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Cacman,

There is no such thing as black on black violence.

Must be true because no one saw anything.

Glad those restrictive gun laws are saving lives there and working so well.

Ammo?

Good question, answer: It has not been reported on the news.

While there is a lot of complaining about the news media, this is one of those areas were we can all rely on the mainstream media.

Trump will probably blame in on those Latino immigrants.

Chicago murders are about half of what they were 15-20 years ago.

New current "Fast and Furious."

Keep it at home Cuz.

Must be a lot of gruesome weekends in other towns
Wonder why we only hear about Chicago?
Here's a one year old article:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20140728/OPINION/140719782/chicago-the-murder-capital-of-the-u-s-lets-get-real

You ask a funny question. For instance, you ask "when was the last time a white man burned a 'black' church?" The answer to that question is certainly more challenging than you'd think. There are plenty of black churches burning. Brown's father's church coincidentally burned to the ground due to arson on the night of the Brown trial. That place has gotten KKK letters and whatnot before. So was it burned down by white supremacists, or black people? Three churches in delaware with a predominantly black congregation got burned down in 2014. Was it done by a white guy or a black guy? We wouldn't know unless they guy gets caught. But again, these churches had been vandalized with white supremacy graffiti in the past.

Nothing I say is going to change your mind. In your head it's more statistically likely that blacks churches are going to be burned by black people trying to blame it on white people. Because that makes sense in your head. You didn't offer "several other possibilities" you specifically stated what you believed to be more likely. I provided you with statistics. You complained they were too old. But in the end, I don't really care about changing your mind. I'll just mock you instead.

Man cacman...
First, this isn't "liberal race baiting". I'm asking for consistency from people, not caring or sensitivity or anything like that. I expect people to act logically or at least recognize where they have stopped acting logically. I brought up the church thread for that specific reason.

In one thread multiple people are bringing up any number of " possible " scenarios, scenarios which have anywhere from a less than 50% chance to "you've got to be kidding me". For the record, you're right, you did not bring up that ridiculous scenario. But you have said it was " fair to raise that suspicion ". I even provided some data about who's most likely to torch a church.

In another thread the most likely scenario IS that it was a black shooter. Hell, for no more reason than ALL black deaths are most likely caused by blacks, just as all white deaths are more likely caused by whites. It has to do with you're more likely to kill the people you're around. But no one had any interest in floating those less likely scenarios. In fact your assumption, despite no suspect being caught, is that it's a black individual, to the point that you won't stop talking about black on black crime.

You're behavior is different in the two situations. Many people's assumptions and defensive strategies are different in the two situations. I'm just trying to point it out.

Arguing with Victor is like wrestling a greased submissive that's on pcp.

Yup, he's a liberal master baiter.

I honestly believe its his day job, too.

Let us not forget what the families of the innocent victims are feeling.

I got called a liberal this weekend.... freaked me out.....

actually it was an air force guy.. he told my wife that because she never served or laid her live on the line she wasn't entitled to an opinion regarding politics... I wasn't there at the time but when I got back to the table I got lumped into the same category.. he left within minutes of my arrival...

Sound like he needed to be shot down.........



Air Force......
Get it?

cacman, none of the news i read reported any witness accounts suggesting it was a black shooter. If you have witness accounts I would be excited and thrilled to see a link.

I never said you said anything about "ALL Black deaths".. I said it. It's statistics. Most blacks are killed by blacks and most whites are killed by whites nationwide. It isn't based on anything other than association, but it's a simple high-level stat.

As for the whole minimum sentence for gun violations thing... I don't even care about that. Honestly, I don't think there should be any sort of "gun violence sentencing". That's discouraging gun purchase and use...that seems like something someone who hates america would want.

The only point I've been making is your quote: " If it's 'fair' to automatically suspect whites of the burnings, then it's EQUALLY 'fair' to suspect any other cause. As I've said before, it goes both ways" That was my entire point. People (you included) made ridiculous excuses for why it could possibly be anyone else or any other reason why black churches were burned. All of them are within the realm of possibility. But are they all equally likely? But suddenly everyone believes statistics when it's assumed to be "black-on-black" violence. You simply haven't been consistent.

As for your constant railing against the concept of "black" churches.... I don't see how this is so hard for you to understand. Churches in america are deeply segregated. I suppose there is a historical context for it. I've never cared because it's religion and a self selecting segregation. But to pretend it doesn't happen is to be willfully ignorant.

It was reported by CNN yesterday morning, at the same time the CNN reporter suggested that tougher minimum sentences would target blacks. The targetting statement alone is what lead to starting the discussion to begin with.


If you're not a liberal, then you must be a politician in office as you've flipped-flopped on gun control issues. In previous discussions you've debated against me for tougher gun control. So to say you don't care is a crock of sh|t and a lie. Unless you just argue to argue and don't have the backbone to take a real stand (unless it's bullying a homeless person of course).


You are the only one pushing the "stats' angle. This discussion was started purely on the facts as reported on a live news broadcast yesterday morning. I never said other avenues should not be investigated in regards to the 7yr old's death. Had the story been headlined as a white hate crime before being investigated like the church fires where , I would have protested just the same and consistently. In this case, there is little collaborating evidence to prove a white hate crime and is further supported by your 'stats'. Investigations should go both ways. But the news coverage of the church fires automatically presumed a hate crime was involved BEFORE any evidence supported it. The "ridiculous' scenarios put forth by me and others in the end turned out to be true in part. That is not the case in regards to this particular shooting.


If you would have done your research before blasting me for rallying against the term "black church' you would understand the historical context. In a nut-shell, black churches started as a result of slavery. If there is no slavery then there is no need for the segregation or 'black church', just like there's no need to fly the confederate flag. There should not be any segregation within the house of God - no white, no black, but all equal. To further promote such segregation only promotes racism. Saying 'I've never cared because it's religion and a self selecting segregation." is a complete cop-out. If the white community was "self-selecting segregation" people would be screaming.

Take me to church...