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Brewha Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 2:18 PM EST
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I hear they spend their spare time hanging around on forums being outraged….
tonygraz Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 3:11 PM EST
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No, that was just when W was president and tried to steal their fried potato idea.
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 3:25 PM EST
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You mean Freedom Fries?
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 3:35 PM EST
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Fly away.. High Away.... Bye Bye...... Whistle
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#55 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 4:10 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Putin is laughing at us.... Sad



and pootin
fishinguitarman Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 4:11 PM EST
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Obamadontcare
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:12 PM EST
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Can yall share a link to the agreement? I've not seen a legitimate one yet so haven't read it. Unlike pelosi I think you need to read it before passing or rejecting it.
DrafterX Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:18 PM EST
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no link but basically they have to sell almost all their yellow cake, allow inspections but we have to warn them a month in advance, store but not destroy centrifuges and we're giving them back all their money and lifting sanctions and stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:19 PM EST
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Do we get to burn their food stores?
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:22 PM EST
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no.... see what I mean. this deal sucks... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:28 PM EST
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Can we at least salt the fields or wells or whatever?
DrafterX Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:32 PM EST
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we might get to if they cross the redline... but we all know that really doesn't mean much... and we'd prolly have to go thru Putin to get to them.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:33 PM EST
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General Shernan would kick pooty tangs ass
DrafterX Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:35 PM EST
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true... true.... Mellow
banderl Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:36 PM EST
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We really need to poison some wells and stuff.
DrafterX Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:41 PM EST
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we could poison Iraqs.... Iran will have them all soon anyway.. Mellow
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#67 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Can yall share a link to the agreement? I've not seen a legitimate one yet so haven't read it. Unlike pelosi I think you need to read it before passing or rejecting it.


Pubes say it's a bad deal and they don't want to know the details, they'll make up their own.
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#68 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 8:59 PM EST
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details don't really matter... it's all about making a deal for the legacy and stuff... North Korea is next... Beer
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#69 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 9:12 PM EST
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You know, honestly, if they weren't batsh*t crazy and willing to die for their cause... there wouldn't be a problem. Anxious
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#70 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 9:31 PM EST
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Giving deals. Hitler got deals and that worked out well for the world.
banderl Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 9:43 PM EST
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If not for Hitler, we wouldn't have Volkswagen.
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#72 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 9:48 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
If not for Hitler, we wouldn't have Volkswagen.


I think the world would've been just fine w/o the people's car.
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#73 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 9:54 PM EST
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Yes, in the entire history of the world diplomacy has never worked. I This One time this really bad guy went back on a deal and now we should only fight wars to solve issues.
banderl Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 9:56 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Yes, in the entire history of the world diplomacy has never worked. I This One time this really bad guy went back on a deal and now we should only fight wars to solve issues.


Now you did it.
Let the name calling begin.
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#75 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:02 PM EST
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I know. I've tried to avoid the political discussions and failed. Going back to my little section of rain forest now.
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#76 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:05 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Yes, in the entire history of the world diplomacy has never worked. I This One time this really bad guy went back on a deal and now we should only fight wars to solve issues.


This will lead to war. We didn't have to give Iran a damn thing.

Israel will take out the reactor facilities we said Iran could have and tell us to go spin on it.
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#77 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:15 PM EST
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It very well might. Just as an increasingly desperate Iran, continuallyhobbled by sanctions, mightresort to war to improve their lot.. I'm for trying something new, even if the result ends up in the same place

And, if Israel feels threatened, they should absolutely take the actions they perceive as necessary. No issue with that at all.
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#78 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:23 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
It very well might. Just as an increasingly desperate Iran, continuallyhobbled by sanctions, mightresort to war to improve their lot.. I'm for trying something new, even if the result ends up in the same place

And, if Israel feels threatened, they should absolutely take the actions they perceive as necessary. No issue with that at all.




No they were kept at bay because all they could wage was a conventional war. Now that's not the case or atleast not in a few years from now.
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#79 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:29 PM EST
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And you feel this deal will allow them to do that but keeping the status quo and continuing the sanctions, with no international supervision, would not lead to a nuclear Iran?
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#80 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:32 PM EST
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They didn't let in the UN inspectors in the past time will tell if they do now. I would still put money on that they don't let inspectors in.
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#81 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 10:36 PM EST
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Very possible. Thanks foe the discussion, Anthony. I've got to get some sleep. Enjoy your evening! I would insert a smiley here, but my phone is awful, so I'll go "old school. " :)
tonygraz Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2015, 11:04 PM EST
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In memory of John Lennon - let's give peace a chance.
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#83 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 6:44 AM EST
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Or..... It could be argued the sanctions on Germany following ww1 led to the resentment and poverty that lead to the rise of hitler and ultimately ww2. The appeasement had more to do with his actions once growing out of that environment. We took a different approach after ww2 with better results.
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#84 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 6:51 AM EST
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Hitler also grew his army in the face of the sanctions knowing the world didn't have the stomach to completely enforce them. We have waive ring world support to continue to briefing them as it it. We are not in a vacuum. Israel is actually a nice wild card. They do have the stomach to step in regardless of what we or the world do/does. Or at least they feed that perception. The status quo wasn't going to work much longer. Reactionary politics rarely works long term.
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#85 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 6:52 AM EST
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But reactionary politics are usually popular in the moment.
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#86 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 6:58 AM EST
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Funny how Iran was our friend until the late 70s but must remain our enemy forever now while Germany and Japan were our enemies in the 40s.
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#87 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 7:06 AM EST
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One could also mention that our sanctions on Cuba almost lead to nuclear missiles in Cuba during the cold war. Also those sanctions almost started WW3.
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#88 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 7:28 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Or..... It could be argued the sanctions on Germany following ww1 led to the resentment and poverty that lead to the rise of hitler and ultimately ww2. The appeasement had more to do with his actions once growing out of that environment. We took a different approach after ww2 with better results.



WWII was a continuation of WWI, the Treaty of Versailles crippled the German economy and led to Hitler's power grab.
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#89 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 7:42 AM EST
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No one ever escaped from Stalag 13... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 11:47 AM EST
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true....true
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#91 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 7:11 PM EST
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http://www.vox.com/2015/7/15/8967147/iran-nuclear-deal-jeffrey-lewis

an interesting analysis of the treaty by people with actual credentials.
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#92 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 9:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Funny how Iran was our friend until the late 70s but must remain our enemy forever now while Germany and Japan were our enemies in the 40s.

Iran was our "friend" it's true, but really that had a lot to do with the Shah. Change of leadership created the situation that exists to this day. Conspiracy lovers should be up in arms that the hostages and "revolution" took place virtually on Carter's first day in office, but that would not be palatable to Reagan worshipers who make up much of the neo-conspiratory theorists.

I believe (hope?) that the majority of their citizens, who are not Arab btw, lean toward western ideals. Heck, their modern citizens love Levis! But it will take time until they are able to impose their will on the future path Iran takes.

Hopefully, for our sake, the new agreement will provide the decade of time needed to transform them into friends once again, only this time without the crushing brutality of both the Shah and the current regime. Another revolution? Maybe.

Everyone seems to be ignoring that if Iran does not comply with the terms the economic sanctions will be imposed again. The current sanctions got them to the table. Israel's awesome military power will likely not be required, but it's always helpful to have a real ally willing to walk the walk.
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#93 Posted: Thu, Jul 16 2015, 11:37 PM EST
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John Lennon was an ass hole.
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#94 Posted: Fri, Jul 17 2015, 7:43 AM EST
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Look on the bright side, if they build nukes and turn the middle east into a radioactive wasteland we won't have to hear about wars over there every day anymore!
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#95 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 8:29 AM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
John Lennon was an ass hole.



With REALLY bad taste in womens....
tonygraz Offline
#96 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:33 AM EST
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Racists bastid !
Brewha Offline
#97 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:37 AM EST
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Jet just liked the Monkeys better.....
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#98 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:48 AM EST
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Easy, Brew, don't drag me into this!
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#99 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 9:52 AM EST
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My bad.
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#100 Posted: Sat, Jul 18 2015, 11:26 AM EST
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Reagan never would allowed Iran improve their military.
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