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While I don't disagree that elected officials are wh#res, I don't believe it is established as "fact" anywhere that the elections are being corrupted by outsiders.

What about insiders?
And if our elected officials are wh$res, why would you be worried about illegal immigrants (lets face it, that's about as impoverished a group you can get) buying them off? A bit of cash in the right hands at diebold can do a heck of a lot more effective purchasing.

Do you know what the call a quarter pounder with cheese, in Europe?

I'll bite?

Whattup Steve? Doing alright?

Not sure I follow.
You said "what's to debate over not wanting outsiders and in this case Illegals participating in our elections? I admit I don't have the same whacky sense of humor that most here do and for that I'm sorry but I don't feel as that should be construed as Thin Skinned. We all know for a fact that our elections are being corrupted by outsiders who are allowed to donate to the candidate that they believe will benefit them the most."

You're stating that you don't want illegals to participate in our elections. Then the next sentence you say "we all know for a fact .... elections being corrupted by outsiders".

Perhaps you mean two separate outsider groups then? You're making an awful lot of assumptions about what is actually happening and to what degree however, while stating they are "fact".

Sounds like a plan.

Not that it really matters, but IIRC you have made statements in the past regarding the Sovereignty of the U.S. and not being beholden to others such as the UN.

You even threw him a real softball there Frank. Not much ambiguity on what the right answer should be.

I expect nothing less than honesty from Paul. That is not a problem.

We all know for a fact that our elections are being corrupted by outsiders who are allowed to donate to the candidate that they believe will benefit them

I understood the above line (from your post) to actually mean outsiders. I am not questioning being a supporter of Israel or their leader at all, in fact we agree there. Just asking if you apply the same rules and regulations to a friend as you would to a perceived enemy of your cause. You do not, that means special classes live above the law in your Utopia.

Where I see us differing is I would apply rules/laws etc equally, or risk being just another dictator type, no matter how friendly.

Paul, a benevolent dictator is front and foremost a dictator! And I am staunchly against even one that does all of my bidding.

AND...I did not call you ignorant. I was discussing a point.

Rolling eyes.

Tony. Go F*ck yourself....the best part of you "trickled down"your pops leg.

Anthony, you have this troll follow you around with nothing to offer to the conversation but personal attacks and see how you deal with it!! Like I said F*ck the A hole, I have nothing "nicer " to say to him sorry.

or the Somali Pirates... no one ever thinks about the Somali Pirates...

Brony freak....

Just a city boy..
Born and raised in South Detroit..
He took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere...

As someone who dealt with Medicaid eligibility, and particularly what can and cant be asked/considered during enrollment, and what can and can't be paid for (eligibility or benefit) with federal funds for many years combined with years of working with EMTALA compliance and enforcement I've simply stopped responding to the experts in here and elsewhere clammering about all the free health care illegals get. Beleive what you want, but reality is far different than the rhetoric. (not directed at speyside, because I realize he isn't saying anyone gets anything).

Now back to your regularly scheduled well thought out Obama is a dictator conversation.....

Say what you want, my wife has also worked in the healthcare industry ( and still does) for over twenty five years @ a hospital where this stuff DOES take place. It's not rhetoric...

Another liberal ideology " anger management " when someone gets tired of dealing with the kind of BS you engage in and decides to play the game by your rules. You know like saying things that have Nothing to do with the topic of conversation, but good on you for gathering a club to defend you!!

It's an invitation
Across the nation

Call it second hand if you like, and you assume that all states deal with this in the same manner. Why would you automatically discount what someone who IS still in the field of healthcare is saying about what they know is happening? I'm not discounting that the healthcare industry forces these healthcare facilities to treat these Illegals, what I question is WHY no one fights it on behalf of those who pay more for healthcare to offset these freebies for Illegals. Is it really that much more cost efficient to do this versus fight it in court?

By definition .... I did




To recieve federal funds, in this particular issue they do, and the requirements are VERY specific (unlike most things medicaid).... I approved and disapproved such things in several states, which included keeping informed nationally. I worked extensively with Medicaid State Plan Ammendments. I'm not assuming much here, although you are the expert through marriage.




I still work with it too and I'm not discounting what they say.... I'm not discussing it with someone still in the field so they are not saying anything to me.... if they were we could discuss it intelligently rather than moronic second had garbage. I'm discussing it with someone who has never been in the field... but that said..l. I work specificly with the subject at hand not tangentally or anecdotally.... and yet have the same or similar experience in the field not working with the subject at hand specifically

By the way I respect what your wife does and am very aware of their typical scope of knowledge and what they do. Don't translate any of this as lack of respect for her. I just tend to focus on this issue specifically rather than casually.




Makes no sense based on fact not rhetoric. It's a bunch of gobblygoop. As an aside...EMTALA is a fun law to work with.... weird definitions of emergency

bahahahahahahahaah omg this is funny

I'll stop on the subject. I'm not saying there is no health care money being spent on illegals, I am saying what is typically spewed is so far off base.

I suspect some States are spending money on them. But federal funds are very specific what can and cant be done. it's got to be largely (nothing is absolute) outside that context. It's a valid issue in State politics..... it loses some jab in the federal context. It is a very complicated subject and thats why I tend to avoid it and smile.

TMC lets be clear... you do not understand the issue you are so upset about.

What about the illegals who are Detroit Lion fans?
Nobody cares about the Detroit Lions.