting"


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Sorry Delta, I just see a lot of holes in what you're saying.

It's always been a practice that if you're in line to vote, you can cast that vote regardless of the time. So to say poll hours and workers have been cut, doesn't hold water.

I've never witnessed a drop in polling stations. In fact, just the opposite. To help reduce lines, my county has added locations over the years.

Reduction in college voters???? I thought you were addressing the poor?

Blame voting on something real, not what you think might have happened. The "Hanging Chad" maybe???
delta1 Offline
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Here you are, Mattie:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/28/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html


Are you serious about college students among the poor? It's just about redundant, a cliche even...
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Both side of the, Voter ID Vs Voter fraud argument exaggerate their evidence, any loss in the validity of elections is a serious threat to our country. The two so called problems are just another distraction issue to keep people busy while the parliament of whores sell out the nation. In reality there isn't that much voter fraud and there isn't much genuine evidence of disenfranchised voters.

IMO, this debate undermines the validity of the voting process far more than the actual problems by undermining confidence in elections and convincing various sects they are not being represented when in fact, they are. Just study gerrymandering voter districts, both parties are guilty as hell.
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Voter suppression laws have a much larger impact than fraud. Republicans wouldn't bother trying to implement them if they didn't work, but they can't publicly say they're going to pass laws to stop Dems from voting, except for the few politicians who actually did say just that. Since the elections of 2010, nearly half of the states have passed some sort of voter restrictions. Most of the examples above are proposed restrictions: some are not proposed laws, but practices done by politically motivated voting officials.

After 2010, Republicans did an audit to determine why they lost by such a large margin. They found that they lagged way behind the Dems among women, students, blacks and latinos. Rather than develop policies to appeal to those groups, they implemented this strategy.

I do agree that gerrymandering is a major threat to democracy and it is cynically practiced by both parties. But undermining "one man one vote" with laws to make voting more difficult and costly, although sinisterly brilliant, seems un-American.
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