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Oklahoma gov to keep Ten Commandments monument on Capitol grounds, report says
Published July 08, 2015


Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin said Tuesday the Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol will stay there despite the state's Supreme Court ruling it violated the Constitution and must be removed.

The Tulsa World reports Fallin and Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt asked the Oklahoma Supreme Court to reconsider the 7-2 decision that was handed down last week after a challenge from the ACLU of Oklahoma on behalf of three plaintiffs.

Lawmakers have also filed legislation to let people vote on whether to remove a portion of the state Constitution cited in the ruling; Article II, Section 5.

It reads: "No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such."

The state said last week the Ten Commandments are "obviously religious in nature and are an integral part of the Jewish and Christian faiths." The state Constitution bans using public money or property for the benefit of any religious purpose. The monument was privately funded by Republican Rep. Mike Ritze.

“Oklahoma is a state where we respect the rule of law, and we will not ignore the state courts or their decisions,” Fallin said. “However, we are also a state with three co-equal branches of government.”

Fallin cited a petition to rehear the case and legislation seeking to let people vote on amending the constitution in her argument to let the monument stay on Capitol grounds, according to the newspaper.

Last week, Pruitt argued the monument was historical in nature and nearly identical to a Texas monument that was found constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. The Oklahoma justices said the local monument violated the state's constitution, not the U.S. Constitution.

"Quite simply, the Oklahoma Supreme Court got it wrong," Pruitt said in a statement. "The court completely ignored the profound historical impact of the Ten Commandments on the foundation of Western law."

Film at 11.... Mellow
Speyside Offline
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The Texas monument might be gone after Jade Helm 15.
DrafterX Offline
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Jade hates the 10 Commandments..?? Huh
riverdog Offline
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No.
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The Supreme Court got it right in this case. The establishment clause of the 1st amendment states quite the contrary to having religious doctrine being endorsed by the government. The founders of America were deists as well, if i may add.

Also, i dont even think a lot of people even know that "under God" and "in God we trust" were not inserted into the pledge of allegiance and in our currency until the 1950's due to the red scare.

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Why do you hate America..?? Huh
Oscar Offline
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Don't let em take our guns! Murica!!
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Damn Right..!! ThumpUp
Speyside Offline
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So when is Oklahoma putting up a monument listing the 4 noble truth's of Buddhism?
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when they pry my cold dead finger off my trigger... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
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Speyside wrote:
So when is Oklahoma putting up a monument listing the 4 noble truth's of Buddhism?


When they are the basis for blue laws?
Gene363 Offline
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Other than the Christian vs muslim thing, the Obama administrations prolly has the most difficulty with these two commandments:

2.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth . . . .

3.Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Number 2 for his followers, Number 3 for those that speak of his administration.
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Oscar wrote:
Don't let em take our guns! Murica!!




Don't worry.....THEY WON'T Beer
TMCTLT Offline
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Speyside wrote:
So when is Oklahoma putting up a monument listing the 4 noble truth's of Buddhism?




Maybe when it's discovered that Buddhism was a cornerstone of these United States.....Think
Speyside Offline
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Sorry T but I respectfully disagree. The constitution is clear on this. The government cannot show preferential treatment for a specific religion or group of religions. When reading the Texas decision it seems this will be looked at on a one by one basis at the state lever until SCOTUS chooses to decide on the matter.
Gene363 Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Sorry T but I respectfully disagree. The constitution is clear on this. The government cannot show preferential treatment for a specific religion or group of religions. When reading the Texas decision it seems this will be looked at on a one by one basis at the state lever until SCOTUS chooses to decide on the matter.


I hear you and actually I agree. IMO, at the very least some of the Ten Commandments are the basis of modern law such that the 'document' can be considered a precedent of current law and not just a religious object. I don't like it, but I'm guessing the SCOTUS is going to side with removal.
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Gene363 wrote:
Other than the Christian vs muslim thing, the Obama administrations prolly has the most difficulty with these two commandments:

2.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth . . . .

3.Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Number 2 for his followers, Number 3 for those that speak of his administration.

As far as the United States goes, we have endless difficulty with the second commandment. The U.S. loves it many and varied forms of idolatry.

Come to think of it, we don't much care for the 4th either...



Thanks Obama!
Gene363 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
As far as the United States goes, we have endless difficulty with the second commandment. The U.S. loves it many and varied forms of idolatry.

Come to think of it, we don't much care for the 4th either...



Thanks Obama!


True, as least Jeb Busch wants to honer it, especially this part: "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:..." as expanded by Exodus 20:8-11 fog
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six days ain't bad if you get the rest of the month off
Gene363 Offline
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True! ^
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