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QMPASH Offline
#51 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 7:08 AM EST
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I don't agree with everything that Tony is saying, but it is his right to say it. To ridicule his statements is loathsome and trying to make him look foolish is even worse. One of the best examples of a society where just about everyone was in agreement was Nazi Germany and we all know what that got them.
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#52 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 9:26 AM EST
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teddyballgame wrote:
I don't understand why some are so hell bent on big government. Throughout the history of man, the individual has been subjugated to those in power.
For thousands of years under kings, tyrants, dictators, czars, emperors.
Why are we trying to turn the ship back to tyranny? That is not progress.
The U.S. broke the mold. The Framers knew all about tyranny in its many forms.
They could have broke from the crown and ruled as all men before them had, but they did not.
As imperfect as they were, they set forth to limit the propensity of man or a handful of men to rule and gain power over others.

I'm for that America- not for the government, but for what the founding documents pointed to.

I'm for LIMITED government.

I'm for the Constitution and the limits it places on a powerful centralized government.

I am for the individual and liberty and freedom.

I'm for our brave soldiers in the military.

and I believe in love,
I believe in babies,
I believe in Mom and Dad

and yet you all in for the GOP and wish it was the ONLY party. prolly cuz they are a small party, huh?
teddyballgame Offline
#53 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 10:16 AM EST
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I have called out RINOS repeatedly. I can't stand the establishment republicans that sell out the citizens with the democrats in office.

I am a Constitutional conservative and only like conservative republicans.

For instance, I don't like the Bushies, Romney, Boehner, McConnel- all big government guys.

I am for taking the Republican Party back from the insides.

The Dem party is off the reservation completely and are like European Fabian socialists.
ZRX1200 Offline
#54 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 11:09 AM EST
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I just made a poopy.
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 12:09 PM EST
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I remember Fabian. Always thought he was from Philly.
banderl Offline
#56 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 12:17 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I remember Fabian. Always thought he was from Philly.



Blonde slicked back hair?

















Oh crap!
Sorry that I quoted you, Frank.
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 12:22 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Blonde slicked back hair?

















Oh crap!
Sorry that I quoted you, Frank.

dark hair. had a song "Hold That Tiger". I'll have to go find my LP for more info.
But don't quote me.
frankj1 Offline
#58 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 12:59 PM EST
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here ya go banderl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Forte
Brewha Offline
#59 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 1:00 PM EST
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So, when people say they are against "big government", does that include wanting a smaller military?
TMCTLT Offline
#60 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 1:07 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So, when people say they are against "big government", does that include wanting a smaller military?




Sure....and smaller ranks of leeches that spend a lifetime @ the trough too....





I like Charlies perspective on things under Barry and our Pussies in Congress....

From: Preserve Freedom,


Music Legend Writes Blistering Open Letter to Congress

USMC-18504One guy who has not wavered in his belief of America is Charlie Daniels.

In this open letter to Congress, Charlie hits all the high notes.

You’ll love what he says.

Here’s a bit of what he shares below.

You watch an impossible National Debt balloon completely out of control, knowing full well that a day of reckoning is coming that will seriously curtail the quality of life for coming generations.

You allow corrupt government agencies like the IRS to run over the very people you are sworn to protect and allow the entitlement society to expand exponentially. All the while, you are actually entertaining the idea of raising taxes on those who still work and shoulder the burden.

You compose a third of the constitutionally mandated ruling system,and you shirk your duty and allow this nation to move a little closer to the edge every day.

Your ratings are in the single digits; your morals are in the gutter; your minds are on self-preservation; and somewhere along the way, you’ve traded your honor for political expediency.

You’ve violated your oaths; you’ve betrayed your country; you’ve feathered your nests; and you’ve sat on your hands while an imperial president has rubbed your noses in the dirt time after time.

You’re no longer men. You’re puppets, caricatures, jokes, a gaggle of fading prostitutes for sale to anybody who can do you a political favor.
Brewha Offline
#61 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 1:28 PM EST
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Well, nobody likes leeches. Except maybe other leeches......

I get the general idea of "big govmut", but the devil is in the details. I guess going to a "small govmut" would mean:

Cut social programs - education, welfare, social security
Lower taxes (good luck with that)
Scale back the military.
Deregulate buisness - banks, food production, mining.
Scale back police forces and get rid of speed limits.
Get rid of a lot of laws that get in the way of freedom, like stopping people from buying dynamite or selling drugs.
banderl Offline
#62 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 3:31 PM EST
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I Googled him myself, I remember him but certainly would have never bought any of his music.
Brewha Offline
#63 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 3:45 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
I Googled him myself, I remember him but certainly would have never bought any of his music.

But I've spent a bunch on his brother Jack's product line....
banderl Offline
#64 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 4:06 PM EST
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Is Matt Forte a relative of his?
Brewha Offline
#65 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 4:09 PM EST
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Think
tonygraz Offline
#66 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 5:47 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
I Googled him myself, I remember him but certainly would have never bought any of his music.



Why did you google yourself - was it good ?
banderl Offline
#67 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 5:54 PM EST
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Watch it, I'll sic TBG on your ass.
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#68 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 6:59 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
The Canadian, Ted Cruz?


http://www.bustle.com/articles/89708-ted-cruz-grandpa-munster-are-twins-heres-9-times-they-looked-spookily-similar

He just creeps me out.
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#69 Posted: Sat, Oct 31 2015, 8:12 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
I Googled him myself, I remember him but certainly would have never bought any of his music.

I was 6 in 1959 and for some reason my family owned a copy of Hold That Tiger in High Fidelity...pre-stereo technology

I still have it. Fabian sucked, but he was dreamy. Ask TW.
Brewha Offline
#70 Posted: Sun, Nov 1 2015, 1:19 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Watch it, I'll sic TBG on your ass.

I double dog dare you.....
banderl Offline
#71 Posted: Sun, Nov 1 2015, 1:27 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
http://www.bustle.com/articles/89708-ted-cruz-grandpa-munster-are-twins-heres-9-times-they-looked-spookily-similar

He just creeps me out.



Me too.
twink Offline
#72 Posted: Sun, Nov 1 2015, 3:03 PM EST
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yep I see ya alls still uneducated
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted: Sun, Nov 1 2015, 5:16 PM EST
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That's "underedumacated" to youins....
tonygraz Offline
#74 Posted: Mon, Nov 2 2015, 10:02 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I just made a poopy.


Are you finally admitting that you are the Portland Pooper ?
TMCTLT Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 8:26 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Well, nobody likes leeches. Except maybe other leeches......

I get the general idea of "big govmut", but the devil is in the details. I guess going to a "small govmut" would mean:

Cut social programs - education, welfare, social security ( For those who've not paid a F*n dime into them....)
Lower taxes (good luck with that)
Scale back the military. (Already have under Barry)
Deregulate buisness - banks, food production, mining. ( thought they already had )
Scale back police forces and get rid of TEXTING
Get rid of a lot of laws that get in the way of freedom, like stopping people from buying dynamite or selling drugs.




You REALLY do live on another planet.....I'm always amazed that people like yourself who " clearly support themselves " like so many of the rest of us in this country....are also for "others" spending their ENTIRE LIVES on the social dole. We DO NOT need cuts in ANY of these areas....what WE NEED is a group of people running these programs who don't @ the drop of a hat ransack the accounts for spending elsewhere....OR think it's a good idea to give it away to those who for one reason or another....Don't Deserve It....PERIOD
tonygraz Offline
#76 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 8:41 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
group of people running these programs who don't @ the drop of a hat ransack the accounts for spending elsewhere....OR think it's a good idea to give it away to those who for one reason or another....Don't Deserve It....PERIOD


So who doesn't deserve these programs and why ?
TMCTLT Offline
#77 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 9:00 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
So who doesn't deserve these programs and why ?




If ONLY we could get those tasked with implementing these programs (give aways ) to ask the same questions....and actually follow up on themd'oh!

I have no problem with those who Truly Need It...getting help...TEMPORARILY
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#78 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 9:19 AM EST
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People in need deserve social welfare programs. The problem as I see it is that there are not enough social welfare programs that concentrate on training/educating people in need so they can stand on their own 2 feet. The way social welfare programs are presently set up is conceptually wrong. Just my opinion.
TMCTLT Offline
#79 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 9:37 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
People in need deserve social welfare programs. TEMPORARILY..... The problem as I see it is that there are not enough social welfare programs that concentrate on training/educating people in need so they can stand on their own 2 feet. The way social welfare programs are presently set up is conceptually wrong. Just my opinion.



The bigger problem IMO....is someone ( far too many ) are NOT doing their JOBs in raising and preparing THEIR children to go out into the world and CONTRIBUTE. Where the hell is HELP for those who've provided for their own all their lives but run onto hard times? Yet we seem to make room ( resources )for lifetime TAKERS
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#80 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 10:00 AM EST
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I would agree with temporarily.
Buckwheat Offline
#81 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 10:36 AM EST
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We should give them all "small" loans of $1 million to let them struggle to get a successful business into bankruptcy to get more government money to make it into one of the best and biggest companies in the US. Sarcasm
Speyside Offline
#82 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 10:41 AM EST
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^ sarcastic, but mostly true.
tonygraz Offline
#83 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 12:19 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I would agree with temporarily.


Not in all cases, tho. Some disabled military might fall into that category and what about the elderly poor ?
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#84 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 12:38 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Not in all cases, tho. Some disabled military might fall into that category and what about the elderly poor ?



Depends.
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#85 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 12:51 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Depends.

I see what you did there
TMCTLT Offline
#86 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 2:46 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Not in all cases, tho. Some disabled military might fall into that category and what about the elderly poor ?




Any rational individual would NEVER argue with these groups, but then you already knew who / what groups we're talking about. Those who NEVER have lifted a finger to help themselves!!!! And raising generation after generation of them...whites / blacks....guilt for this crosses ALL races and nationalities.
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#87 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 4:22 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Any rational individual would NEVER argue with these groups, but then you already knew who / what groups we're talking about. Those who NEVER have lifted a finger to help themselves!!!! And raising generation after generation of them...whites / blacks....guilt for this crosses ALL races and nationalities.



Agreed, give them a couple of years to get it together.
If they can't find a job by then, execute them.
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#88 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 4:29 PM EST
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Well, that or cut off the funds... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#89 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 4:43 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, that or cut off the funds... Mellow



People like Banderl think they're essentially the same....one's apparently as "cruel" as the other. I mean we just can't and shouldn't expect TOO much...Whistle
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#90 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 4:57 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
People like Banderl think they're essentially the same....one's apparently as "cruel" as the other. I mean we just can't and shouldn't expect TOO much...:-"



How do you know what I think?
I'm quite sure that I've never stated a position here concerning welfare recipients.
Cut off all of the blacks after 2 yrs and cutoff all of the hillbillies after 2 years.
While we're at it, let's cutoff all of the taker states (those states which receive more in Fed money than they pay in Fed taxes),
and make sure that each state receives equal funding (per capita) from the Feds.
Let's also take an axe to the Defense budget, you know, that group which spent $40,000,000 on a $500,000 CNG station in the middle of nowhere.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/02/pentagon-afghanistan-gas-station-boondoggle/75037032/
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#91 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 5:12 PM EST
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Can't believe Obama let that happen under his watch... Not talking Not talking
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#92 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 5:20 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Can't believe Obama let that happen under his watch... Not talking Not talking



He's got more impotent stuff @ hand...what with all the Social re-engineering and all....
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#93 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 8:15 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
How do you know what I think?
I'm quite sure that I've never stated a position here concerning welfare recipients.
Cut off all of the blacks after 2 yrs and cutoff all of the hillbillies after 2 years.
While we're at it, let's cutoff all of the taker states (those states which receive more in Fed money than they pay in Fed taxes),
and make sure that each state receives equal funding (per capita) from the Feds.
Let's also take an axe to the Defense budget, you know, that group which spent $40,000,000 on a $500,000 CNG station in the middle of nowhere.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/02/pentagon-afghanistan-gas-station-boondoggle/75037032/




Nothing to say, Paul?
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#94 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 8:38 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
How do you know what I think?
I'm quite sure that I've never stated a position here concerning welfare recipients.
Cut off all of the blacks after 2 yrs and cutoff all of the hillbillies after 2 years.
While we're at it, let's cutoff all of the taker states (those states which receive more in Fed money than they pay in Fed taxes),
and make sure that each state receives equal funding (per capita) from the Feds.
Let's also take an axe to the Defense budget, you know, that group which spent $40,000,000 on a $500,000 CNG station in the middle of nowhere.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/02/pentagon-afghanistan-gas-station-boondoggle/75037032/

Mikita, 2 minutes, slashing.
banderl Offline
#95 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 8:44 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Mikita, 2 minutes, slashing.




HaHaHaHa!
But I won the Lady Byng.



Sorry that I quoted you, Frank.
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#96 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 9:19 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
You REALLY do live on another planet.....I'm always amazed that people like yourself who " clearly support themselves " like so many of the rest of us in this country....are also for "others" spending their ENTIRE LIVES on the social dole. We DO NOT need cuts in ANY of these areas....what WE NEED is a group of people running these programs who don't @ the drop of a hat ransack the accounts for spending elsewhere....OR think it's a good idea to give it away to those who for one reason or another....Don't Deserve It....PERIOD

So, it is not about big guvmut vs. small guvmut then.

It is about people who wrongly take from the tax payer. And while the masters of the universe in that venue is big buisness, I do agree that we need tighter controls on welfare payouts.

But let's agree that the beef is about people stealing from govmut programs, not guvmut programs themselves.
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#97 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 9:40 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
HaHaHaHa!
But I won the Lady Byng.



Sorry that I quoted you, Frank.

but you did change your ways from the early wildman. I actually remember.
banderl Offline
#98 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 9:46 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
but you did change your ways from the early wildman. I actually remember.



Once again, sorry for quoting you.

Stanley was an absolute goon before his transformation.
Yet he did change his ways.
Something that some of our friends here should try to emulate.
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#99 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 10:05 PM EST
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"The Democrats are right... there are two Americas. The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don'ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don't. That’s the divide in America.

It’s not about income inequality, it’s about irresponsibility. It’s about a party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win votes. Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He said that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery. The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.

The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.

The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get." Democrats would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if democrats get their way.

They seek a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our incomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.

It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He has fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln ’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand."

- I would like to say that I was intelligent enough to articulate my thoughts as well as this, but I read it somewhere. I agree with it.
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#100 Posted: Tue, Nov 3 2015, 11:02 PM EST
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I think the Koch brothers hired somebody to write it.
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