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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 2:46 PM EST
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Nobel Prize-winning scientist says Obama is ‘dead wrong’ on global warming


The Daily Caller

By Michael BastaschPublished July 08, 2015
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In 2008, Dr. Ivar Giaever joined over 70 Nobel Science Laureates in endorsing Barack Obama for president, but seven years later the Nobel Prize winner now stands against the president on global warming.

“I would say that basically global warming is a non-problem,” Giaever, who won the Nobel for physics in 1973, told an audience at the Lindau Nobel Laureate meeting earlier this month.

Giaever ridiculed Obama for stating that “no challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.” The physicist called it a “ridiculous statement” and that Obama “gets bad advice” when it comes to global warming.

“I say this to Obama: Excuse me, Mr. President, but you’re wrong. Dead wrong,” Giaever said.

Giaever was a professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute’s School of Engineering and School of Science and received the Nobel Prize for physics for his work on quantum tunneling. Giaever said he was “horrified” about the science surrounding global warming when he conducted research on the subject in 2012.

Ironically, just four years earlier he signed a letter with more than 70 other Nobel winners saying the “country urgently needs a visionary leader” and that “Senator Barack Obama is such a leader, and we urge you to join us in supporting him.”

But by 2011, Giaever left the American Physical Society because it officially stated that “the evidence is incontrovertible … [g]lobal warming is occurring.” The Society also pushed for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

“Global warming really has become a new religion,” Giaever said. “Because you cannot discuss it. It’s not proper. It is like the Catholic Church.”

Giaever argued that there’s been no global warming for the last 17 years or so (based on satellite records), weather hasn’t gotten more extreme and that global temperature has only slightly risen — and that’s based on data being “fiddled” with by scientists, he said.

“When you have a theory and the theory does not agree with the experiment then you have to cut out the theory. You were wrong with the theory,” Giaever said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/08/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-says-obama-is-dead-wrong-on-global-warming/
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 2:55 PM EST
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that's what I said.... Mellow
Burner02 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 4:12 PM EST
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Not true unless reported by BSNBC.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 4:16 PM EST
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But the fat lady at Snopes said it was true.... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 4:55 PM EST
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What do you ant to bet this scientist meets with a sudden and mysterious death?
tonygraz Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 5:05 PM EST
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I'll bet he has lots of deposits in his bank account prior to his statement.
jetblasted Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 6:07 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
What do you ant to bet this scientist meets with a sudden and mysterious death?


Lots of dead bankers and scientists showing up lately . . .

Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 6:21 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Lots of dead bankers and scientists showing up lately . . .

Mellow


I've been reading about that. Interesting idea, but I am a life long cynic. Most conspiracies are exposed at some point; people find the task of keeping their mouth shut impossible.
banderl Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 6:25 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Lots of dead bankers and scientists showing up lately . . .

Mellow



I heard that Sherman did it.
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 6:30 PM EST
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He didn't actually kill them, he did burn their food stores though
Bitter Klinger Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 7:47 PM EST
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Yeah, I heard that too.

Then I heard TW, Bandaid and some of their other friends circled up and blew him. Hearsay, of course...or was it heresy? Either way...
banderl Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 8:12 PM EST
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
Yeah, I heard that too.

Then I heard TW, Bandaid and some of their other friends circled up and blew him. Hearsay, of course...or was it heresy? Either way...



So you dream up fantasies of men having oral sex with other men?
****!
Gene363 Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 9:12 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
So you dream up fantasies of men having oral sex with other men?
****!


And... the gay prize goes to banderl!
banderl Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 9:16 PM EST
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Clingon gayed up the thread, he should win.
Gene363 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jul 8 2015, 9:32 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Clingon gayed up the thread, he should win.


Don't be embarrassed, you won.
banderl Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Jul 9 2015, 2:09 PM EST
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I am embarrassed, but not for me.
You're handing out the prize, you must be president of the club.
Gene363 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Jul 9 2015, 2:21 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
I am embarrassed, but not for me.
You're handing out the prize, you must be president of the club.


You gayed it up, swallow... your pride and own it.
banderl Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Jul 9 2015, 2:51 PM EST
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Sure thing, Prez.
HockeyDad Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 9:33 AM EST
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You people gonna trust someone because he has a Nobel prize? Even Obama has one of those.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 9:36 AM EST
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I think Obama got one of them gay prizes too.... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 10:02 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I think Obama got one of them gay prizes too.... Mellow


Prolly earned it the hard way too.
tonygraz Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 10:05 AM EST
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Is that how you got yours ?
Speyside Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 10:32 AM EST
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Global warming/Climate change is real, but the more I read the more I learn it is not as horrific as the environmentalists say.
Gene363 Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 10:34 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Is that how you got yours ?


Got butt hurt?
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 10:34 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Global warming/Climate change is real, but the more I read the more I learn it is not as horrific as the environmentalists say.




ya... environmentalists suck... Mellow
MACS Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 3:33 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Global warming/Climate change is real, but the more I read the more I learn it is not as horrific as the environmentalists say.


And when it cycles back the other way, and cools a bit... what are they gonna say?

It's 73 degrees in Riverside, CA... in July... when it's usually in the 90's!!! Oh the humanity!!

Wait... this is much better than 90's. I'll take a few more days of this, please.
Human#666 Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 5:05 PM EST
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Of course this came from Fox News.
jetblasted Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 5:24 PM EST
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Obama won a Nobel prize, too ...

Mellow
MACS Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 6:18 PM EST
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Human#666 wrote:
Of course this came from Fox News.


What difference does that make? Of all the God-forsaken television news outlets you have to have at least ONE that isn't retardedly flippin' liberal.

Apologies to retards...
Burner02 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2015, 10:29 PM EST
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Human#666 wrote:
Of course this came from Fox News.




Better if from BSNBC?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 1:01 AM EST
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Human#666 wrote:
Of course this came from Fox News.



Seriously...you think THEY made up that article? Sure it wasn't "cherry picked" from some other source and they're just grand standing for some outrage support or more butthurtfeelyomah from you and those that think Summer is Global Warming?
tonygraz Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 6:30 AM EST
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Trust Fox news, they tell the truth 8% of the time.
TMCTLT Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 6:34 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Trust Fox news, they tell the truth 8% of the time.



Ever think for yourself or do you get ALL your talking points from the DNC?
Brewha Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 11:31 AM EST
Joined: 01-25-2010
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Abrignac wrote:
Nobel Prize-winning scientist says Obama is ‘dead wrong’ on global warming


The Daily Caller

By Michael BastaschPublished July 08, 2015
Facebook4666 Twitter1357 Email Print

In 2008, Dr. Ivar Giaever joined over 70 Nobel Science Laureates in endorsing Barack Obama for president, but seven years later the Nobel Prize winner now stands against the president on global warming.

“I would say that basically global warming is a non-problem,” Giaever, who won the Nobel for physics in 1973, told an audience at the Lindau Nobel Laureate meeting earlier this month.

Giaever ridiculed Obama for stating that “no challenge poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.” The physicist called it a “ridiculous statement” and that Obama “gets bad advice” when it comes to global warming.

“I say this to Obama: Excuse me, Mr. President, but you’re wrong. Dead wrong,” Giaever said.

Giaever was a professor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute’s School of Engineering and School of Science and received the Nobel Prize for physics for his work on quantum tunneling. Giaever said he was “horrified” about the science surrounding global warming when he conducted research on the subject in 2012.

Ironically, just four years earlier he signed a letter with more than 70 other Nobel winners saying the “country urgently needs a visionary leader” and that “Senator Barack Obama is such a leader, and we urge you to join us in supporting him.”

But by 2011, Giaever left the American Physical Society because it officially stated that “the evidence is incontrovertible … [g]lobal warming is occurring.” The Society also pushed for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

“Global warming really has become a new religion,” Giaever said. “Because you cannot discuss it. It’s not proper. It is like the Catholic Church.”

Giaever argued that there’s been no global warming for the last 17 years or so (based on satellite records), weather hasn’t gotten more extreme and that global temperature has only slightly risen — and that’s based on data being “fiddled” with by scientists, he said.

“When you have a theory and the theory does not agree with the experiment then you have to cut out the theory. You were wrong with the theory,” Giaever said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/08/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-says-obama-is-dead-wrong-on-global-warming/


I say the guy has a right to his opinion and should be heard. But really, it looks like his opinions doesn't agree with the overwhelming opinions of his peers.

And while I'll give him prospers for winning his smart guy badges, high energy physics is not climatology. And the article is from an entertainment publisher, not a news service. This is sensational, not a reporting of evidence.

I suppose the debate will never really end. Hell, I know people that think taking the lead out of gas was a govmut plot to rip us off.
Brewha Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 11:35 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Trust Fox news, they tell the truth 8% of the time.

Is the percentage really that high?
Abrignac Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 12:35 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I say the guy has a right to his opinion and should be heard. But really, it looks like his opinions doesn't agree with the overwhelming opinions of his peers.

And while I'll give him prospers for winning his smart guy badges, high energy physics is not climatology. And the article is from an entertainment publisher, not a news service. This is sensational, not a reporting of evidence.

I suppose the debate will never really end. Hell, I know people that think taking the lead out of gas was a govmut plot to rip us off.


I do agree that the source is certainly biased, but since it's not an "opinion" piece by the "nesw source" I'll defer on the source credibility issue. It's sad that we no longer have real news sources. I'm guessing none of the "mainstream" sources will print this since is counter to their biased reporting.

As far as him not being a climatologist, he's a well respected scientist nonetheless. As such, I'm reasonably sure he knows how to spot data manipulation which in of itself is absolutely not confined to read raw data.

For the record, anyone who doesn't believe that the climate changes is living in a small fishbowl. That being said, no matter what steps we take as humans will have some impact on the climate. However, I don't believe for a minute there is much we can do about it. With a world population of 7B plus no matter what measures we employ the rate of climate change is probably going to remain about the same.
Abrignac Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 12:42 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Trust Fox news, they tell the truth 8% of the time.


Between Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc.... I doubt you could muster enough truth from all them to make it to 8%. Neither MSNBC or Fox were ever creditable news sources. The rest have ceased to become news sources. All we have now is agenda based propaganda.
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#38 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 12:45 PM EST
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I don't think he has a right to be heard. My opinion is right, and if he doesn't agree, I'll shout him down until he is silenced.

I'm a tolerant man, but geez !!

Speak to the hand Brick wall Whistle Angel
tonygraz Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 1:02 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Ever think for yourself or do you get ALL your talking points from the DNC?


Don't get anything from the DNC- where do you get your lies for the gullible ?
Brewha Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 1:07 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I do agree that the source is certainly biased, but since it's not an "opinion" piece by the "nesw source" I'll defer on the source credibility issue. It's sad that we no longer have real news sources. I'm guessing none of the "mainstream" sources will print this since is counter to their biased reporting.

As far as him not being a climatologist, he's a well respected scientist nonetheless. As such, I'm reasonably sure he knows how to spot data manipulation which in of itself is absolutely not confined to read raw data.

For the record, anyone who doesn't believe that the climate changes is living in a small fishbowl. That being said, no matter what steps we take as humans will have some impact on the climate. However, I don't believe for a minute there is much we can do about it. With a world population of 7B plus no matter what measures we employ the rate of climate change is probably going to remain about the same.

Or maybe the mainstream sources arn't reporting it because it's not very relevant. I mean it is just one guy against the crowd.

It worries me to hear the attitude that "there is not much we can do". Because that is a step towards "let's do nothing" or better still, sence we really can't fix it, let's ditch the catalytic converters and put the lead back in the gas - we can save a few bucks.

I believe there is much we can do about it over the long term and into our future.
tonygraz Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 1:08 PM EST
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CNN is 20 % true, I don't watch it, Fox or MSNBC. For news I watch CBS and for political commentary and comedy I watch the Daily Show. Republicans hate fact checkers because it points out all their lies.
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#42 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 3:19 PM EST
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Arguing about the voracity of TV news is like two old men, one a democrat, the other a republican, on the front porch arguing about who's party was more honest.

In either case, they are going to tell you lies to scare the hell ut of you and get you to do what they want.
tonygraz Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 3:28 PM EST
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Reminds me of a restaurant on Cape Cod that has sitting benches on either side of the porch. One is labelled republicans and the other democrats.

And the right wing lies more than the left wing.
Gene363 Offline
#44 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 3:40 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Reminds me of a restaurant on Cape Cod that has sitting benches on either side of the porch. One is labelled republicans and the other democrats.

And the right wing lies more than the left wing.


It depends on your perspective, but since I don't 'own' any politicians I don't truest any of them, with but a handful of exceptions, they have long since sold their sole to old scratch.
wheelrite Offline
#45 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 4:43 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I am a Commie !!.



yes, we know...


wheel,,
MACS Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 4:51 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Reminds me of a restaurant on Cape Cod that has sitting benches on either side of the porch. One is labelled republicans and the other democrats.

And the right wing lies more than the left wing.


This is our problem. No matter who you choose, you're voting for a liar. No matter who you side with, we shouldn't have to be picking the lesser of two evils... yet here we are.
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#47 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 4:58 PM EST
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^ This.
wheelrite Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 5:14 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I get a Boner whenever I see Hillary !



oh my...


wheel,,
Brewha Offline
#49 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 5:29 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Brewha, I wanted to thank you for your illuminating liberal views.
Truly, you are one of Cbid's greatest assets.

What can us short people do to help curb global warming?

BTW, my idea of global warming is when I wet myself.
And IT'S TRUE!

wheel,,

Thank you Wheel.

And just try to think 'tall'.

And stay dry....
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#50 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2015, 7:38 PM EST
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Dang, thought this was a cello on/off thread!
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