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He is either a mammal or a reptile but he clearly is not a plant

Yeah, I did bring up the possibility that he was a Double Agent working against the GOP. I was half kidding at the time...?

He's no "Bush" that's for sure.

Must be feeling generous today, I'm just saying.

I agree. I don't think he's a plant. More like a gargoyle if you ask me.

The Republicans are doing an excellent job of getting a Democrat elected. Pretty much the same message that Romney ran on and got beat.

If they want to elect a president they need to take a careful look at their platform. They need to drop abortion. It's a hot button issue that prevents them from engaging the independents. The only way to end abortion is to pass a constitutional amendment banning it. In other words it's never gonna happen and they waste way too much political capital on it.

If they want to get rid of Obamacare they need to hire some consultants and draft a viable alternative. Poll after poll rank it as a very important issue. To say that they want to repeal it without an alternative is disingenuous and all but an idiot can see so.

They need to bury the notion of a flat tax or a consumption tax. Once again anyone but an idiot can see that all that sort of tax would do is force the poor and middle income people to pay taxes on a larger percentage of their income than the upper level wage earners. It's as much class warfare as the Democrats wanting to raise the tax rates on upper income earners.

If they want to expand their base, they need to sit down with everyone but white males and ask them what's important to them, then retool their platform accordingly.

Very good points- is it the narcotics hangover or just good sense ?

Abrignac wrote:

If they want to expand their base, they need to sit down with everyone but white males and ask them what's important to them, then retool their platform accordingly.

They have had 8 years...8 YEARS... to be ready for this moment! As disappointing as Obama has been to Dems and left leaning Indies, these folks seem totally unprepared for the challenge of leading this country. It is doubtful they have expanded their base by one vote. How is this possible after all that has happened?

If voting for whomever emerges from the dozens of lunatics they are parading, are you voting for someone or just against someone? This stinks, and I am very disappointed.

Considering they spent the entire first four years devoted to voting down anything Obama wanted, even if it was a cure for cancer, to prevent a second term (major failure), they still could not come up with a vision over the next four years when everyone anticipated a romp in the upcoming election. And Obama got several large pieces of legislation and negotiations in place while they trash talked, making them look even stupider.

Poisoned by their own vitriol, unable to smoothly absorb lunatic fringes within the GOP, lacking party leadership...they are not ready to take over. And even Dems didn't want it to be Hillary.

Go Bernie??? Or Harold Stassen?

So if they want to win they have to run as democrat-lite?

Got it

(Even though that hasn't worked the last two times around and won't work this time either)

So you're saying it doesn't make sense to draft a platform more in line with the thinking of those you need to vote your way if you want to win?

So you are saying that the only thing that separates the Republicans and Democrats is abortion and taxes?

So you're saying that in 2008 McCain and Palin were Democrat like?

So you're saying that in 2012 Romney and Ryan were Democrat like?

The Republicans lost in 2008 because the nominated the most arrogant career politician the could find and paired him with the village nitwit at a point in history when young voters were looking for a change, any change. On top of that a heaping spoon full of deceit was thrown in.

They lost in 2012 because the nominated a candidate whom they didn't trust who was also completely out of touch with and unable to connect to enough swing voters to win. It didn't help that Romney picked a young man more partisan than just about any other person on Capital Hill who advocated replacing Medicare with vouchers which most seniors are vehemently opposed to.

I refer to the Republicans in 2nd person because for the past 32 years I have been registered as an independent who voted for Reagan in '84, Bush in '88, Bush in '92, Dole in '96, Bush in '00, Bush in '04, McCain in '08 and Romney in '12.

If I have pizzed off anyone, blame it on the pain killers.

Food for thought . . .
( I'm just playing "Devil's Advocate".)

TRUMP

Some people are getting very nervous, including Barack Obama, Valerie
Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a
few. And I know why. I wrote a book titled “The Murder of the Middle Class” about the unholy conspiracy between big government, big business and big media.

They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it’s in all of their interests to protect one another. It’s one for all and all for one. It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich — everyone except the American eople. We get ripped off. We’re the patsies.

But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. I’ve never seen them this outraged, this vicious, this motivated or this coordinated. Never in all my years in politics have I seen anything like the way the mad dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.

When white supremacist David Dukes ran for governor of Louisiana , even he wasn’t treated with this kind of outrage, vitriol and disrespect. When a known fraud, scam artist, and tax cheat like Al Sharpton ran for president, I never saw anything remotely close to this. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened like never before.

Why? Duke was never going to win. Sharpton was never going to win. Ron Paul was never going to win. Ross Perot was never going to win as a third-party candidate. Those candidates either didn’t have or couldn’t spare the billion dollars it takes to win the presidency. But Donald Trump can self-fund that amount tomorrow and still have another billion left over to pour into the last two-week stretch run before Election Day.

No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.

It’s no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. No, this is a coordinated conspiracy led by President Barack Obama himself. Obama himself is making the phone calls and giving the orders; he’s the ultimate intimidator who plays by the rules of Chicago thug politics.

Why is this so important to Obama? It’s because most of the other politicians are part of the “old boys club.” They talk big, but in the end they won’t change a thing. Why? They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations and multinational corporations like Big Pharma or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary with their Clinton Foundation donations.


These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there’s one man — and only one man — who isn’t beholden to anyone. There’s one man who doesn’t need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teachers union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the bar association to fund his campaign.


Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.

Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to defund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens? Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?

Well, first, I’d guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything.

Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. Trust me: The NSA, the SEC, the IRS and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They know everything.

Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called “racists.” So they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment.

Fourth, why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a “good boy,” you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.

But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides — but not Trump.


Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama’s birth certificate. He questioned Obama’s college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university.


Now, he’s doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He’s questioning our relationship with Mexico; questioning why the border is wide open; questioning why no wall has been built across the border; questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; questioning why so many illegal
aliens commit violent crimes yet are not deported; and questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.

Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question.

I’m certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion.

Trump will ask if Obamacare’s architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. He will ask if Obama himself committed fraud when he said, “If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it.”

Trump will investigate Obama’s widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama’s college records.

Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election.

How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?

Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop this. They recognize this could get out of control. If left unchecked telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant.

Trump’s election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at “the cooked books” and Obama’s records, the game is over. The gig is up. The goose is cooked.

Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money.

Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails, or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while secretary of state, or for “misplacing” $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi.

The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.

Obamacare will be defunded and dismantled. The Obama crime family will be prosecuted for crimes against the American people. And Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters.

Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved — just for fun. That will all happen on Trump’s first day in the White House. Who knows what Trump will do on Day 2? That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.

~ Wayne Allyn Root

It's not about who can lie better. It's about who voters can connect to. If you think about it Paul, you've vindicated everything I said. Because the Republicans have nominated candidates that that the swing voters cannot relate to, they elect a (insert your favorite adjectives).

BS.....who voters can connect to??? So what was so " connectable " about this SOB Anthony?? He lies better and I'm sorry if I vindicated everything you said but I didn't know " The Word " stopped with you. And WTF do " swing voters " even really mean? People who've no idea what's what and can be easily manipulated into voting for some suave lying SOB like the one we've been STUCK with for eight years now...because they pull **** like accusing Republicans of launching a " War on Women" and endless other BS charges...lies and deceit is what got them the office and help keep it.

Yes.....and he did so with NO Corruption....

He connected with a whole lot of people who NEVER voted in their life because they ( the candidates ) were the wrong skin color let's be honest about that. And they voted knowing Nothing of his policies and background. And he has continued to divide this country along racial lines ever since by using every federal office available to him to deceive and keep truths from being known. And the entire Congress and Senate for the most part have treated our first half Black President with Kid Gloves because of it.

Yep, and unless the Republicans nominate a candidate that can connect with those voters we will end up with another Democratic President.

The only colors I see are pink and green .

Dems circle the wagons and Ostracize those who dare go off the reservation.

In the words, (or word, in this case), of our resident legal eagle ,
rfenst . . .

" So ? "

Perhaps so.

Is the Donald a plant?
Yes, potato.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not I like your answers. Quite frankly the world would be a dull place to live if everyone agreed on everything. In fact, one can usually learn a lot from someone they don't always agree with. I just find it hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn't seem to comprehend written words.

As far as the personal attacks, I think if one reads this thread from beginning to end its very easy to see where the personal attacks originate.

As you say, perhaps we will meet up one day and can have this conversation without anything being lost in translation.